Stillen header dyno numbers!!
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Originally Posted by maximaman777
Thanks guys for offers the help with funds for the dyno's.
At 100 bones a crack for 3 runs with A/F it adds up quick. We'll stay in touch
At 100 bones a crack for 3 runs with A/F it adds up quick. We'll stay in touch
UPDATE ON THE HEADERS
i talked to the stillen guy who designed these and was pleased with the way he tried to answer each one of my question with another answer besides u need backpressure. he agrees backpressure is misunderstood by many. there were 4 prototypes of the headers. each different diameters. 2.5" y-pipe one had baffles in the pipes to do some crazy eloctrowave thing he said (i dunno). another one was like the altimas and had the curve on the rear part of the y-pipe. another i beleive was the same set up with larger 2.5" pipes i might not be correct though. then the 4th which is the current. he said all of the other ones didnt get the gains that this one did.
OH BTW.......
HEY CULLIN!!!! stillen does read the .org so everyone say hello!!!!sry to get off topic i just remebered. LOL
back to what i was saying. i then asked him if they tested only one maxima as i had been told. he said no they did tests on a few and all showed similar gains. but all were stock as well. the comment made to me that they had sold 400-500 of these headers was BALONI only 27 have been shipped so im told. so that makes 3:27 proven losses or gains no where near the gains claimed. he said only me and study had problems and everyone else has seen gains. i asked for the dynos of others who have proven gains but he couldnt provide me with one but said on some open house day or some event at stillen hes sure there will be a dyno of the headers on a customers car. some day this month i believe.
i asked him about the box and why they only knew that the SES light would come on only 1 week before shipping. he said thats not true that he has known for years that the SES light would come on and the real issue was that the company who makes them actually used 2 boxs on the alimas and made this new single box for the maxima which costed more or something.
i then asked what kind of help i might get from them to find the solution and he said that he has 80 other projects to do and couldnt fit it into his schedule to prototype another set. i was like so 3 people having dynos proving losses isnt enough to receive some help. i told him i had 228hp and 236 on the dyno before the headers and now i have 219hp and 221tq thats not acceptable. he said if we find the problem let him know. he asked to see all the dynos before the headers showing gains as i added more.
i was overall pleased with the way that he answered my questions but still not pleased with the lack of work ethics stillen is displaying. i also added that their lack of help and proven losses have made many potential buyers purchase a cattman y-pipe instead of the headers since the gains are PROVEN from third party dynos.
i will be faxing him my dynos later tonight but want to document this entire saga from ordering to now. the false information given to me by numerous stillen employees and the lack of customer service is a big part of the problem. i feel that we are gettin screwed and might need to take it to the next level. i wont be happy until i talk with steve millen on this and he can tell me that stillen will not give any assitance to find the solution. i will not rest till i get the HP that to this day dynos along with other potential fixes i paid over 1400 bucks for.
ill think of more when i stop pulling my hair out on this BULL ****!
any suggestions or ideas are appriciated
will
Wow, that was some post. I definitely think documenting your situation is a great idea.
It blows my mind that Stillen would only test these headers on a Maxima with an otherwise stock exhaust. More than likely a person who adds headers will have other exhaust mods.
I also can't believe that they read these boards but are unwillingly to post or help you out any further.
I am one of those people who would have bought headers but ended up going with the Cattman Y pipe.
I hope Stillen understands how many sales they have lost because of this and how many future sales they will lose because of their poor customer service. Stillen should also keep in mind that today's Maxima owner could very well be tomorrows 350z and G35 owner and their actions here will be remembered.
It blows my mind that Stillen would only test these headers on a Maxima with an otherwise stock exhaust. More than likely a person who adds headers will have other exhaust mods.
I also can't believe that they read these boards but are unwillingly to post or help you out any further.
I am one of those people who would have bought headers but ended up going with the Cattman Y pipe.
