Watch out for Ford Harley Edition Pickups... They'll win :)
06-19-2003, 06:24 PM
#1
Just had a 0-75 run with a brand new Harley edition Ford F-150... I talked with the guy for a few after the race (which he won and told me after that he wasnt really pushin it) how its go the lighting superchared engine.... friggin fast truck! nice guy and all, i was pretty sure i was gonna lose before i raced him, but hey its all good. he just slowly pulled the whole time. definatly like those trucks, i'd get me one if i could afford a 2nd car
06-19-2003, 07:34 PM
#7
ya i've been lookin up the stats and runnin cartest on it, and it only is low to mid 6's for a 0-60 run, and right about 15 flat for the 1/4. too bad i didn't know that an hour ago when the dude told me that it was a 12 second truck... i was like oh ok thats nice.... 12 seconds is like viper territory. he was tryin for the race then, so he lied! 
ah whatever, it was fun, he was all smiles, so was i. i'll get a mod or 2 and find him again, see if i can stay dead even
ah whatever, it was fun, he was all smiles, so was i. i'll get a mod or 2 and find him again, see if i can stay dead even
06-19-2003, 07:54 PM
#8
Originally posted by bigdo26
ya i've been lookin up the stats and runnin cartest on it, and it only is low to mid 6's for a 0-60 run, and right about 15 flat for the 1/4. too bad i didn't know that an hour ago when the dude told me that it was a 12 second truck... i was like oh ok thats nice.... 12 seconds is like viper territory. he was tryin for the race then, so he lied! ah whatever, it was fun, he was all smiles, so was i. i'll get a mod or 2 and find him again, see if i can stay dead even
ya i've been lookin up the stats and runnin cartest on it, and it only is low to mid 6's for a 0-60 run, and right about 15 flat for the 1/4. too bad i didn't know that an hour ago when the dude told me that it was a 12 second truck... i was like oh ok thats nice.... 12 seconds is like viper territory. he was tryin for the race then, so he lied!
ah whatever, it was fun, he was all smiles, so was i. i'll get a mod or 2 and find him again, see if i can stay dead even
06-19-2003, 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by slickrick
they are slower than a lightning with less hp. he lied when he said he was hardly pushing it. ive been wanting to race one myself from a roll. i think a 6 speed can take one properly driven.
they are slower than a lightning with less hp. he lied when he said he was hardly pushing it. ive been wanting to race one myself from a roll. i think a 6 speed can take one properly driven.
06-19-2003, 10:33 PM
#10
well had a lightning before the maxima and all i got to say maximas have no chance at all also the max has no chance vs Harley Edition because they are supercharged like the lightning. the harley is the same engine as the lightnings but detuned. so u can get those trucks in the 11 or 12 pretty easily. the lightning was a truck that could get into 11-10 with bolt all the bolt ons. just check out my website u can see my lightning dang i miss all that power but max is just built better.
06-19-2003, 10:52 PM
#11
The max has no chance against the Lightning or the HD. I was lined up against one at the Carlsbad race track in the 1/4 mile and it KILLED me. There where a group of them. If I remember correctly they where running 13's. Some where stock to.
Sometimes I wish I had one to krmaxima. A perfect second car.
Sometimes I wish I had one to krmaxima. A perfect second car.
06-19-2003, 11:02 PM
#12
Originally posted by slickrick
they are slower than a lightning with less hp. he lied when he said he was hardly pushing it. ive been wanting to race one myself from a roll. i think a 6 speed can take one properly driven.
they are slower than a lightning with less hp. he lied when he said he was hardly pushing it. ive been wanting to race one myself from a roll. i think a 6 speed can take one properly driven.
06-19-2003, 11:02 PM
#13
wait in the straight away, they will beat the max, but if we added some curves.... hmm... i heard those Fords roll over like an obedient dog..., my friend has a f-150 and he scared to mess around on the curves...
