I had a buddy drive my 95 Maxima tonight against my 2002 Maxima. The 1995 is a 5-speed, it has udp, cat-back, y-pipe and intake. My 02 is a 6-speed and is bone stock. The 95 just left me off the line. I didn't start catching up until middle of third gear, because he over-revved second gear. The 95 was obviously faster, he pulled on me in each gear. This has me stumped, because the 02 has so much more power. I can't believe the 95 was that much faster. I thought I would beat it hands down. How much will getting an exhaust and intake help me out on my 02? Does anyone know why the 02 did'nt pull harder? Btw, we both can drive stick very well, except for his over-rev since it was his first time driving my car hard.

 

Did you switch drivers and try it again? Maybe he is a much better driver...

Seriously though, I know nothing about '95s. How much do they weigh? How much did your mods increase the power?

 

* Lighter Car Approx. 3000 lbs.
* 15 inch rims (what size are yours, 18's ?)
* He had mods Y-15, CB -5, Intake- 5, UDP-8 (est. 225hp)

Do you have stereo equipment? What kind of gas do you use, and what was he using ? Maybe ZEX helped him out and you didnt know ?

 

 

Both of the Maximas are mine. So, I know exactly what modifications are done to the 95, there is no nitrous. I am actually a better driver than my friend that was driving is, so I know he wasn't shifting faster. I'm still stumped, as to why my 95 was faster. I think I just need to start modding the 02.

 

Something is wrong with the '02. The 95 should have lost an even race. Is your MAF bad or something. Maybe get the ECU reprogrammed...???

I had a 95 5 speed with intake/exhaust and got a 2002 6 speed and the difference in power and speed of the 02 is noticeable

 

Yeah, maybe your MAF sensor went bad. When mine went bad, I was getting beat by parked cars.

 

power doesnt matter

its weight to hp ratio

 

i think its possible...how much more WHP does the 95 have since it has the y pipe, intake, cat back and udp? There was a thread about a 2000 or 2001 that took out a 2k02 also. It was of course heavily modded, and still didnt beat the 02 by that much..

 

on a roll a 2k/2k1 maxima with I/Y/U can take a stock 6sp

 

there are lots of 4th gen maximas modded in the low low 14's , which is the same as 2k2 6spds, it doesnt surprise me. take a look at the 4th gen forums, people are doing 14.1-13.8 N/A 5-speed.

 

I find that pretty surprising.

I had a 98 SE 5-speed and I now have a 2003 SE auto. I consider myself an excellent stick driver and there is no way that the 98 could run with the new one. The 98 might get out of the hole a bit quicker but I'm sure the 2003 would reel it in pretty quickly. Mine was not modded though.

You must have made the right mods.

 

This must be a joke, I'm sorry to say, but it seems if you let the 3.0 95 maxima, modded or not beat you (and I'm talking no boost), you do not know how to drive stick well at all. Off the line, the only difference I can imagine is all the torque steer, from having TOO much power compared to that not-as-powerful 95 maxima's 3.0 engine. I will eat up an older maxima, that isn't boosted any day of the week.

 

You would have something like a :
1995 Maxima 5 Speed
Weight Appx. 3000 lbs
Rim Size: 15 inch
HP after Mods: 224 HP

What gets me is the 5th gen is a manual speed transmission too? All I can think of is the weight difference in cars and the huge tire and rim size difference.

 

First off, thanks for the input. My 95 has 15 in rims and my 02 has 17's. We went from a roll in first gear at about 15mph. Neither of us spun the tires really. It must be the weight difference and/or the 02 needs the ecu checked. I actually just got back from driving my 95 and it really does feel faster. It has so much pull in first gear, my 02 won't even break the tires loose without dropping the clutch. I really love my 5th gen, but I waited to get the 02 instead of the 00/01, because of the bigger engine. The car really looks nice, but it was the hp that was my major purchasing point. The 02 is my third Maxima, because I have always loved them. And each time I get a newer one, the newer model is always faster...... except this time. I have some guesses, but really don't know why there was such a difference with the 95 pulling harder.