I hope Stillen understands how many sales they have lost because of this and how many future sales they will lose because of their poor customer service. Stillen should also keep in mind that today's Maxima owner could very well be tomorrows 350z and G35 owner and their actions here will be remembered.
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Originally Posted by 03BlkSETE
Wow, that was some post. I definitely think documenting your situation is a great idea.
It blows my mind that Stillen would only test these headers on a Maxima with an otherwise stock exhaust. More than likely a person who adds headers will have other exhaust mods.
I also can't believe that they read these boards but are unwillingly to post or help you out any further.
I am one of those people who would have bought headers but ended up going with the Cattman Y pipe.
I hope Stillen understands how many sales they have lost because of this and how many future sales they will lose because of their poor customer service. Stillen should also keep in mind that today's Maxima owner could very well be tomorrows 350z and G35 owner and their actions here will be remembered.
It blows my mind that Stillen would only test these headers on a Maxima with an otherwise stock exhaust. More than likely a person who adds headers will have other exhaust mods.
I also can't believe that they read these boards but are unwillingly to post or help you out any further.
I am one of those people who would have bought headers but ended up going with the Cattman Y pipe.
I hope Stillen understands how many sales they have lost because of this and how many future sales they will lose because of their poor customer service. Stillen should also keep in mind that today's Maxima owner could very well be tomorrows 350z and G35 owner and their actions here will be remembered.
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Originally Posted by WILLSE
esp if this is ur 3rd dyno run in 1 month
UPDATE ON THE HEADERS
i talked to the stillen guy who designed these and was pleased with the way he tried to answer each one of my question with another answer besides u need backpressure. he agrees backpressure is misunderstood by many. there were 4 prototypes of the headers. each different diameters. 2.5" y-pipe one had baffles in the pipes to do some crazy eloctrowave thing he said (i dunno). another one was like the altimas and had the curve on the rear part of the y-pipe. another i beleive was the same set up with larger 2.5" pipes i might not be correct though. then the 4th which is the current. he said all of the other ones didnt get the gains that this one did.
OH BTW....... HEY CULLIN!!!! stillen does read the .org so everyone say hello!!!!
sry to get off topic i just remebered. LOL
back to what i was saying. i then asked him if they tested only one maxima as i had been told. he said no they did tests on a few and all showed similar gains. but all were stock as well. the comment made to me that they had sold 400-500 of these headers was BALONI only 27 have been shipped so im told. so that makes 3:27 proven losses or gains no where near the gains claimed. he said only me and study had problems and everyone else has seen gains. i asked for the dynos of others who have proven gains but he couldnt provide me with one but said on some open house day or some event at stillen hes sure there will be a dyno of the headers on a customers car. some day this month i believe.
i asked him about the box and why they only knew that the SES light would come on only 1 week before shipping. he said thats not true that he has known for years that the SES light would come on and the real issue was that the company who makes them actually used 2 boxs on the alimas and made this new single box for the maxima which costed more or something.
i then asked what kind of help i might get from them to find the solution and he said that he has 80 other projects to do and couldnt fit it into his schedule to prototype another set. i was like so 3 people having dynos proving losses isnt enough to receive some help. i told him i had 228hp and 236 on the dyno before the headers and now i have 219hp and 221tq thats not acceptable. he said if we find the problem let him know. he asked to see all the dynos before the headers showing gains as i added more.
i was overall pleased with the way that he answered my questions but still not pleased with the lack of work ethics stillen is displaying. i also added that their lack of help and proven losses have made many potential buyers purchase a cattman y-pipe instead of the headers since the gains are PROVEN from third party dynos.
i will be faxing him my dynos later tonight but want to document this entire saga from ordering to now. the false information given to me by numerous stillen employees and the lack of customer service is a big part of the problem. i feel that we are gettin screwed and might need to take it to the next level. i wont be happy until i talk with steve millen on this and he can tell me that stillen will not give any assitance to find the solution. i will not rest till i get the HP that to this day dynos along with other potential fixes i paid over 1400 bucks for.