06-19-2003, 11:14 PM
#15
and when i had the truck it turned fine i was able to drift like a mother. but there was a lot of fish tailing hahaha. if u get the four basic mods in that truck which is a chip, pully intake and exhaust, you can prob run 12's but on slicks.
06-20-2003, 12:54 AM
#17
stock lightenings are "fast" but not that "fast".
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
For Instance our Durango, 1998 5.2l 4x4. 318ci with a 46RE transmission, NP231 Transfer Case, and 9 3/4" rear end with stock 3.92:1 gears and softlocker. I am decking the block .040" along with a Mopar Performance Camshaft ($250), Crane 1.7" rollers ($350), port matched heads (home), port matched stock intake manifold with modified runners (home), bored out throttle body w/taper (home). I might opt for 1.92/1.6" valves or may just leave them stock. I will most likely swap cranks for a 360ci crank for the extra stroke, but retain the stock bore (plus 107,000miles w/perfect taper). Oh, Mopar Performance PCM and PPH Headers/Y-pipe. I'll I go with the full meal deal (ie. valves/crank) I will have atleast 525hp and 675ft lbs, but I will have to run 93 octane instead of my Arco 87 that it loves. Hot damn I love those combustion chambers.
lol, lesson of the day:
Nissan = love all their products
Dodge = love their trucks.
Ford Mod Motor = ****ty unless boosted, which doesnt perform as well as it should. Has major coil problems, and valve train design is less than steller.
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
For Instance our Durango, 1998 5.2l 4x4. 318ci with a 46RE transmission, NP231 Transfer Case, and 9 3/4" rear end with stock 3.92:1 gears and softlocker. I am decking the block .040" along with a Mopar Performance Camshaft ($250), Crane 1.7" rollers ($350), port matched heads (home), port matched stock intake manifold with modified runners (home), bored out throttle body w/taper (home). I might opt for 1.92/1.6" valves or may just leave them stock. I will most likely swap cranks for a 360ci crank for the extra stroke, but retain the stock bore (plus 107,000miles w/perfect taper). Oh, Mopar Performance PCM and PPH Headers/Y-pipe. I'll I go with the full meal deal (ie. valves/crank) I will have atleast 525hp and 675ft lbs, but I will have to run 93 octane instead of my Arco 87 that it loves. Hot damn I love those combustion chambers.
lol, lesson of the day:
Nissan = love all their products
Dodge = love their trucks.
Ford Mod Motor = ****ty unless boosted, which doesnt perform as well as it should. Has major coil problems, and valve train design is less than steller.
06-20-2003, 01:02 AM
#18
Originally posted by bigdo26
ya i think 340/425lbs might have a small advantage over the maxima thats fine tho, dont hafta win all the time
ya i think 340/425lbs might have a small advantage over the maxima
thats fine tho, dont hafta win all the time
06-20-2003, 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by bigdo26
ya i think 340/425lbs might have a small advantage over the maxima thats fine tho, dont hafta win all the time
ya i think 340/425lbs might have a small advantage over the maxima
thats fine tho, dont hafta win all the time
F150 HD is 4644 lbs for 13.6 lbs per HP
Maxima is 3248 lbs for 12.7 lbs per HP
And if you have a six speed, the torque difference is really not an issue because you can launch and shift at whatever rev-range you want to. I don't get all these people saying the Maxima's advantage is from a roll because it's power is at the top end. If you're cruising at 50, is your engine anywhere near its top end?! Not unless you drive at 50 in second gear. But then, that's the whole point of a manual transmission--you can put the engine in its power band no matter WHAT speed the car is moving. Even if it's not moving at all.
06-20-2003, 07:12 AM
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uhh...they are fast but im pretty sure that a 6speed stock will beat one....
I race my friend who has a 2003 with the gay flame shickers on the side editions w/supercharger. and i took it with a stock G35 i had a bout a car and a half up to 60-70mph. those trucks get poor launches with little traction.