 

as long as both cars are yours, you didnt lose ...... 95's own, they are the fastest of the 95-01 lineup, light weight and good looks add to its advantages

 

yep i would wish to have a 95 SE manaul with low miles any day!

 

strange... when I'm driving aggressivly, I tend to chirp second and third, since I'm open differential, I always go easy on first... I don't ahve to drop the clutch to do this, I can just rev a bit and shift quick and it chirps. It sounds like your car just needs to be checked, i'm sure everything is ok, maybe it's just a simple problem like the air sensor like u think? Don't swet it, just have it checked out... When all is well, your 02 should run like a champ : ]

 

Yep something is wrong. In 1st my '02 can just smoke the tires from a roll. I need to be careful in 1st gear. and like someone else said 2nd gear will spin and sometimes even third will chirp. You may need the TSB done for the MAF and/or the ecu.

 

Any 6speed owner knows that by making simple driving adjustments-
the torque steer off of first is no longer a problem- Newbie's
need to learn to launch their cars and they wont lose any performance
out of the car

 

Like people mentioned, you have a very sick 2k2 man. Every 5th gen, stock or modded (except autos with traction control on) WILL break the tires loose in 1st gear by just flooring it. Unless you are rolling at 6k rpm and floored it.

Get your 2k2 checked and get what you paid for.

 

Too bad ignorance isn't painful

 

There is something DEFINITELY wrong with your max. Even a 95 with those mods aren't enough to get it's hp up there with the 02. It's just no way, and even if the 5gen is AROUND 100-200 lbs lighter, that is still compensated by the 02's power ( i'm not gonna say stick rules because they both were stick ). I think even an STOCK AUTO 02 could beat up on a lightly modded 5gen, the 3.5 is just superior in so many ways. I mean just look in the 1/4 section of the site, theres alot of 02's AUTO that are pulling mid to hight 14's, and sticks are in the mid to low 14's.

To put some logical sense to it, there's just gotta be something wrong with your car. I'll be damned if a lightly modded 5gen, that doesnt have the power comparable to me ( nor that much, if any of an advantage on power to weight ratio ) is going to beat an 02. Get your car checked out mane, i think your car should beat a 5gen by at least a car or two. IMO ( just to keep everyones panties on )

 

I will be taking it in to the dealership this week anyway for a few problems I'm having. I will have the check out the lack of power issue as well.

 

Hey do you 02-03 guys chirp 3rd ? Am I reading that right ? I can burn them down in first, and chirp and squeal them out in second, but third aint happening for the CHARIOT !

Also I know many of you probably have read the article but it really sheds light on weight and rim size and it affects on acceleration and speed. So keep that in mind before you go out and buy those BIG AND FANCY RIMS !

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ns/index.shtml

 

I've owned both ('95 without mods though), and my 2k3 is WAY faster than the '95 - although one thing to remember is the 2k2 / 2k3 loses a lot of its advantage from a roll, 'cause it's the torque that launches it ahead of most cars.

BUT, from your description something's wrong with your 2k2. My 2k3 AUTO will smoke the tires from a stop, and I'm putting less power to the ground than a manual...

 

Its not just that he got beat...that plus his tires wont break llose in 1st gear on the 6 spped. Either he has the stickiest tires known to man or something is wrong there. Plus a lot of us posted who have or had 95 5 speeds and 02 6 speeds (like me) and the 2002 is much faster. My 95 had an intake and y pipe-my 02 6 speed is stock and no comparison. I do miss the 95 though...

 

I agree. I wanted a '98 when they came out but I couldn't afford it. My dad was in the market for a new car at the time so I talked him into getting one. 3 years later I was able to buy a new 2001 5speed SE. I owned it for 18 months wishing I had a 4th gen (Dad's was still more fun too drive). I ended up turning it in and getting something else. Please do not misunderstand what I am saying, I am not knocking the 5th gen. My '01 was an awesome ride but not quite what I wanted.

