Didn't Beat My Buddies Alero......(long)
01-07-2003, 12:37 PM
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Didn't Beat My Buddies Alero......(long)
... Saturday I met my friend at Best Buy to help him pick out a new reciever for his home setup - he fried his other one. Anyway he wanted me to come over and help him hook it up, so I followed.
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
01-07-2003, 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Maximam
Your TCS really didn't help. Other than that I guess you just got beat. As I always say, I don't race my Maxima much at all because it really is not that fast.
Your TCS really didn't help. Other than that I guess you just got beat. As I always say, I don't race my Maxima much at all because it really is not that fast.
The only fast Maxima's stock are 5spds. Mid 6's is pretty quick for a family sedan.
01-07-2003, 12:48 PM
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Re: Didn't Beat My Buddies Alero......(long)
"New" Alero: 170 hp / 200 lb-ft -vs- 2k1 Max...
Man, I'd have to think that you've got something holding you back. There obviously "torqey" engines, but damn... You have him by over 50 hp. Something's up! Maybe just the TC...
Man, I'd have to think that you've got something holding you back. There obviously "torqey" engines, but damn... You have him by over 50 hp. Something's up! Maybe just the TC...
01-07-2003, 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Craig Mack
There is no excuse for that. They have a weak 170HP Pushrod 3.4L V6, and weigh about 3200. Your car isn't the fastest, but it should have taken him easily. I believe they do 0-60 in like 8.2.
There is no excuse for that. They have a weak 170HP Pushrod 3.4L V6, and weigh about 3200. Your car isn't the fastest, but it should have taken him easily. I believe they do 0-60 in like 8.2.
01-07-2003, 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Ollie
I just got off the phone with my buddie and he says he has a 3.8l engine????
I just got off the phone with my buddie and he says he has a 3.8l engine????
Engine 2.2 liter
4-cylinder
DOHC (146 cu. in.) 3.4-liter V6
(207 cu. in.)
Availability Standard on GX and GL1 Standard on GLS and GL2 optional on GL1
Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG) Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG)
26 city, 33 hwy (manual transmission)
24 city, 33 hwy (automatic transmission) 20 city, 29 hwy
Horsepower@rpm 140@5600 170@4800
Torque@rpm 150@4000 200@4000
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual 4-speed automatic
01-07-2003, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Maximam
No he doesn't
Engine 2.2 liter
4-cylinder
DOHC (146 cu. in.) 3.4-liter V6
(207 cu. in.)
Availability Standard on GX and GL1 Standard on GLS and GL2 optional on GL1
Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG) Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG)
26 city, 33 hwy (manual transmission)
24 city, 33 hwy (automatic transmission) 20 city, 29 hwy
Horsepower@rpm 140@5600 170@4800
Torque@rpm 150@4000 200@4000
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual 4-speed automatic
No he doesn't
Engine 2.2 liter
4-cylinder
DOHC (146 cu. in.) 3.4-liter V6
(207 cu. in.)
Availability Standard on GX and GL1 Standard on GLS and GL2 optional on GL1
Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG) Fuel Economy (EPA Estimated MPG)
26 city, 33 hwy (manual transmission)
24 city, 33 hwy (automatic transmission) 20 city, 29 hwy
Horsepower@rpm 140@5600 170@4800
Torque@rpm 150@4000 200@4000
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual 4-speed automatic
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
01-07-2003, 02:01 PM
#16
Originally posted by Ollie
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
My moms Buick Regal(HEAVY car!) had that engine and it was a torque monster.
01-07-2003, 02:36 PM
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Also....
Originally posted by Ollie
....it was strong but I was there with him - I'll try again with the TCS off and give you the results.
....it was strong but I was there with him - I'll try again with the TCS off and give you the results.