ill think of more when i stop pulling my hair out on this BULL ****!
any suggestions or ideas are appriciated
will
UPDATE ON THE HEADERS
i talked to the stillen guy who designed these and was pleased with the way he tried to answer each one of my question with another answer besides u need backpressure. he agrees backpressure is misunderstood by many. there were 4 prototypes of the headers. each different diameters. 2.5" y-pipe one had baffles in the pipes to do some crazy eloctrowave thing he said (i dunno). another one was like the altimas and had the curve on the rear part of the y-pipe. another i beleive was the same set up with larger 2.5" pipes i might not be correct though. then the 4th which is the current. he said all of the other ones didnt get the gains that this one did.
OH BTW.......
HEY CULLIN!!!! stillen does read the .org so everyone say hello!!!!sry to get off topic i just remebered. LOL
back to what i was saying. i then asked him if they tested only one maxima as i had been told. he said no they did tests on a few and all showed similar gains. but all were stock as well. the comment made to me that they had sold 400-500 of these headers was BALONI only 27 have been shipped so im told. so that makes 3:27 proven losses or gains no where near the gains claimed. he said only me and study had problems and everyone else has seen gains. i asked for the dynos of others who have proven gains but he couldnt provide me with one but said on some open house day or some event at stillen hes sure there will be a dyno of the headers on a customers car. some day this month i believe.
i asked him about the box and why they only knew that the SES light would come on only 1 week before shipping. he said thats not true that he has known for years that the SES light would come on and the real issue was that the company who makes them actually used 2 boxs on the alimas and made this new single box for the maxima which costed more or something.
i then asked what kind of help i might get from them to find the solution and he said that he has 80 other projects to do and couldnt fit it into his schedule to prototype another set. i was like so 3 people having dynos proving losses isnt enough to receive some help. i told him i had 228hp and 236 on the dyno before the headers and now i have 219hp and 221tq thats not acceptable. he said if we find the problem let him know. he asked to see all the dynos before the headers showing gains as i added more.
i was overall pleased with the way that he answered my questions but still not pleased with the lack of work ethics stillen is displaying. i also added that their lack of help and proven losses have made many potential buyers purchase a cattman y-pipe instead of the headers since the gains are PROVEN from third party dynos.
i will be faxing him my dynos later tonight but want to document this entire saga from ordering to now. the false information given to me by numerous stillen employees and the lack of customer service is a big part of the problem. i feel that we are gettin screwed and might need to take it to the next level. i wont be happy until i talk with steve millen on this and he can tell me that stillen will not give any assitance to find the solution. i will not rest till i get the HP that to this day dynos along with other potential fixes i paid over 1400 bucks for.
ill think of more when i stop pulling my hair out on this BULL ****!
any suggestions or ideas are appriciated
will
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Originally Posted by maximaman777
Wanna change out your plugs tomorrow night Will?
need to scrape up some cash real fast but im down. thanks for ur help bro! quicksilver i know u mentioned that u wanted to help as well. if u can get some free time call the cell so we can meet up and get these plugs changed. i am still trying to contact the tech at nissan to see if the consult II can be kidnapped soon.
will
Originally Posted by Quicksilver
1BADMAX, WILLSE, and studman all used the same exact type dyno (with WILLSE, 1BADMAX, and maximaman777 using the same exact dyno in the same exact location). I'd say that's pretty damn scientific and lays waste to your claims of inconsistencies...
the ##'s Stillen claim they saw on a dynojet
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Originally Posted by RClyatt
After a few exchanges with the BBB Stillen reimbursed me for 50% of what I paid to have a new flex section welded on. I feel your frustration I promise..