 

Seems to me like there's a problem between the steering wheel and chair

 

I don't think so!

 

How do you figure that? And Im assuming you mean at the crank. Stock is 190. Intake and exhaust may get you 10-12. Maybe another 10 here or there with little things like the UDP. but still I bet you only added 20 hp with all the basic mods. Then again-I could be totally wrong.

 

Y-pipe alone will get him at least 10-12.

240 may be pushing it though.

 

I'm able to walk 02/03 all day long

 

you better walk 2k2-2k3's ... ummmm let see.... can u say SUPERCHARGED! haha forced fed owns

 

not all

 

blubyu2k2

arent you an auto also??

 

You ROCK, blu!!!

 

yes but I wasn't talking about me beating him b/c there is no way in hell I will beat a SC 5 spd unless the driver breaks his tranny in the middle of the race

 

It's entirely possible that the 95 is faster.

Everyone seems to forget that the 95/96 have about a weight advantage EVEN OVER the 97-99 because of the bumper change in 97. I wouldn't be surprised if the 95/96 has as much as a 500 lb advantage over the 5th gen.

If I recall correctly the bumper change added about a couple hundred lbs (I may be wrong) and then 5th gen is about 300 lbs heavier than the 99s. Then let's not forget about the rotating mass weight difference caused by the rim difference too.

From what I've seen a well driven 97+ with all the bolt ons runs ~14.6-14.9 even here in Florida. I'd expect the 95 to be a coule ticks faster.

So, let's say the 2k2 is .2 secs faster on average at the track - for those of you that have raced at the track, you know how easy it is for that to evaporate.

By the way, what gear was the 2k2 in on the roll? 2nd?

 

I don't think anything is wrong here at all. Here's why:

1) MAXINXS lives in Wichita, Kansas. For those that don't know, it's been 95-108 (yes, honest to God temps) for the past two weeks in the Kansas/Missouri plus when you factor in the 30-40% humidity you're looking at 105-115 heat inducies. This doesn't surprise me that he can't spin the tires because the streets are so hot and the rims weigh 55lbs. I can usually spin my 17s on my 4th gen from a roll, but not in this weather.

2) The 95 with i/y/udp/e is good for about 180fwhp/190fwtq because that's what my 96 made with basically the same mods. With that setup I ran higher 14.6s@96mph with higher 2.2 60 foots. There is a guy in the KC group that has a bonestock 2k3 6 speed and another has a stock G35 auto. On a cool 50-degree day, the 2k3 6 speed went lower 14.9s@95mph with a high 2.3 60' with two different drivers, one of which is very experienced. On the same day, the G35 went low 14.7@96 with a low 2.3 60' and I went mid 14.4@99mph with a low 2.3 60'. My mods at the time were the MEVI/JWT ECU/modified stock airbox/y-pipe/UDP/full interior. For comparison, the same day a stock 350Z was running 14.4@98mph. The quickest 350Zs (two that I know of) are running 14.1-14.2@99mph with 2.0 60 foots. Remember ET is traction and driver dependent, but you really can't argue with trap speed because that changes very little. Trap speed shows the power to weight and how hard the car is accelerating. My 4th gen is going significantly faster than any of the other 3.5 VQs except for the 350Zs.

3) Contrary to what you read here on the Org, "most" 6 speeds do not go low 14s stock. Most are in the 14.5-14.6@96mph range and the autos are typically .1-.2 slower. There are always those that go a little faster or a little slower. Most modded 5 speed 4th gens are in the 14.6 range also. As you can see, the generations are more closely matched than most would care to admit.

4) The 2k2+ definately make more HP and TQ, but they also weigh about 200-250lbs more than the 4th gens. The 2k3 6 speed dynoed 206fwhp and 215fwtq which is about 10fwhp and 20fwtq more than I make, however my car is significantly lighter so you do the math as to why I grabbing a much stronger trap speed.



Dave