01-07-2003, 05:15 PM
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Per edmunds in there 5speed vs. automatic comparo, they tested two Maxima's. The automatic Maxima hit 0-60 in 7.3seconds 
but it was manually shifted
You didn't manually shift. You couldn't have reeled him in and walked on him if you did. Putting the shifter into "1" or "2" according the the owners manual for 00 Maxima's will disable TCS preventing the three way cat to heat up and melt. It will only be activated in "D" or "R"
Anyways, not a big deal. They are low 16 second cars, right where a poorly launched, non manually shifted 2k-2k1 automatics, run
but it was manually shiftedYou didn't manually shift. You couldn't have reeled him in and walked on him if you did. Putting the shifter into "1" or "2" according the the owners manual for 00 Maxima's will disable TCS preventing the three way cat to heat up and melt. It will only be activated in "D" or "R"
Anyways, not a big deal. They are low 16 second cars, right where a poorly launched, non manually shifted 2k-2k1 automatics, run
01-07-2003, 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ollie
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
01-07-2003, 09:51 PM
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Re: Didn't Beat My Buddies Alero......(long)
Originally posted by Ollie
... Saturday I met my friend at Best Buy to help him pick out a new reciever for his home setup - he fried his other one. Anyway he wanted me to come over and help him hook it up, so I followed.
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
... Saturday I met my friend at Best Buy to help him pick out a new reciever for his home setup - he fried his other one. Anyway he wanted me to come over and help him hook it up, so I followed.
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
01-07-2003, 10:23 PM
#26
Originally posted by Ollie
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
Just called and he picked up the hood of his Alero and "BING" - 3800 Motor.
He told me the most common Aleros have the 3400 and the ones with the sunroofs and spoilers even have a 4 banger in them. His has no sunroof, no spoiler and 17's which he says is the model with the 3800.
The 3.8L V6 motor non-SC: 205hp @ 5200rmp and 230tq @ 4000rmp
SuperCharge version: 240hp @ 5200rmp and 280tq @ 3600rmp
The infos were from the Pontiac Bonneville which weighted about
3633-3716 lbs.
2001 Maxima SE: 222hp @ 6400rmp and 217tq @ 4000rmp (3199 lbs)
-The Alero weights about the same as the Maxima if not more. Seem to me that with your traction control on and crappy tires, he was able to get a jumped ahead of you. Plus the 3.8L motor has much more useable torque at lower rmp. I am not too surprised that his 3.8L V6 might be supercharged!
01-07-2003, 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by slickrick
it could be an intrigue.
it could be an intrigue.
They have a 3.5L not 3.8L. However, I guarantee the 3.5L is faster than ANY of the 3.8L except the SC version of course.
I also had an Intrigue rental for a week and boy for an auto that thing was a blast!
01-07-2003, 11:15 PM
#28
Has any1 considered that some Alero's come with a 4.0 v8 in them and those things pump out alot of torque for a small v8. if he has that motor in it, thats all the explination u need those thing got a good set of ***** on em.
01-07-2003, 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by HitManSE
Has any1 considered that some Alero's come with a 4.0 v8 in them and those things pump out alot of torque for a small v8. if he has that motor in it, thats all the explination u need those thing got a good set of ***** on em.
Has any1 considered that some Alero's come with a 4.0 v8 in them and those things pump out alot of torque for a small v8. if he has that motor in it, thats all the explination u need those thing got a good set of ***** on em.
Ohhhh yeah, what about the V10 Alero with 500+hp/550tq? It was shoe horned into the trunk and was rear wheel drive.
01-07-2003, 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by IceY2K1
Ohhhh yeah, what about the V10 Alero with 500+hp/550tq? It was shoe horned into the trunk and was rear wheel drive.
Ohhhh yeah, what about the V10 Alero with 500+hp/550tq? It was shoe horned into the trunk and was rear wheel drive.
btw did u get that body kit installed yet?
01-08-2003, 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by HitManSE
No Alex seriously some aleros do come with 4.0 v8 motor and they do have *****. btw did u get that body kit installed yet?
No Alex seriously some aleros do come with 4.0 v8 motor and they do have *****.
btw did u get that body kit installed yet?