HOPE U READ THIS STILLEN!!!
will
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Originally Posted by WILLSE
need to scrape up some cash real fast but im down. thanks for ur help bro! quicksilver i know u mentioned that u wanted to help as well. if u can get some free time call the cell so we can meet up and get these plugs changed. i am still trying to contact the tech at nissan to see if the consult II can be kidnapped soon.
will
will
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Originally Posted by WILLSE
1BADMAX dynoed in MARIETTA at DYNOLAB not SUGAR HILL as adam i did. his temperture was 61 degrees compared to 91 at the place we were which would in a sense be more power.
We're all slightly crazy...but in the end it's because we want what's best for us, and not necessarily what's best for Stillen or any other company like them. They can sell all the good stuff they want, but when it comes to crap, sooner or later, we're going to find out about it and throw it back in their faces...
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It's interesting that neither Juice nor glen1685 have thrown an ses light and they both unplugged or never hooked up their black boxes. Maybe that friggin box is making the computer go crazy.
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Originally Posted by 1BADMAX
It's interesting that neither Juice nor glen1685 have thrown an ses light and they both unplugged or never hooked up their black boxes. Maybe that friggin box is making the computer go crazy.
What do you guys mean when refering to the black boxes?
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Originally Posted by tampamax
What do you guys mean when refering to the black boxes?
02 simulator box used to trick the rear 02s from throwing a SES light. i am aware that the O2s have no effect on performance but my car with the 02 simulator box (black box) disconnected has not thrown a SES light and feels like some power is back. i know its crazy and doesnt make sense for the box to decrease performance but by disabling it and proving otherwise would be a big step for us with the headers. i dont want anyone else telling me that the black box wont effect the power i will prove myself wrong.
will
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i find it interesting that JUICE was never given a 02 box. CULLIN the man who designed these headers said they were shipped with every order and the car would most definately throw a code. to my disbelief no SES light has poped up with the removal of the ground wire on the box. cullin said that 3-4 driving cycles the SES will come back on. i have now been in and out of my car 15+ times and still no SES light. i dunno! ill admit im wrong if i am but until i can PROVE the black box is needed im not using it considering the car is definately running different if its good or bad ill find out soon.
will
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Oh, I will go $25 also, if it is still needed for the dyno.
I will also go $25 twords a techno square flash programming
for WILLSE. Guess we will need 15 other guys to get this one done.
The reason i offer this is because the ultimate main items will be headers (provided the bugs are worked out) and the TS flash. Nitrous or FI are things I will probably never do.
I am not being generous, this is my contribution to R & D, which will make my job easier when I do these mods.
I will also go $25 twords a techno square flash programming
for WILLSE. Guess we will need 15 other guys to get this one done.
The reason i offer this is because the ultimate main items will be headers (provided the bugs are worked out) and the TS flash. Nitrous or FI are things I will probably never do.
I am not being generous, this is my contribution to R & D, which will make my job easier when I do these mods.
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i went to nissan today to talk to another service dept. to see if they would do the reprogram since the other nissan with that cool tech is about 30min from me. i got a number to nissan service or something. its a number that a bunch of people dont have so im told. the guy said if i want something done call that number. i will give them a call if this other guy turns out to be full of it. no progress or contact with stillen since monday. i will keep u guys posted when something new occurs. we will be changing my plugs within the next 2 days. im sure that can only help since im almost at 60k and drive rather agressive. im going to call stillen tomorrow just so they know i havent forgotten about them. i want to thank everyone for their help its greatly appriciated!
will
everyone for their help its greatly appriciated! will
i got 199 hp and 212 torque with the greddy then took it off and replaced it with stock but before i did this i connected the black box again then i dynoed again
i got 208 hp and 222 torque i dunno if the box being connected gave me more hp or the stock vs the greddy
total mods apexi intake high flow cat stillen headers stock exhaust or greddy evo
i got 208 hp and 222 torque i dunno if the box being connected gave me more hp or the stock vs the greddy
total mods apexi intake high flow cat stillen headers stock exhaust or greddy evo
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