Anyone try this out? Would this thing work? They have it listed for the 2k2 maxima 6-spd, so I'm kinda curious since my car did not come with the factory LSD.

http://129.33.208.33/ecat2004/phan_grp_promo.htm

 

I had it in my Maxima, worked awesome. I removed it durring my Tranny rebuild last month when 4th gear grenaded and destroyed the Phantomgrip. It wasn't PGrips fault tranny went out, my friend didn't fill up the tranny well enough when I had him hook me up with some "free" Redline- 4th gear wasn't getting lubricated enough, as its one of the smallest gear sets in the tranny and not enough oil was being splashed at it. I miss PGrip, might pop one in when I fix my weird 5th and Reverse gear engagement. I didn't get one part intime to fix my car so I said funk it, lemme put it in the car and drive it. 5th just feels kinda rubbery at times due to small crack in the sleeve the baulk ring and synro ride on. I'm a mechanic so all this is like.... breakfast to me... ez to do.

 

Will this work on Automatic

 

Yes, according to PGrips site it will. Just a bigger PITA to put one in a automatic tranny over a manual. I dunno why Autos would really need one... they are only 4spds. Unless ya looking just for off the line traction. Auto suck for road racing from my experience. I only used my PGrip in road racing my Max, and it kicked bootie.

 

How much are they and what would it cost to have one installed? I couldn't find any in my area that came with LSD so I had to do without...

 

its 299 from Phantomgrip.com for some who races I recomend the spring kit with GREEN springs for some hardcore locking diff action- feels very much like a real LSD. Labor wise- I guess around 500 bux at s local shop- depending on $$$ per hour of labor I guess. I do them for 400 on the side here. Done within one day.

 

Were in IL are you from? I've been looking all over the Chi. area and everyone wants a ton of cash for the install.

 

300 bucks, how about i order a HLSD tranny to replace mine..for lets say 600?

 

The phantom grip is more for off the line traction and 3.5 really have lots of turque and it would be very benificial. To think about it, every damn car will benifit for an LSD.

 

I'm from Chicagoland area- western suburbs. I like the benefit of not lighting up the inner wheel on corners but just pulling right out of em like crazy. Works nice on a autoX or road racing. I just don't see an auto doing the 2 mentioned types of racing. Some people only like being on the track for less than 14 sec. I like those 20 min lapping sessions at Road America :P

 

Sounds like a great deal. Just added it to my list of mods. How hard is it to put in?? Can I do it myself? I have fairly good mechanical knowledge, and access to tools.

 

You non HLSD diff 6spd guys should be all over this. Its a good diff..but i dont think its as good as the stock nisssan HLSD...Jez?

 

I'd rather wait and see what, if anything, NISMO comes out with first.

 

Phantom grip is widely used and beats spending 1000+ dollars for a real LSD.

 

Hmmm, I've got auto, and just to get rid of the torque steer would be enough of a reason........ I like what I'm seein'

 

Since your sentence implies the Phantom isn't a real LSD, what exactly is it and how does it work?

 

Hey guys, since I have the same problem of no LSD with the 6sp, I called Quaife America and asked them for a part number for our cars. They didn't have one but they would be willing to make a run of them and create a part number for our application if we got enough people to order one. I was told 30 would be enough, but they might still do it if we come close. They would need a donor diff to measure up. Anyone have an extra lying around? BlackBIRDVQ??... I purchased a Phantom Grip for my wife's Integra LS 5sp but never got around to installing it. (didn't want to rip apart the daily driver and run into problems and not get it back together for work on monday) Now that I have the Max, I guess I'll try the install.... Does anybody know for sure if the stock LSD will fit in the non-LSD trans? I've heard from others that it won't. Can someone verify this??

 

In my region more automatic maximas Auto-X than stick ones - don't generalize.

 

Same Maxima with a 5spd or 6spd will OWN a Autotragic Max. U might be OK in a slow speed autoX where U can hold 1st longer- I aint sure what the top speed is in 1st gear on a AUTO, but I *think* its about 40MPH- so same as a 5spd Max. I usually run Kumho Victoracers so I launch and go... can't get a launch out of a auto like U can with a manual. Drag racing AUTOs are more consistant. For some of us road racing junkies, auto would probably slip after a season of hard runs. U have to consider Road Racing puts ALOT more stress on the car than autoX, drag racing.... U are on the track for 20min straight. If ya run lets say 5 sessions of 20 min, thats 100 min of real fun. Do that about 5 times a year and the auto tranny will not last for long, maybe if U install some kinda auxillary trans cooler. Autos are great for traffic jams :P not racing.

