I picked up my girlfriend and we were on our way to dinner when i see a Trans Am WS-6. Being the rebel i am..i pull up and as im cruising at about 50 mph and i rev my car a bit....its 2 younger guys and they look at my car and laugh..at this point im kinda mad because i love my car!! So i rev it a few more times itching to get him to go he finally down shifts the Trans Am and i down shift(were at about 45mph) and of course he leaves before i do and hes only ahead the amount he left early on me...which was about a car and we went up to about 90 mph and he did not pull me at all...i pulled up next to him and he just looked at me with no facial expression at all...
I think he was a bit shocked....Maybe i taught him a little lesson not to laugh at A MAXIMA.

LeO

 

I bet next time he'll think twice before dropping it into 4th instead of third.

 

Prolly went from 6th to 5th. And still pulled him

 

Good run. Always good to show off the VQ power to the unsuspecting kids of the world who drive the big fast V8 cars that mommy and daddy bought them for graduating HS You were lucky, however, that he had no clue how to drive it. Anyway, good show of force brother!

 

Very true!! With a 0-60 of 5.0, a 1/4 mile of 13.5 and a trap of 107, with an experienced driver, it would be a different story.

 

the day I pulled down my 14.99 at the track (last Sunday) a WS6 was pulling low 14's and I think high 13's...Dave B...soon2Bmaxed do you remember what that beast was running?

had to be the driver though...

-vq

 

I've never made a run with one (WS6) at the track. I've run a stock '00 and '02 GT to high 13's (13.8 & 13.89, respectively) here at Commerce and Silver Dollar raceway in Georgia. I'd love to take the WS6 down the 1/4 at Silver Dollar. Much faster track than Commerce.

 

Holy assumptions Batman! Well, I used to drive a WS6 and it is a very fast car, but my 2k3 Max isn't that much slower. Surprisingly, the Max handles better because you don't get launched into another lane everytime you hit a bump. Also, it is 1000% more comfortable and reliable.

Why must everyone flame when one of the .Org beats a faster car??? Isn't the point of a race to test one drive against another? If all cars were perfectly driven there would be no point in racing at all. You could just compare spec sheets at the gas pump and call it a day.

 

what does your spec sheet say?

just playin...

good point about why we race...If I could drive, i might ave posted better than a 14.99....but it was at 1000ft, and 70 degrees out, with low barometric pressure.

But I don't think anyone is flaming though...just saying that if the driver was better, he'd have not had as much of a chance. Despite the Maxima being nearly as fast, it still isn't as fast...

-vq

 

Perhaps your comprehension of the English language isn't up to par. I did give him his credits, as he really gave the LS1 powered performance automobile a run for it's life. I was also pointing out the fact that he was a better driver than the kid in the WS6. It's not a flame, but rather a statement to the facts of the matter. He beat a superior car due to his skill. Comfort and reliability of the cars have no roles in this debate, so leave them out. And yes, your 2K3 max is that much slower stock vs. stock. I don't know of any 2002-2003 stock Max that runs the 1/4 in the mid to low 13's (depending on driver skill and conditions). You run maybe a second slower than that stock (maybe more). So next time, don't try and interpert what I post. Just read it as is.

 

Well, my English is just fine thank you. What I was referring to is this line:

"You were lucky, however, that he had no clue how to drive it."

Also, you are doing more assuming that the engine was an LS1, it could have been an LT4 as well (that has about 25 or so less horse power)

Forgive me for my interpretation, but this line along with this post seems to make you come off as a condescending *****. I will interpret what ever the f^uck I want. If you don't want it interpreted, don't post it on the Internet.

 

No offense, I owned owned a WS-6 , 6 speed. That guy must have not known how to downshift, because that car will suck you up and spit you out everyday of the week...

 

Here, here!!!

You pegged it. Like some posts around here that equate to something like "I spanked a toddler in a Viper"...yeah, all fine a good...but the bottom line is you spanked the untrained tike, not the vehicle.

 

It's an LT1, which is what I had. That would still DIK whip a Maxima.. The problem I had was putting the power down !

 

How many people around here are really claiming that their Max could beat a car with more horse power and more torque? I think that YOU are reading too much into this thinking that every post that claims they beat a faster car thinks that his car is faster with equal drivers. I don't think anyone would be that ignorant, if they are then I would agree with you.

My point is that it IS possible to beat someone in a race with a slower car by being a better driver (which I think everyone will agree with). What would you be happier about, having better driving skills than your opponent or having his daddy (Pontiac) be stronger than yours (Nissan)?

 

Well, that being the case, who cares WHAT the other driver was driving...why not an 'I walked a middle aged guy on I-10' instead of 'Max walks GS-430' original post??

Look at the freaking original post of this thread for instance:

"Surprising the AMERICAN cars"

No where does it indicate 'surprising American drivers' which is all the dude did.

