2003 MaxSE vs M3
08-15-2003, 05:52 AM
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A good friend of mine has one with the STG or SPG tranny and paddle shifters. It's like driving the worlds fastest go kart. Sticks to road like glue and has incredible performance. We blew by a bunch of BMW bikers down in NM while following some of our buddies on their sportbikes at around 140 with the stereo on and a cold Coke in hand.
Should seen the look on the BMW biker's faces as we came by.
Should seen the look on the BMW biker's faces as we came by.
08-15-2003, 06:13 AM
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Re: 2003 MaxSE vs M3
Originally posted by playzwithtrucks
not a good idea...
not a good idea...
E36 auto = VQ35 auto Maxima
E36 5sp > VQ35 auto Maxima but, = VQ35 6speed
E46 >>>>> than any nonboosted (and maybe some boosted) Maximas.
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08-15-2003, 08:36 AM
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Correction- It's SMG, not STG or SPG.
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Originally posted by brianc
A good friend of mine has one with the STG or SPG tranny and paddle shifters. It's like driving the worlds fastest go kart. Sticks to road like glue and has incredible performance. We blew by a bunch of BMW bikers down in NM while following some of our buddies on their sportbikes at around 140 with the stereo on and a cold Coke in hand.
Should seen the look on the BMW biker's faces as we came by.
A good friend of mine has one with the STG or SPG tranny and paddle shifters. It's like driving the worlds fastest go kart. Sticks to road like glue and has incredible performance. We blew by a bunch of BMW bikers down in NM while following some of our buddies on their sportbikes at around 140 with the stereo on and a cold Coke in hand.
Should seen the look on the BMW biker's faces as we came by.
08-15-2003, 12:15 PM
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A good friend of mine has one with the STG or SPG tranny and paddle shifters. It's like driving the worlds fastest go kart. Sticks to road like glue and has incredible performance. We blew by a bunch of BMW bikers down in NM while following some of our buddies on their sportbikes at around 140 with the stereo on and a cold Coke in hand.
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08-15-2003, 01:08 PM
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E46's: they go like hell and then they blow up
08-15-2003, 01:25 PM
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Re: E46's: they go like hell and then they blow up
Originally posted by Galo
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...t=blown+engine
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...t=blown+engine
M3 is still a phat car though...one day.
08-15-2003, 01:32 PM
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BMW has admitted to the problem with the "explosive" engine crapola. E46 M3 owners are supposed to be getting the royal treatment due to this...
One little part and everything comes unglued in a very ugly fashion.
One little part and everything comes unglued in a very ugly fashion.
08-15-2003, 01:50 PM
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Hey, Quick..BMW only admitted to it after
several BMW drivers took them to court so...dont think too highly of their customer service because initially -and for about a four month period- BMW was blaming everything on drivers overrevving the engine.
This fell flat on it's face when some really cool dudes -who had the semi-automatic SMG cars- proved in a hearing that the design of the SMG gearbox -specifically, its built-in overrides- made it IMPOSSIBLE for the engine to be overreved and that indeed, engines who could -because of the SMG gearbox- never go beyond 8100 RPMs were logging 8600 RPMs in the ECU logger -proving the rev logger was wrong, at which point BMW had massive egg on face.
When faced with that, BMW finally relented but it was a cat-fight for MONTHS
Now they're getting engine replacements and/or rebuilds and 100k mile warranty, which is still insufficient, IMHO
BTW, the design of this engine -3.3 liters with an unGodly long stroke to achieve those 3.3 liters- creates a piston speed that is a tad less than TWICE the piston speed of our beloved VQ's! hell, it begins to approximate the piston speed of their 18000 RPM F1 engines
Thanks but no thanks -because fix or no fix, it's still a very expensive hand-grenade...
This fell flat on it's face when some really cool dudes -who had the semi-automatic SMG cars- proved in a hearing that the design of the SMG gearbox -specifically, its built-in overrides- made it IMPOSSIBLE for the engine to be overreved and that indeed, engines who could -because of the SMG gearbox- never go beyond 8100 RPMs were logging 8600 RPMs in the ECU logger -proving the rev logger was wrong, at which point BMW had massive egg on face.
When faced with that, BMW finally relented but it was a cat-fight for MONTHS
Now they're getting engine replacements and/or rebuilds and 100k mile warranty, which is still insufficient, IMHO
BTW, the design of this engine -3.3 liters with an unGodly long stroke to achieve those 3.3 liters- creates a piston speed that is a tad less than TWICE the piston speed of our beloved VQ's! hell, it begins to approximate the piston speed of their 18000 RPM F1 engines
Thanks but no thanks -because fix or no fix, it's still a very expensive hand-grenade...
08-15-2003, 02:02 PM
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I guess there is actually a limit to how much NA power you can reasonably get out of 6 cylinder. Over 300hp na on 3.3 liters is and incredible feat. But it looks like this engine is very topped out in it's development. They should beef it up and offer a factory SC ala Mercedes etc.. That way they don't have to spin the living koo-koo out of it to get the rpm based hp.
