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Also where do you guys go to get your GR-2s

Blu

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check the GD forum

kwd2kSE

Very good combination. Have mine for about six months now. Not sorry for the choice. But remember, suspension mods are a matter of personal preference.

Mike

t56gen3

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Eibachs tend to be an uneven drop on these cars front to rear. It sux cause I have always used Eibach in the past and have had great luck with them. If you want an even drop go with something else. It's slightly deceiving because the fender lip in the rear makes it appear to be lower in the rear stock--only you don't notice it so much at the stock height. It becomes more appearant when lowered. I would try to find something with a larger drop in the front vs rear by at least a .25" to combat the factory uneveness. I suggest Maxspeeds for less drop for ~$120 shipped, or my buddy has a slightly used set of Sprints (~1.8" drop) for sale in the F/S forum for $115 shipped if you want to go lower. GR2s will be great with most springs.

Blu

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Well maxspeeds are still uneven as well as the sprints if they do infact give a 1.8 drop all around. It shows in your sig that you have H&R's but you went against Eibach because of an uneven drop. H&R's have the worst drop as far as uneven goes. Progress and Tein are the two closest springs to an even drop available unless you go the coilover route.

t56gen3

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Dunno about Tein and Progress being even or not, but Maxspeeds are 1.7 front and 1.4 rear, so the car sits pretty much even, and can still carry rear passengers and not be on the bump stops. And sorry, Eibachs are more uneven then H&Rs. Get some measurements and look at pics before you make that statement.

NT2SHBBY

spoken like a true hick!!! my maxspeed drop is VERY even!!!

t56gen3

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SEE! Even the yank has my back!

Blu

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I know and have pics etc. I have H&R and stock struts and SR20DEN has Eibach and stock struts and his sits more even than mine. Shall I get him to post to let you wise guys know. ALso if you would measure yourself you would know those 1.7 and 1.4 for the maxspeeds are BS. I dont know what the statement about the bumpstops is for but if you trim them like your supposed to with tein and eibach you dont have that problem. I have my facts straight so gets yours straight.

Matt

Blu

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Word life for ever Ya Heard Dawg!!!!

SR20DEN

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I have not really kept up with this but Blu has checked our cars at least a dozen times when we both had the same tires. So if he claims his H&R's are more uneven than my Eibachs I certainly wouldn't try to dispute it.

NT2SHBBY

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........no!!!

good try tho DAWG!!

I can tell the dreads of the Bronx and BK would LOVE you in their hood...hahaha

Blu

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BTW Teins and GR2's and kyb bumpstops are waiting to be installed so no more 4x4 look for me.

t56gen3

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Okay, if you want to get that technical--none of em drop as much as they say they do. I have before and after measurements of mine stock vs H&R, and my buddys stock vs Maxspeed. I have seen more than one thread with VERY uneven measurements of Eibachs. Will those Eibach folks post their before's and after's? Also, the autos are heavier in the front and will sit slightly lower.

Blu

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fo shizzle my nizzle fo eva homie

ghostrider17

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My TEINS are NOT on my car YET, but I have been studying this topic EXTENSIVELY the past few months in order to make my upgrade.

Here's what I "think" I know:

Judging from the posts and pics -- The TEINS are the MOST EVEN drop, and probably the most dramatic (2.25 front / 1.75 Rear ~ i think!)
Although TEIN claims these are not an aggressive performance spring and are meant to emulate the STOCK RIDE with a lower drop.

Maxspeeds are cheaper, "slightly" higher in the front and a little more tightly wound = firmer ride.
H&R's are purportedly of the same manufacturing origin, and differ only in co$t.

From what I gather, the Eibachs, H&R's, & Sprint's are all a bit more FIRM in the handling dept., but are also not as EVEN in drop measurements once settled.

Again -- you have to ask yourself: is the RIDE more important, or is the DROP more important??

Make your selection now.....

OEM fit for shocks/struts is simple: TOKICO blues or KYB GR-2's

good luck!

gr

Blu

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Asu174 has proven that the progress give an perfect equal drop of 26" from ground up front and rear. I have H&R now soon to be tein and they lower the rear more than the front as well as the eibach's. Teins drop is just awesome and the ride is still nice if the bump stops are trimmed etc. If you have a good eye you will be able to tell the eibachs sit a little lower in the front than the h&r approx. 1/8-1/4" lower

Blu

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I forgot to mention I have owned maxspeeds, H&R, progress, and now teins so Im pretty knowledgable when it comes to suspension.

t56gen3

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Sorry, my eyes aren't that good. If you want to challenge my comments, then by all means feel free. You pic shows little other than two nice Max's. You don't have to agree with me, but I have the measurements to back up my mouth on the Maxspeeds and H&Rs. I will be happy to post them when I get home this evening if need be.

naerok

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How firm are the GR-2? I do want a firmer rider ride than stock, but not too firm where i feel a pebble on the road.. BTW it will the maxspeed/gr2 combo..

Also, how much more of a difference will the rsb/fstb make? Will you think it's worth getting after the max/gr2's?

NT2SHBBY

the maxspeed/gr2 combo is excellent!!! you won't be disappointed...

