2K max Vs. 97 Prelude
10-01-2003, 09:23 AM
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2K max Vs. 97 Prelude
Hey, my buddy has a 97 Prelude (not the SH) he has the V6 VTech and we both have a 5 speed, both stock......we keep talking s*** to each other. I'm almost positive I could take him....am I wrong in assuming this?
10-01-2003, 09:32 AM
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Sorry.....just looked it up because it was a vtech I just assumed its 2.2L Aluminum In-line 4 , 195 @ 7000 , 156 @ 5250, 16V DOHC VTEC....sorry about that
10-01-2003, 09:53 AM
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u can take him... maybe you'll lag off the start. but you''ll take him for sure in a 1/4 mile
10-01-2003, 09:58 AM
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Yeah, Prelude will most likely take you off the line. Smaller car + better transmission + higher redline == fast off the line.
Once you get past 2nd gear, he's done.
Twisties are another story, especially with the SH.
Note: gsr < prelude.
Once you get past 2nd gear, he's done.
Twisties are another story, especially with the SH.
Note: gsr < prelude.
10-01-2003, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben
Yeah, Prelude will most likely take you off the line. Smaller car + better transmission + higher redline == fast off the line.
Once you get past 2nd gear, he's done.
Twisties are another story, especially with the SH.
Note: gsr < prelude.
Once you get past 2nd gear, he's done.
Twisties are another story, especially with the SH.
Note: gsr < prelude.
10-01-2003, 10:03 AM
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that should be a drivers race...... these 2 cars are dead even 0-100 race. i used to race my buddies 95 5 speed maxima (intake, exhaust) with my 99 prelude 5speed (intake) and we dead even most of the time.
10-01-2003, 10:48 AM
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I have the 3.0 .......wish i had the 3.5 but I'll let you know after he gets walked.......LOL
10-01-2003, 02:38 PM
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0-60 on the SH is 6.7. that's like 0-60 on a 2k/2k1 manaul maxima. i think that with an auto you dont really stand a chance, from a roll at the right RPMs you can take him. the 3.0 auto arent that good 0-60 especially with that crappy nissan tranny.
10-01-2003, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001SE
0-60 on the SH is 6.7. that's like 0-60 on a 2k/2k1 manaul maxima. i think that with an auto you dont really stand a chance, from a roll at the right RPMs you can take him. the 3.0 auto arent that good 0-60 especially with that crappy nissan tranny.
10-01-2003, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001SE
0-60 on the SH is 6.7. that's like 0-60 on a 2k/2k1 manaul maxima. i think that with an auto you dont really stand a chance, from a roll at the right RPMs you can take him. the 3.0 auto arent that good 0-60 especially with that crappy nissan tranny.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...ex.cfm/id/2265
I also remember car and driver doing a comparison test with a number of import coupes including new celica, vw gti, integra gsr, and a couple others. Prelude was among the slowest nearing 8 seconds as I recall. I'm still trying to find the article.
Here's some others tho:
http://sportscar55.tripod.com/honda/prelude/main.htm
http://juvination.virtualave.net/preludespec.html
http://www.supercars.net/garages/Moonracer/34v2.html
I did see the number 6.7 somewhere, but everyone else says ~8.
Car and driver got close to 7 out of their 2k max 5 speed.
None the less, it will be a drivers race. But when is it not? Maybe when I got the vette to open up with me the other day.
10-01-2003, 06:27 PM
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My prelude would own a 2k-2k1 Max...now a 3.5 is another story...I'd watch out if your friend has any mods...or any driving skills what so ever.
10-01-2003, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben
6.7? That's a little generous.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...ex.cfm/id/2265
I also remember car and driver doing a comparison test with a number of import coupes including new celica, vw gti, integra gsr, and a couple others. Prelude was among the slowest nearing 8 seconds as I recall. I'm still trying to find the article.
Here's some others tho:
http://sportscar55.tripod.com/honda/prelude/main.htm
http://juvination.virtualave.net/preludespec.html
http://www.supercars.net/garages/Moonracer/34v2.html
I did see the number 6.7 somewhere, but everyone else says ~8.
Car and driver got close to 7 out of their 2k max 5 speed.
None the less, it will be a drivers race. But when is it not? Maybe when I got the vette to open up with me the other day.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...ex.cfm/id/2265
I also remember car and driver doing a comparison test with a number of import coupes including new celica, vw gti, integra gsr, and a couple others. Prelude was among the slowest nearing 8 seconds as I recall. I'm still trying to find the article.
Here's some others tho:
http://sportscar55.tripod.com/honda/prelude/main.htm
http://juvination.virtualave.net/preludespec.html
http://www.supercars.net/garages/Moonracer/34v2.html
I did see the number 6.7 somewhere, but everyone else says ~8.
Car and driver got close to 7 out of their 2k max 5 speed.
None the less, it will be a drivers race. But when is it not? Maybe when I got the vette to open up with me the other day.
10-01-2003, 07:52 PM
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my automatic 98 max se can own any automatic prelude out there anyday, as long as its stock 
10-01-2003, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamy
My prelude would own a 2k-2k1 Max...now a 3.5 is another story...I'd watch out if your friend has any mods...or any driving skills what so ever.
10-01-2003, 08:16 PM
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My lude is heavily modded but thats not the point...the point is I don't see many 2k1 stock maximas running mid/low 14s...on the other had I have personally seen a stock 5spd lude run a 14.6. I'm not here to make a problem I just have one and know what its able to do. Also...C&D rated the Lude as the best handling car under 35k....I think thats saying something. Anyhow here are a few real articles for you to read....