08-15-2003, 02:22 PM
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Jeff....I think the issue really is the design
with the hugely undersquare engine -the stroke so long versus the bore- and not the overall level of tuning because the engine is right at 100 hp/liter.
And yes, 100hp/liter is one of those 'ohmiGod' benchmarks but there are a few other egines out there that reach that plateau with solid reliability. The Honda S2000 comes to mind...that's pumping 120 hp/liter -but its a very modern, udersquare design.
What I cannot for the life of me figure out is why BMW went with that archaic configuration!
And yes, 100hp/liter is one of those 'ohmiGod' benchmarks but there are a few other egines out there that reach that plateau with solid reliability. The Honda S2000 comes to mind...that's pumping 120 hp/liter -but its a very modern, udersquare design.
What I cannot for the life of me figure out is why BMW went with that archaic configuration!
08-15-2003, 03:48 PM
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And just for the record, the BMW I6 in the E46 M3 models displaces 3.2L's, not 3.3L's...
3.4" bore x 3.53" stroke = 192.3 CID or 3151.19 CC's
It's still a remarkable engine, even with it's problems. They will be fixed, though, and with the extended overall warranty, should provide some measure of satisfaction to the ones that got screwed. And I never said BMW service was good...I've always thought it to be rather shoddy myself.
3.4" bore x 3.53" stroke = 192.3 CID or 3151.19 CC's
It's still a remarkable engine, even with it's problems. They will be fixed, though, and with the extended overall warranty, should provide some measure of satisfaction to the ones that got screwed. And I never said BMW service was good...I've always thought it to be rather shoddy myself.
08-15-2003, 04:11 PM
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Re: Jeff....I think the issue really is the design
Originally posted by Galo
What I cannot for the life of me figure out is why BMW went with that archaic configuration!
What I cannot for the life of me figure out is why BMW went with that archaic configuration!
08-15-2003, 05:14 PM
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Re: Re: 2003 MaxSE vs M3
Originally posted by F23A4
E30 = Easy kill for VQ30 5sp and VQ35 Maximas
E36 auto = VQ35 auto Maxima
E36 5sp > VQ35 auto Maxima but, = VQ35 6speed
E46 >>>>> than any nonboosted (and maybe some boosted) Maximas.
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E30 = Easy kill for VQ30 5sp and VQ35 Maximas
E36 auto = VQ35 auto Maxima
E36 5sp > VQ35 auto Maxima but, = VQ35 6speed
E46 >>>>> than any nonboosted (and maybe some boosted) Maximas.
Peace
08-15-2003, 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
And just for the record, the BMW I6 in the E46 M3 models displaces 3.2L's, not 3.3L's...
3.4" bore x 3.53" stroke = 192.3 CID or 3151.19 CC's
It's still a remarkable engine, even with it's problems. They will be fixed, though, and with the extended overall warranty, should provide some measure of satisfaction to the ones that got screwed. And I never said BMW service was good...I've always thought it to be rather shoddy myself.
And just for the record, the BMW I6 in the E46 M3 models displaces 3.2L's, not 3.3L's...
3.4" bore x 3.53" stroke = 192.3 CID or 3151.19 CC's
It's still a remarkable engine, even with it's problems. They will be fixed, though, and with the extended overall warranty, should provide some measure of satisfaction to the ones that got screwed. And I never said BMW service was good...I've always thought it to be rather shoddy myself.
08-16-2003, 01:29 AM
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anyways, i have no idea what kidn of m3 it was. i know it was a really nice blue color, and was stick. I wouldn't even have tried it...my girlfriend was driving and said she thought she'd win because the guy driving was old (as in 30's...).
and by the way...someone responded earlier and said the "older m3's can be beat"......i would have never known. i just alwayz assumed BMW's are fast...
and by the way...someone responded earlier and said the "older m3's can be beat"......i would have never known. i just alwayz assumed BMW's are fast...
08-16-2003, 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
The older E36 M3 is still more than a match for most drivers in the 5th Gen Maximas...
The older E36 M3 is still more than a match for most drivers in the 5th Gen Maximas...
08-16-2003, 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Quicksilver
The older E36 M3 is still more than a match for most drivers in the 5th Gen Maximas...
The older E36 M3 is still more than a match for most drivers in the 5th Gen Maximas...
E36 M3 5spds will run 14-flat at almost 100 mph trap speeds. I think I've even heard of a few sneaking 13.9's still stock. It would take one HELL of a 3.5 Max 6spd driver to match that.
08-16-2003, 10:14 AM
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i went for a ride in a new m3 smg the other day, and it made my car feel slow 
that thing bangs through the gears, when you shift it sounds like youre doing something wrong the back end shifts so hard... im considering it for my next car now lol
that thing bangs through the gears, when you shift it sounds like youre doing something wrong the back end shifts so hard... im considering it for my next car now lol
08-16-2003, 10:47 AM
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Also, you can do Euro-spec engine conversions on the cars also. Not sure if you can convert the existing engine or if it's a whole new engine. Thought I read it was an entire engine swap and the cost was like $7000 or something.
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