 

I don't feel like starting a posting war on the guys kill topic (or near kill), but I'm just telling/informing you that my post is not a flame, regardless of how you "feel" about it. The originator of the post understood my meaning, as did everyone else here (except for you). I will apologize for being a slight *** towards you in my second post, but I was just a little annoyed at how something positive can be turned negative by someone else. So with that, I offer my apologies to you spta97. I still insist that you re-read my original post (and try to unbias yourself). Even with my assumptions, the Max would still lose, whether LT4 or LS1. There would be a slight difference in time, but not enough to matter. Being a former WS6 owner as you are, you should realize the performance difference (stock to stock).

 

Agreed on all counts

 

lets compare apples to apples here and race against an impala ss. that has 4 doors as compared to a trans am which has 2. its a sports car. ours is a family sedan. who cares if we get waxed by a sports car. i might as well go and try to race lambos to show them what 1/2 of their cylinders can do.

 

These Max vs ??? threads have become so predictable--the first two or so posts are praise, and then all hell breaks loose. We end up having a civil war of sorts. That being said, I think it's a good kill regardless of whether it was a good driver or not. As long as we acknowledge the fact that the WS6 would win with more or less equal drivers, I don't think it's a problem in praising the guy instead of telling him he won because the other guy had no clue how to drive. The guy felt good about his car, and some of just shot him down.

I think he should be commended for knowing how to drive his car, and being able to sneak up on more powerful cars because they had incompetent drivers. Lets give some credit where it's due, and minimize the arguments amongst each other!

 

OK, let's do that. Give credit where credit is due.

Credit for:

1. Driving well in excess of any posted speed
2. Street racing at all
3. Racing while having an innocent passenger on board
4. Being easily enticed into an illegal race due to feeling his car was dissed
5. Bragging about the whole event

Hmmmmm...quite a bit to be proud of, indeed.

 

you sound like a police officer. to serve and protect the members of maxima.org

 

It's pointless, and you guys are starting to ramble... No one is beating a WS6 unless it launches in 4th gear.

 

That wasn't my point. If we are to have a conversation AT ALL about a street race that occurred and debate whether his car is faster or not, then we should give credit to his driving skills.

I wasn't even referring to the argument about street racing, so I don't see why you brought this into a conversation. It just seems like every single thread like this (Max vs. X) turns into a debate about which car is faster, how the other guy couldn't drive, and then we get the lecture on street racing.

Why even bother posting these things in the first place then.

 

I beat a Viper one time.... It was really cool. I was on the highway, and I saw him next to me. I hit the O/D button and unleashed the power. It was kinda cool cuz I left him so far behind.






Oh yeah and he was on a flatbed with a flat tire.


Jus thought I would add to this thread.

 

man... this thread was so serious until you made your post. jeez...

 

You do make good points here. Some of us (including me) tend to mention the incompetent driver factor when these posts are added. But the reason I do this is because the first thought that comes into my head when I read this kind of post is; "What kind of idiot is driving that other car"? I know how I run in V8 RWD sports cars, and if I can pull down a 13.8 in a stang GT, and I can't beat an LS1 WS6, then...well, you know the rest. I really want to run an LS1 WS6 TA and see what it'll do. I might just have to go buy one if they are really that good a car. Don't get me wrong, I'll still drive my Max b/c it's a better car, but I'll race the TA from that point forward. You see where I'm coming from?

 

Haha. Well it's not our maxima brother's fault the WS6 guy:
1) Underestimated his car and didn't downshift to the proper gear
2) Laugh at our brother and then fail to back it up enough(ie.. only one carlength due to taking off ealier)

If all races didn't have the human element, then why do we even HAVE competitive drag racing? It would all be done on computers.

 

-vq

 

And has from the very first post.

 

I see where you and the rest of the guys are coming from. All I was trying to say is that I doubt the original poster was trying to say that his car is faster than the WS6. All he meant to say is that he was able to keep up with the WS6, and we all pretty much agreed that it was the WS6 driver's fault for that. But, I think we should give the guy credit for being able to keep and knowing how to drive--that's all!

It's just that all the posts that I've seen like this almost ALWAYS turn into a big debate about apples and oranges, and people start getting ****ed off--I don't see a point in this. Anyhow, I think everything is cool now!

 

6. He got away with it with no ticket / injuries

jjs, I know how much you hate these Max vs. xxx threads as your NUMORUS posts stating that support my conclusion. Why not just ignore them and not post at all on these threads? You've got every right to post where ever you want, but it seems that in the end you get all upset and "Read the Riot Act" to the offending speeder.

Let's face it; we ALL have gone over the speed limit at some time in our lives. If you have never, well then I commend you sir (and call you a liar )!

 

I just wanted to throw in my $.02 because I actually own an LS1 car.
My wife’s '03 Maxima is a quick car, but by no means is it a fast car. I like the Max because it is very comfortable and quiet. I like my SS because I can rip most people to shreds with it on the street (359-rwhp coupled with 4.10 gears), it handles like its on rails(stock 275mm tires at all four corners), gets decent gas mileage (31-hwy before the mods, 27-hwy now) and sounds like it is running on a methanol/testosterone blended fuel (Hotcam, longtube headers, exhaust dump).