 

Are you on crack ? You can launch an auto max as well if not better than the stick one. And yes I'm OK in Auto-X and yes I have an auxiallary tranasmission cooler big enough for an RV. Yes same maxima would be faster with a stick than an auto at higher sped- but who said anything about being "same". There's no road racing anywhere near me so could give a flying **** how my car would do in it , plus doing it in a ny maxima is kind off... strange, being as heavy as it is.

 

From personal experience on Sentra SE-Rs 91-94 and 95-97 200SX SE-R the Quaiffe is a step up from the stock VLSD- (viscous limited slip diff) but the Green spring Phantom Grip performs even better and faster than the Quaiffe. Have U priced out the Quaiffe diff (1000-1300) ? U also need to make sure the end play clearance is right on when U install a new diff, or U will end up with diff walk. Diff walk will get louder- kinda like a wheel bearing, then it will start to destroy the case- at that point the bearings are already shot inside the whole tranny. Then U will have tranny poping out of gear problems, weird gear engagement etc... with a PhantomGrip U remove the stock diff- very eassy on a Maxima compared to a Honda, per say- 6spd or 5spd Honda tranny. U install the PGrip on the stock diff, and then slide the stock diff with the PGrip into the tranny. Use some RTV to seal back the tranny up- good idea to get new Axle seals, and fill it up with Redline Shockproof Medium Tranny fluid. U don't have to worry bout diff clearance like when installing the new Quaiffe diff, cause U have reused the same diff that was in there

 

No I'm not on crack, but most Maximas I get to drive- TRADE INS at work with auto trannies- other than the 3.5L can't even spin the damn tires off the line- especially with stock 17s. I have driven auto 3.5L Altimas and Maximas and I disslike them. Why would ya wanna race a automatic ? As far as Maximas being heavy, my car weights about 3000lbs when it was stock.... I've shaved good 100lbs off the car right now... Its lighter than a AWD DSM, its also lighter than 350Z.... so now 350Zs are no good in racing cause they are heavy ? Check the curb weight on a 00/01 GXE 5spd Max vs a 350Z. Manual trannies have FAAAAR less failures compared to automatics. Why pay for something that makes my car slower, weaker (WHP), gets less MPG, and breaks down with some hard driving. I reather spend the 350 bux on a ACT clutch kit vs 2K dollars for a Auto tranny.

 

Here are the specs for a BASE 350Z 6spd right off Edmunds.com
--Exterior--
Length: 169.6 in. Width: 71.5 in.
Height: 51.9 in. Wheel Base: 104.3 in.
Curb Weight: 3188 lbs. Gross Weight: 3815 lbs.
---Here are the specs for a 00 Max right off Nissans Site ...
---CURB WEIGHTS---
GXE
SE
GLE

Manual transmission
3,186
3,199
-

Automatic transmission
3,235
3,245
3,294

 

im not sure exactly how the phantom grip differs from a "real" lsd since i know that all it does it lock the axles together, splitting even power to both.

i have heard (from integra owners at least) that phantom grip is not really good. may be different for the max but i have heard it being called phantom slip.

i do know one thing, there are a few good deals you can get which are few, but for the most part, you get what you pay for...

-some food for thought...

 

Nobody said that autos are better at racing, you said that auto maximas don't auto-X and road race - and that is not true. Then you turn around and make an argument that autos shouldn't race, and again that's a matter of choice, no matter what you say about curb weight etc. maxima is not even in the same class as 350z (GS vs. BS in auto-X if memory serves me), I dare you to race a well driven Z raw time. And if it is your choice to race an inferior vehicle, why do you oppose my choice to do the same with mine? A lot of national auto-X champions run automatics, especially in B prepeared.
Oh yeah, and my automatic car will spin all the way through the second on summer tires unless the concrete is covered with VHT... it is quite troublesome actually.

Oh yeah, here's an interesting PhantonGrip test results from Nissan Performance Mag. http://nissanperformancemag.com/november02/phantomgrip/

 

My SE-R spins 5th gear on concrete in this weather on summer tires ? point ?? No point at all.... cause summer tires in the winter spin no matter what. I don't like automatic trannies. Its for people who are lazy and can't drive stick. Sorry but true, go to europe and see how many cars including the high end BMW, Benz and Audis come in manual. 350Z is not in the same class as a Maxima, but I diss like them, why ? cause I used to have a Z32 TT- real Zs have Turbos.

 

How much power does you SE-R make? thats a he11 of a claim. So b/c I own an Automatic maxima I can't drive a stick? I didn't buy my Maxima with intentions on racing it but I got into it after it was already purchased, and guess what I have made it just as quick and fast as any manual on this board all motor. I can't wait to see your 12.8's are you claiming that all motor or some sort of FI?