Blu

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I thought we where talking about Eibach and H&R . The reason Maxspeeds are more even is because the drop less in the rear than the H&R's...

t56gen3

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Yes, and yes. If search worked I could find the couple of threads I was reading before I bought springs and based my descision on. The rear drop on an Eibach car was like .25 - .5" more than the front. Eibach owners please post measurements, preferably the measurements after the springs have settled.

MaximaMan77

This is the route I'm planning also. I'm not after drop or looks, I just want to get rid of the floaty rear end so I can feel safe hitting bupms in turns...

Blu

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But the h&r's are the same...I dont have measurements handy but I cna tell you rear eibach and h&r have a 2 finger gap and eibach has tight 3 finger gap and h&r had loose 3 finger with over 1/8" to spare. I know this is the ghetto way to describe it but its the facts I have without the measurements in front of me.

kwd2kSE

Eibach's have been on the car now six months. Wheel gap is the same now and the day they were installed. Front drop is 1.75", rear drop is 1.0", measured directly above the center of the tire. The drop is NOT perfectly even. The gap that remains is about 1.25" in the front, and about .5" in the back. Both pics below are with the same wheels and tires.

Before


Sig is after.

naerok

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Seems pretty even..good drop!

t56gen3

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Nice car Kwd! It does sit a tad lower in the rear. I am wondering if they engineered those springs for an auto. I refer to "even drop" by looking at the rocker panels under the doors and comparing front to rear.

The H&Rs seem pretty much even. This is mine with the H&Rs:

MaximaMan77

Blu what exactly are you after, with all the different sets you've got...
What don't you like about the sets you've switched from as far as ride quality.
Personaly, and I mean personaly I'm not ripping anyone on their ride here, I don't like the look of the rears in the wheel well where the fender drops below the top of the tire or very close to it.
I'm not after a harsh ride but firmer and safer than stock. Is the MS/GR2 combo a good choice? Any pointers?
Thanks

t56gen3

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I'd say go with the MS/GR2 as you mentioned. Ride will be more firm than stock, and much more controlled, but not abusive.

Blu

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For the price you can't beat the maxspeeds. I had them but was worried about the companies rep b/c it was a lonnnnnnnnnnng time ago. Now they have proven themselves and I would trust them. I would not go with h&r's because of the uneven drop which I currently have. The eibachs are the same but drop a little more in the front but still being uneven. I myself want a low look so thats why I opted for the teins and gr2 combo. For what your wanting I would say maxspeeds would be the best value and best ride. BTW I sold the maxspeeds back in early 02 before they got really popular and bought h&r's. Now im switching to teins for good hopefully.

t56gen3

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Got pics?? I wanna see your uneven drop. Mine's even with H&Rs. Not very low, but even. Low enough to get rid of the 4X4 for sure though.

Blu

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So your gap is the same exact in the front as the rear from the top of the tire to the bottom of the fender?

MaximaMan77

Thanks for the info guys. It helps to have your decision reconfirmed.
I'll stick with the 2" gap "4x4" look I never know where I'll end up in N.GA

t56gen3

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No--the front and rear fenders are not at the same height on the body--it's deceiving. The rocker panel is the true body height. You can counter the fender-tire gap by making the car uneven with a rake f/r, but you are really making the car more uneven, though it's not as noticable by the fender lips. It's really more a preference thing.

Blu

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Well thats the thing I can't stand is the front gap b/t the fender and the tire being more front to rear. Im sure its even from the top of fender to the pavement but what I dont like is having a 3 finger gap in the front and 2 finger gap in the rear. It gives it a saggy rear look which I personally can't stand...

MaximaMan77

Yup it look like you've got a trunk load of $hit or a lard a$$ in the back seat.

t56gen3

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I agree that the fender lip gap being the same and the rocker having a rake looks good. Not to mention that with peeps in the back seat it actually levels the rockers (body) and doesn't look saggy. But the point is that Eibachs are slightly lower the back (rocker, or body) than in the front in every pic I've seen. The H&Rs don't do that, the actual body sits level---though it sags when loaded in the rear. I have a sub and box in the back of my car that lowers it a tad too.

What you refer to as "level" is actually uneven--higher in the rear. Not trying to jump down your throat or anything, just making a point.

Blu

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Ok point was made but I as well as others would rather have the same distance from the middle of the fender to the top or the tire making the car look level even though it has the slight crouching forward position. When I say saggy I mean less gap from the fender to the top of the tire which I think looks hidous and if people are in the back seat it makes it even worse. I agree Eibachs might sit a little lower in the rear but there also a little lower in the front. I have a loose 3 finger gap in the front and a tight 2 finger gap in the rear. Thats what I consider the saggy look well in my eyes anyway. The car might be sitting level but the way the gap looks make it look saggy. Just my opinion though

MaximaMan77

I have wondered why peeps that do the 1/4mi don't raise the back a little with super stiff springs an shocks. This would limit the amount of sway at launch and shifts while helping to force the fronts to the pavement.
Since Jim's isn't a daily driver he at least should try this. He may be able to launch at a higher RPM and get closer to a 12 flat with no more juice.