The Intrigue, looks like an Alero, is bigger and had the 3.8 several years ago, but not anymore.
The AURORA has the V8 option NOT the Alero.
01-08-2003, 06:13 AM
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FWIW:
Intrigue when released (98 I think) was powered by the 3800 Series II V6 (90 degree) which was replaced in 2000 with the 3.5 DOHC (60 degree design from clean sheet of paper.... a better competitor for the Toy/Honda/Nis v6)and was standard on all levels of Intrigues in 2001.
Aurora 4.0 v8 is a 90 degree design based on the Caddy Norstar engine with small displacement. When the Aurora was redesigned in 2001 (?) the option was to offer a 3.5 v6 or 4.0 v8 version.
Biggest factory engine in the Alero was the 3.4 with auto only but you can (maybe not anymore) get the 2.4 with a 5 spd and the 2.4/auto is standard.
I test drove a new 1999 Intrigue in 99 with 50 miles on it.... turned off the TCS and floored it from a light
It rolled the tired about 30 feet and we were gone.
As for the 3800 in an Alero...... if so, can I take it for a spin?
Intrigue when released (98 I think) was powered by the 3800 Series II V6 (90 degree) which was replaced in 2000 with the 3.5 DOHC (60 degree design from clean sheet of paper.... a better competitor for the Toy/Honda/Nis v6)and was standard on all levels of Intrigues in 2001.
Aurora 4.0 v8 is a 90 degree design based on the Caddy Norstar engine with small displacement. When the Aurora was redesigned in 2001 (?) the option was to offer a 3.5 v6 or 4.0 v8 version.
Biggest factory engine in the Alero was the 3.4 with auto only but you can (maybe not anymore) get the 2.4 with a 5 spd and the 2.4/auto is standard.
I test drove a new 1999 Intrigue in 99 with 50 miles on it.... turned off the TCS and floored it from a light
It rolled the tired about 30 feet and we were gone. As for the 3800 in an Alero...... if so, can I take it for a spin?
01-08-2003, 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Ollie
I'm telling you guys - I called him yesterday as I was typing this post and he said it was a 3800 and even got out and looked under the hood. I hope he's not making me look like a @$$_ole.
I'm telling you guys - I called him yesterday as I was typing this post and he said it was a 3800 and even got out and looked under the hood. I hope he's not making me look like a @$$_ole.
01-08-2003, 07:45 AM
#38
Re: Didn't Beat My Buddies Alero......(long)
Originally posted by Ollie
... Saturday I met my friend at Best Buy to help him pick out a new reciever for his home setup - he fried his other one. Anyway he wanted me to come over and help him hook it up, so I followed.
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
... Saturday I met my friend at Best Buy to help him pick out a new reciever for his home setup - he fried his other one. Anyway he wanted me to come over and help him hook it up, so I followed.
As we're driving we came up to a stop light, and so I decide to take the other lane. I signaled him that we should see what are cars do against one-another - I was even a nose ahead.
The light turned green and I punched it - then my traction control kicked in and totally bogged the car down. Once it regained traction, it was still lagging in power - finally I got up to speed and he was already two lengths ahead of me.
We came up to another light and I was in front again because he slowed down and the light changed green while we were coasting. We both floored it and he came out ahead again. He was about 1 car length ahead of me and I was keeping up but I couldn't pass him.
What the hell happened? Is it my intake - my tires - my T.C.?
Take him again, TCS off and if your auto shift manually then come back to tell us the new story with the smile in your face.
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01-08-2003, 08:00 AM
#39
Originally posted by HitManSE
No Alex seriously some aleros do come with 4.0 v8 motor and they do have *****. btw did u get that body kit installed yet?
No Alex seriously some aleros do come with 4.0 v8 motor and they do have *****.
btw did u get that body kit installed yet?
Negative on the bodykit. I'm still trying to locate a shop that will install/paint it, but I may just have it painted and install it myself. I'm still trying to figure out the details.
ETA, 2004.