I race my friend who has a 2003 with the gay flame shickers on the side editions w/supercharger. and i took it with a stock G35 i had a bout a car and a half up to 60-70mph. those trucks get poor launches with little traction.
06-20-2003, 07:15 AM
#22
Originally posted by tbirdrob
But the truck is much heavier, so the power to weight ratio is actually in favor of the Maxima.
F150 HD is 4644 lbs for 13.6 lbs per HP
Maxima is 3248 lbs for 12.7 lbs per HP
And if you have a six speed, the torque difference is really not an issue because you can launch and shift at whatever rev-range you want to. I don't get all these people saying the Maxima's advantage is from a roll because it's power is at the top end. If you're cruising at 50, is your engine anywhere near its top end?! Not unless you drive at 50 in second gear. But then, that's the whole point of a manual transmission--you can put the engine in its power band no matter WHAT speed the car is moving. Even if it's not moving at all.
But the truck is much heavier, so the power to weight ratio is actually in favor of the Maxima.
F150 HD is 4644 lbs for 13.6 lbs per HP
Maxima is 3248 lbs for 12.7 lbs per HP
And if you have a six speed, the torque difference is really not an issue because you can launch and shift at whatever rev-range you want to. I don't get all these people saying the Maxima's advantage is from a roll because it's power is at the top end. If you're cruising at 50, is your engine anywhere near its top end?! Not unless you drive at 50 in second gear. But then, that's the whole point of a manual transmission--you can put the engine in its power band no matter WHAT speed the car is moving. Even if it's not moving at all.
06-20-2003, 07:24 AM
#23
Originally posted by MrGone
stock lightenings are "fast" but not that "fast".
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
For Instance our Durango, 1998 5.2l 4x4. 318ci with a 46RE transmission, NP231 Transfer Case, and 9 3/4" rear end with stock 3.92:1 gears and softlocker. I am decking the block .040" along with a Mopar Performance Camshaft ($250), Crane 1.7" rollers ($350), port matched heads (home), port matched stock intake manifold with modified runners (home), bored out throttle body w/taper (home). I might opt for 1.92/1.6" valves or may just leave them stock. I will most likely swap cranks for a 360ci crank for the extra stroke, but retain the stock bore (plus 107,000miles w/perfect taper). Oh, Mopar Performance PCM and PPH Headers/Y-pipe. I'll I go with the full meal deal (ie. valves/crank) I will have atleast 525hp and 675ft lbs, but I will have to run 93 octane instead of my Arco 87 that it loves. Hot damn I love those combustion chambers.
lol, lesson of the day:
Nissan = love all their products
Dodge = love their trucks.
Ford Mod Motor = ****ty unless boosted, which doesnt perform as well as it should. Has major coil problems, and valve train design is less than steller.
stock lightenings are "fast" but not that "fast".
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
For Instance our Durango, 1998 5.2l 4x4. 318ci with a 46RE transmission, NP231 Transfer Case, and 9 3/4" rear end with stock 3.92:1 gears and softlocker. I am decking the block .040" along with a Mopar Performance Camshaft ($250), Crane 1.7" rollers ($350), port matched heads (home), port matched stock intake manifold with modified runners (home), bored out throttle body w/taper (home). I might opt for 1.92/1.6" valves or may just leave them stock. I will most likely swap cranks for a 360ci crank for the extra stroke, but retain the stock bore (plus 107,000miles w/perfect taper). Oh, Mopar Performance PCM and PPH Headers/Y-pipe. I'll I go with the full meal deal (ie. valves/crank) I will have atleast 525hp and 675ft lbs, but I will have to run 93 octane instead of my Arco 87 that it loves. Hot damn I love those combustion chambers.
lol, lesson of the day:
Nissan = love all their products
Dodge = love their trucks.
Ford Mod Motor = ****ty unless boosted, which doesnt perform as well as it should. Has major coil problems, and valve train design is less than steller.