1BaDMaXiMa never states whether the car he raced was a LT1 or an LS1 (there is about a 40-rwhp difference between the two) and he doesn't know if it was an automatic or a manual. I'm assuming it was a manual because the race was so close that the driver did not choose the optimum gear for a race. I wouldn't be surprised if the TA driver wasn't even racing, but just showing off a bit. After all, messing with a Maxima is not worth the gas or potential ticket to see who has the faster car (that being said they did go 90-mph so who knows).

Please note that all 1BaDMaXiMa did was to "surprise" the TA by not getting completely annihilated. I guess that is something to be proud of? I also want to point out that 1BaDMaXiMa instigated this race. The guys in the TA did nothing to provoke this and 1BaDMaXiMa should have just left well enough alone if he didn't want the two guys in the TA not to laugh at him. Like someone else said, they are two cars built for entirely different purposes. It is odd to compare them in performance, and apparently the TA guys thought the same thing when an economy sedan came up revving at them and trying to show off with his girlfriend in the car.

1BaDMaXiMa, do you have a fart pipe on your car or some kind of aftermarket exhaust tips or is it stock? I can see you have an over the pipe mod, but what about the tips?
I can't tell you how many ricers I have revving their fart pipes at me in traffic, but once traffic clears they either turn off or start going below the speed limit. Those guys I deal with are *****.
I love my SS, but I can't say enough good things about the new Max either. However, they are two different cars.

 

Absolutely!

Anyone with actual LS1 experience knows a properly driven LS1 will absolutely kill the Max (some really modded Maxes excluded).

I credit the suprise attack. I feel it was maybe a LT1 as they are not so hot up top as is the LS1. A 2k2+ 6speed Max and a stock mild LT1 is a good race. LS1 different story.

Friends in California are putting down high 12s@107+mph stock down to the paper filter in there LS1s.

 

Very well said!!!

 

Yes, we all have. However not anywhere from 20-35 miles per hour over (depending on postings in your area) and not while racing another vehicle.

I know I could just 'not read or post' to these inane threads, but the proliferation of them only adds to the legitimization of street races and contributes to the overall mentality that they are 'cool'. This only breeds acceptance and that leads to the event becoming a norm.

Just because (insert number here) people do a mindlessly stupid thing, does not make it any less mindless or stupid.

 

everything else I believe, but don't say "handles like its on rails" until you've driven an M3. Then, right after you drive the M3 HARD into the corners, try to do the same with your WS6...you'll see what I mean.

-vq

 

You're not kidding! Now perhaps they have made advancements in the handling since I had my WS6 in 1997, but even then it was NOTHING compared to an M3. M3's would do things during racing that would make me cringe. I lost to a couple of them because I couldn't keep up with the handling at all.

I drove an M3 and was like WTF??? I still don't get how they can make the handling so good without that much saccrifice in ride quality. The WS6 gave me head aches some times it would hit bumps so hard.

On a flat road it handled well, but as soon as I hit a bump in my WS6 I would fly all over the place. One time I actually jumped and landed in the lane next to me!!!!! That's why I say the Max handles better because it stays put no matter what the road condition (unfortnatly in NY the roads are not perfect and you tend to run across more than one bump).

 

Fbodies dominate T2 series which includes M3s.

 

VQMAN, I understand where you are coming from, but also realize that what I am referring to is diving into a single corner. My car stock, according to the magazines (I would like to give real numbers that I’ve personally done, but can’t since I don’t own a G-Tech or something of the like) pushes just as many lateral-g’s as a stock M3. Looking at it from strictly a “taking turns” perspective, my SS is on par with a new M3. Where the M3 shines (and my cars doesn’t) is in rapid successive lane changes like “left-right-left”. My car would only be around for the first “left”, and then it would probably fishtail into a ditch or something.
I am objective in my claims, so I will bring this up as well; on the street with my live rear axle and the M3 with IRS, the nod definitely goes to the M3 for handling. However, I’m not foolish enough to push my car’s lateral performance on a bumpy road, only on a smooth surface like an on- or off-ramp. My car also has subframe connectors, shock tower brace, and much better tires (stickier) over the stock F1’s that come on an SS. I would wager my car pulls around .92 to .93 on a skidpad. That is “handling on rails to me”. Now I don’t have those mods listed in my signature because this is a Maxima board and I don’t want to look like a Troll, so I keep it short. Also, I believe from the factory the M3's come with a more "race-like" alignment. So maybe if I dial in a couple of degrees of negative camber like the M's have, it would really help the handling of my car.
Our ’03 Maixma will stay stock, because while I enjoy its performance, that is not the main reason why I bought the car (comfort, quality, aesthetics).