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
10-01-2003, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamy
My lude is heavily modded but thats not the point...the point is I don't see many 2k1 stock maximas running mid/low 14s...on the other had I have personally seen a stock 5spd lude run a 14.6. I'm not here to make a problem I just have one and know what its able to do. Also...C&D rated the Lude as the best handling car under 35k....I think thats saying something. Anyhow here are a few real articles for you to read....
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
10-02-2003, 03:58 AM
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I can not comment on the newer Ludes. I had a 92 Si and I can tell you I think it would have given my 3.5 Altima a hell of run to 80-90 mph. Definately would have eaten it off the line...both automatics..Honda shifted so much harder and faster. I have never had such a lazy transmission in my life.....My wifes Bonnieville ****s so much better.
I hope the Max tranny's are different.
I hope the Max tranny's are different.
10-02-2003, 06:14 AM
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Well just so everyone knows my buddy and i ran 5 times last night.....He got WALKED everytime....as far as a drivers race....after we ran the 5 times we switched cars (yes i let him drive my max.....because he taught me how to drive a MT on his car) but anyway we ran two more times him in my max and me in his 'Lude.....I got walked both times.......NEXT!?!?!!?
10-02-2003, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabiddy780
Well just so everyone knows my buddy and i ran 5 times last night.....He got WALKED everytime....as far as a drivers race....after we ran the 5 times we switched cars (yes i let him drive my max.....because he taught me how to drive a MT on his car) but anyway we ran two more times him in my max and me in his 'Lude.....I got walked both times.......NEXT!?!?!!?
Was there a point where the prelude was faster? Was the prelude better through 1st and 2nd?
10-02-2003, 06:28 AM
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There is a bridge where i live (perfect place to race) its about half a mile......we raced to a point in the bridge (there is a sign, I would say is roughly about 1/3 of a mile...we both got to around 100...as far as first and second....honestly the prelude beat my a$$ off the line just about every time..but never by a whole lot
10-02-2003, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabiddy780
There is a bridge where i live (perfect place to race) its about half a mile......we raced to a point in the bridge (there is a sign, I would say is roughly about 1/3 of a mile...we both got to around 100...as far as first and second....honestly the prelude beat my a$$ off the line just about every time..but never by a whole lot
Nice job.
I looked at buying a prelude before I got my max. I thought the 2k max was faster, but I wasn't 100%.
I loved the way the prelude handled, but the back seat was useless.
10-02-2003, 06:44 AM
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I actually really like the preludes....but your right no back seat room and if your 6'1" or over no head room.....but it drives really nice especially on the twisties....but i still love my MAX
10-02-2003, 07:12 AM
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Congrats on the win bro! I'm happy to have owned both a Max and Lude so its like the best of both worlds. I would have thought it to be a closer race but either way maybe this will just push you guys to mod your cars now!
10-02-2003, 07:26 AM
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Jabiddy780 .. Hey .. let's meet up
10-02-2003, 07:31 AM
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Cool....where you at...I'm not actually in philly....but I'm right outside the city......(Norristown, Plymouth meeting are) just didnt put that b/c didnt think anyone would know where that is)
10-21-2003, 09:34 PM
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Just one other comment. I bought a 5th gen Prelude in April and have been active on the prelude list (www.preludeonline.com). Though I have not timed my Prelude myself or taken it to the track, I have read that high 14's are obtainable in stock form if you hold the shifts to 8000 RPMs through 1st and 2nd. The redline is 7500, and it is easy to hit 8 from my own experience. Fuel cut off is 8200. Before driving the Prelude, I drove a 2K 5 speed Max, and it is hard to tell. The Prelude screams when the VTEC kicks in at 5200 - 8000 RPMs and is faster than the Maxima in that range. However, I think the Maxima is stronger in the lower RPM range.
Keep in mind that though the SH has the ATTS handling system, it is 150 lbs heavier than the base model.
Keep in mind that though the SH has the ATTS handling system, it is 150 lbs heavier than the base model.
10-21-2003, 09:39 PM
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Cool another PreludeOnline member on the ORG! I'm 98VTEC on PO. I'm sure you've seen my lude around. I'm almost damn sure that a lude could beat a 2k max but hey thats just me...whatever works. Both nice cars.
10-21-2003, 09:50 PM
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Absolutely, and with the Max - you get a back seat! Anyway, I think the lesser weight and better aerodynamics make a difference. See you around both forums!
10-21-2003, 10:42 PM
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Actually, you're good. The GSR runs low 7's stock, and for your Max being an auto, that's really good.
The GSR does not have the H22 though
The GSR does not have the H22 though
10-22-2003, 04:21 PM
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Actually I had a lude but sold it because it kept having problems. Its was a 92 4th gen. with a swapped jdm h22 running with the h23 tranny( if anyone here knows what im talking about) Had full bolt ons,test pipe, ecu, clutch, and VAFC. anyways before I sold It I ran a 350z from a roll and pulled on it. before many mods I ran a 14.7 with a 2.3 60ft. My lude had more top end than my 04 max but not as much low end. Most ludes arent in the low 14s but some are, so watch out.
10-22-2003, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamy
My lude is heavily modded but thats not the point...the point is I don't see many 2k1 stock maximas running mid/low 14s...on the other had I have personally seen a stock 5spd lude run a 14.6. I'm not here to make a problem I just have one and know what its able to do. Also...C&D rated the Lude as the best handling car under 35k....I think thats saying something. Anyhow here are a few real articles for you to read....
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
Motor Trend
Car and Driver
BS...That generation Prelude did not run mid 14's stock...
High 14's and low 15's, plenty...
10-22-2003, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan91SE
Absolutely, and with the Max - you get a back seat! Anyway, I think the lesser weight and better aerodynamics make a difference. See you around both forums!