EDIT- With the mods you're talking about, you'll make peak HP in the 6000 RPM range (which isn't that great for that block) and it'll be about 430-440 HP tops. Torque will be about 250 ft-lbs short of what you're thinking (peak of 420-430 at 4500 RPM). Oh yeah, I took the liberty of adding in a high performance street cam into the mix to even get it that high. Get real...
06-20-2003, 07:30 AM
#24
Originally posted by Jer
Just remember! It's a FORD! None of the coil-maf busting reliability of a Maxima - they will probably surface in 2-3 years with disintegrating block/transmission problems
Just remember! It's a FORD! None of the coil-maf busting reliability of a Maxima - they will probably surface in 2-3 years with disintegrating block/transmission problems
Actually the Mod motors have a coil recall on them. I know because a friend of mine has an Expidition (I have to give him crap about it
). You are correct however, about the whole Ford thing. My mustang with 49,000 miles has far more cylinder taper than the VE with 165,000 and our Durango with 107,000.
06-20-2003, 07:49 AM
#25
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Anskyruben-I work about 2 miles from Carlsbad raceway. Haven't been there yet with my Maxima. Don't know if I ever will either but I've watched some of the cars run there from the parking lot up on the hill just north of the track. Some pretty cool cars run there. I think some of the car mags test cars there also.
06-20-2003, 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
Uhh dude, you won't even touch those numbers with the mods you have listed (unless you left off the NX shot or S/C). I'm one of the Chrysler 4.7L pioneers in mods, and have had plenty of buildups with 318/340/360's, and your math doesn't jive at all. Maybe if you did the 360 swap and did the 406/408 CID upgrade package you would have those numbers, but not out of that 343-344 CID engine you're talking about. What cam are you going to use? And stock valves? What are you, nuts? They wouldn't get you to those numbers by a long shot...
EDIT- With the mods you're talking about, you'll make peak HP in the 6000 RPM range (which isn't that great for that block) and it'll be about 430-440 HP tops. Torque will be about 250 ft-lbs short of what you're thinking (peak of 420-430 at 4500 RPM). Oh yeah, I took the liberty of adding in a high performance street cam into the mix to even get it that high. Get real...
Uhh dude, you won't even touch those numbers with the mods you have listed (unless you left off the NX shot or S/C). I'm one of the Chrysler 4.7L pioneers in mods, and have had plenty of buildups with 318/340/360's, and your math doesn't jive at all. Maybe if you did the 360 swap and did the 406/408 CID upgrade package you would have those numbers, but not out of that 343-344 CID engine you're talking about. What cam are you going to use? And stock valves? What are you, nuts? They wouldn't get you to those numbers by a long shot...
EDIT- With the mods you're talking about, you'll make peak HP in the 6000 RPM range (which isn't that great for that block) and it'll be about 430-440 HP tops. Torque will be about 250 ft-lbs short of what you're thinking (peak of 420-430 at 4500 RPM). Oh yeah, I took the liberty of adding in a high performance street cam into the mix to even get it that high. Get real...
http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html
06-20-2003, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by bigdo26
Just had a 0-75 run with a brand new Harley edition Ford F-150... I talked with the guy for a few after the race (which he won and told me after that he wasnt really pushin it) how its go the lighting superchared engine.... friggin fast truck! nice guy and all, i was pretty sure i was gonna lose before i raced him, but hey its all good. he just slowly pulled the whole time. definatly like those trucks, i'd get me one if i could afford a 2nd car
Just had a 0-75 run with a brand new Harley edition Ford F-150... I talked with the guy for a few after the race (which he won and told me after that he wasnt really pushin it) how its go the lighting superchared engine.... friggin fast truck! nice guy and all, i was pretty sure i was gonna lose before i raced him, but hey its all good. he just slowly pulled the whole time. definatly like those trucks, i'd get me one if i could afford a 2nd car
I'll bet your altitude didn't help your non-forced inducted car.