 

12.8 on NOS. My SE-R made 547WHP, go on the SR20Forum and look me up... It was on a 54C block and 54C head, SR20 engine. I been into Nissans for a long time now... Maxima is my daily driver. Personally I like the SR20 engine better cause it can make way more power cheaper.

 

this is a thread bout Phantom Grip, not some drag racing thread. Anyone can go straight, I like turning also. Run ur Auto vs my sloooow 3.0L 5spd on a track like Road America.... like I said everyone likes something else.. I just happen to like road racing.

 

Can we get back to the original post and stop hijacking every thread. Autos vs manuals have nothing to do with the benefits/downfalls of the phantom grip. I for one am throughly interested in this phantom grip but you guys are ruining the thread. Can somebody else please add more information on the phantom grip and it worthiness as a mod?

If your going to bicker do it through private messages....

26 messages on this thread and not one solid answer has been given. Come on guys lets worry about the topic at hand...

 

Mdloops, you might find this thread interesting.....

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=289792

 

This is interesting. So can someone explain exactly how this Phantom Grip works, and what type of reliability people have seen with it?

 

Nice ...So it seems you're the only member here that has had experience with this phantom grip. One question I have is would you prefer it over Nissan's VLSD 95-01 or HLSD for the 02-04?

Matt

 

Search on google buddy...I bet there is only one or two on this whole forum that have had experience with the phantom grip which isn't enough opinions to sway a decision to order it. I also see you're from Fayetteville...what year Maxima do you drive?

 

Man....back on topic....

Well I ordered it yesterday....someone has to step up! I'll let you guys know how it goes. It'll be a few weeks before I get it in.

I don't know about "green" springs. There's an upgrade spring pack you can buy, but they list the springs that it comes with as "good up to 350hp" which is more than my max is likely to be pushing anytime soon....so I'm just going to go with that for now. I'll go check the price on the upgraded ones and order them if they're not too expensive.

The NOPI price was $298, plus $31 for shipping...wish me luck.

On a side note, NWMaxima is having a drag meet in Portland...so I'll be able to test it out at the track as well.

 

Doc, are those 00-01 taillights on your 02 Max?

 

Here is info from www.phantomgrip.com

Phantom Grip serves two distinctive functions in your street or race vehicle. First, it functions as a disc-type limited slip in cornering and braking. Disc plates exert pressure against spider gears using spring pressure to regulate the amount of slippage at the wheels. Helping to accelerate earlier, while exiting corners at a higher speed.

Secondly, the Phantom Grip works as a locker in hard acceleration. The disc plates pivot, locking spiders, causing both wheels to exert equal power to the road, providing less torque steer than an ordinary differential. With over 120,000 miles of testing, there has been no significant wear of these plates. Although seemingly simple, the 'Phantom Grip design' offers as much maximum traction as other limited slips. The Phantom Grip is extremely strong and durable and comes with a Lifetime Warranty for breakage and manufacturer defects.

"Disclaimer of Warranty"---WARNING: Installation of any Phantom Grip component or kit should be performed by persons experienced in the installation and proper operation of transmission and drivetrain products. Purchasers expressly affirm they are relying upon their own skill or judgment to select and purchase Phantom Grip limited Slip conversion kits. Warranties are void against incorrect installation, or modifications done to Phantom Grip units.

Lifetime warranty is pretty damn sweet, that way you do not have to worry about the LSD. You might have to worry about your spider gears, probally not though. I think you should have got the race spring, only 30 dollars more, it increases the pressure against the spider gears for an even more evn distrabution of torque. Have you seen maxima axles they are totally different sizes, that might be the problem with maxima owners getting wheel hop besides weak motor mounts. Traction bars would help with wheel hop also.

 

Why yes, they are. Tight, eh?

Sounds like the Phantom Grip should work out fine...

 

Between the 00-01 tailights and smaller grill emblem, looks like you are trying to fool potential road racers that you have a 3.0 instead of the 3.5 under the hood. Clever.....

 

Since the 95-01 VLSD trannies are different than the regular ones in terms of size, how will this affect the installation of the Phantom grip? Does this mean they have to make 2 different units for the 4th gen? I wouldn't mind upgrading my stock VLSD unit since I hear it can't handle that much power. They mention that their unit is cheaper than others, and the fact that it costs like 1/3 of the Quaife makes me question it's integrity. However, that lifetime warranty sounds nice.
Also, with regular 4th gens having different length axles, how would this affect the LSD unit? How would my VLSD axles affect it? So many questions....