06-20-2003, 11:48 AM
#29
Originally posted by jjs
No kidding! I mean look at the motor sizes that approach those numbers...
http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html
No kidding! I mean look at the motor sizes that approach those numbers...
http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html
Too bad they don't have stuff for us 4.7L gurus...
06-20-2003, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
I know those guys! They're from Gainesville, GA...got some good stuff Too bad they don't have stuff for us 4.7L gurus...
I know those guys! They're from Gainesville, GA...got some good stuff
Too bad they don't have stuff for us 4.7L gurus...
06-20-2003, 01:33 PM
#31
I also am a Mopar fan. My cousin has an '01 R/T (5.9 of course) reg. cab Dakota and it runs really well. He has Borla exhaust, K&N intake and Bosh plugs and wires. We went down to the track last summer and he ran a 14.6 on his second run. Nice trucks, and alot more cost efficient than the Lightning.
06-20-2003, 02:25 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MrGone
[B]stock lightenings are "fast" but not that "fast".
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
I agree with you there potna, I tried (in vain I might add) to run up on one of those about a month ago and he ate my lunch for me and threw it back up into my face. That thing has gobs of torque and it just pulled and pulled.
[B]stock lightenings are "fast" but not that "fast".
Dakota RT's have much much more potiential, hell any SB Mopar has alot more potiential. The combustion chamber design is Bar none, and provides unbelievable potiential for modification that wont cost you an arm an a leg.
I agree with you there potna, I tried (in vain I might add) to run up on one of those about a month ago and he ate my lunch for me and threw it back up into my face. That thing has gobs of torque and it just pulled and pulled.
06-20-2003, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by maximamaybe
I raced a Ford HD after owning the Maxima for around 4 months. I was still pretty new at driving a 6 speed. I wheel hopped very abd and he just kept pulling. I wanna try again.
I raced a Ford HD after owning the Maxima for around 4 months. I was still pretty new at driving a 6 speed. I wheel hopped very abd and he just kept pulling. I wanna try again.
I had no problem beating one from a dig of course. It must be a drivers race!
06-20-2003, 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by maximamaybe
Are you sure it was the supercharged one? The HDs were not supercharged until 2002 I think. Those are quick. The older ones were more show than go.
Are you sure it was the supercharged one? The HDs were not supercharged until 2002 I think. Those are quick. The older ones were more show than go.
No BS here
I also did a roll with him around 10mph and he wasted me like crazy i gave up around 30mph
400+lbs of torque VS. my around 260 lbs of torque....guess whos gonna win.... But on even playin field they are suppost to run the same! its a drivers race!
06-20-2003, 04:30 PM
#38
Originally posted by kloogy
Be carefull. First of all , they are easy to mod. Like GTP's, a simple pulley swap can give you 40+hp. I got spanked by 3-4 cars by one. It wasnt stock obviously. You might be surprised by what a Ford on Dubs can do to you !
Be carefull. First of all , they are easy to mod. Like GTP's, a simple pulley swap can give you 40+hp. I got spanked by 3-4 cars by one. It wasnt stock obviously. You might be surprised by what a Ford on Dubs can do to you !
06-21-2003, 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by F23A4
I'll take my chances against the F150HD on the highway where I can introduce them to the concept of topend and drag coefficient.
Peace.
I'll take my chances against the F150HD on the highway where I can introduce them to the concept of topend and drag coefficient.
Peace.
06-21-2003, 08:25 AM
#40
Originally posted by maxgsxr1
lightnings do 146 mph full out.all stock.my buddy raced one on the hw and got owned really bad.85 mph on ....
lightnings do 146 mph full out.all stock.my buddy raced one on the hw and got owned really bad.85 mph on ....
The lightning will start to lag around 130range were it ill become harder to breath (its a low rev/high torque motor) on the highway depending on how long the race is from an 85roll the truck will walk at first but get walked at the end. Once again this all depends on how modded the truck is.