Just Got S-Tech I konw I Have to cut the bump stop about 60% so i can get a nice ride but will stock sturts and shocks give out fast ?


And how good are S-Tech in performance some say its to low but low is better from what i see.

What would be better koni yellows or to tokiko illuminas ?

 

Tein S-Techs are great, I have them. I didn't trim my bumpstops like I should but getting used to the somewhat stiff ride. Once you trim them, the ride will smooth out a bit. Trimming the bumpstops won't hurt your struts and won't give out fast. They are low, 2.2" up front and 1.7" in the back. Look at my homepage for pics.

Tokico Illuminas are sweet struts. Adjustable a little stiffer than the HP blue series.

The Koni Yellows are way stiff. Only get these if you plan on taking your Max to a track all the time. KYB GR2's are nice and Cattman Performance is offering a group deal on these right now.

 

cool thanks

 

PM 92SER 02SE

He has had teins/GR2's for over 12k now and is realizing that teins aren't all that.

The teins are now, at 12k causing the GR2's to wear prematurely early

 

Heath, GR-2's are not meant to handle that severe of a drop. People getting or that have Teins should spend the money upfront and buy either Illuminas or AGX's. GR-2's will ultimately blow when paired with Teins. Because of this, and also because of all the rough roads in NY, I decided to stick with Eibachs and GR-2's, and skipped on the Teins.

 

hmm interesting take on the subject, kirk....so what do you say for all these ppl with teins and gr2's??

 

now i dont know what to get anymore i was going to go with gr-2's but now that you brought this little point up i might reconsider.

 

You can only expect to get about 8000 miles with your stock struts and Teins. That is on pretty flat and smooth roads. Could be less depending on your location. During that time, save up for some Illuminas.

 

just drive carefully and your stock shocks will last. ive gone almost 20 k on mine, and my car has 70k.

 

Do you bounce down the road? How about when going over dips or large bumps? There is no way to go 20k miles on Teins with stock struts and still have a good ride unless you just get use to it.

I've had my Teins on the stock struts for 7k and there is a night and day difference from when i first put them on. It still does well on smooth roads, but give them some dips or jacked up pavement and you know it. I drive normal and most all the roads down here are smooth. I was going to add a set of Illuminas but the Teins will be coming off in a few weeks and replaced with something a little better.

 

so tokiko illuminas would be a better buy ?

 

That is what i would go with if i was going to buy struts / shocks.

AGX= You have to use 4th gen springs. Modified 5th gen or stock 4th gen upper mounts have to be used.

Koni= Front is only an insert. You have to cut, drill, and file the OEM front strut housings and remove strut guts.

Illumina= bolts right on. GR-2 and HP are about a 2 - 2.5 on the 1 to 5 adjustment scale.

 

With Tein's I'd go with Illumina's all the way.

GR-2's are only warrantied for life for a drop up to 1.5 inches. There must be a reason why they would state this.

 

Nathan, can you provide proof of this? I don't see that GR2's are guaranteed for life on www.kyb.com, or ANY guarantee for that matter

thanx

 

from the day i put on the springs till now, the ride has been the same. Really Rough. but i expected that, so i wasnt dissapointed. you really cant expect much comfort with semi-decent springs that drop you so low. If i had the money, i would take these off in a heartbeat and get JIC's. Springs just dont do it for me

 

who told you that? Not one of the GR-2s is leaking. The car is a tad bit bouncy, but i think i got a good 10K or so left in them. ANd the TEINS are all that, its just the struts cant handle the drop. All i need is another year out of them so that i can get the TEIN SS coilovers...

 

Tein S-techs will most likely destroy any struts you put them on. They will toast stock, GR2s, and HPs in less than 10k for sure. And they will probably *** up yellows, agxs, and illuminas pretty quick too. Lets face it people, Tein S-tech are not good performance springs. When you have .6-.7" of wheel travel before bottoming out (assuming you cut them bumpstops a grip), you know your suspension isnt going to work right. Whatever struts you have will get messed up. I have illuminas and it specifically said, "YOUR TOKICO WARRANTY WILL BE VOID IF: you lower your vehicle too far (most cars can handle 1" to 1 3/4" MAXIMUM)." Tein S-techs drop the car 2.2 inches in the front. Think about it...

 

The shop I work for is a kyb dealer and in our catalogue it states that all kyb shocks (agx, gr-2, gas adjust) are warrantied for life as long as there used for non-commercial use. It also says somewhere about the 1.5" drop. If I get time I'll scan the warranty page for you.

 

When you say "Teins are all that" do you mean they look cool because they slam the car to the ground or because they perform really well? Im sure its not the latter so I assume you just mean they look really really low. You said yourself that the struts cannot handle the drop. Doesn’t that tell you something about the quality and design of the springs? Seriously man, about half of your 1600+ posts were about how great teins are. Teins are not all that, and I explained why. Now its my turn to post ***** a little.

I got a joke for you: What did the five fingers say to the face?

 

I purchased my GR2's as a stopgap to the eventual Illumina production. I just need to get off my a$$ and buy the Illumina's now. I wouldn't be surprised if my front struts are worn well beyond their normal limits...

 

let the grow ups talk...

 

Honestly man, you have been one of the biggest proponents of Tein s-techs on the boards. I think the whole tein s-tech thing is a fad that will blow over when people start to realize that teins do not "own all", despite popular opinion. If you can explain to me that Tein s-techs are better than Eibachs, I will ditch my eibachs in a millisecond and switch to Tein. The problem is, you can’t. Teins look low; Eibachs and H&Rs perform well. If you want looks at the expense of performance handling buy Teins. If you want true performance buy Eibachs or H&Rs. If you like teins for looks thats totally cool, just dont use the blanket statement "tein ownz" in every thread on springs. I've read that soooo many times, and people get the impression that Tein S-techs are good performance springs.

Teins are not good performance springs for the following reasons:
Tein s-techs drop the car 2.2F/1.6R. This leaves only .6-.7 inches of wheel travel before the coils hit each other or the bumpstops hits the housing (that’s with the bumpstops cut at least 50%). This means if you do any performance driving (i.e. the reason you modify your suspension), you will bottom out. I would be scared to put s-techs on my illuminas because the way I drive, I would bottom out everywhere, probably break my front bumper, and blow my struts within six months. The correct spring rate, damper, and wheel travel make a good suspension. Just because the car is low, doesn’t mean it will handle well. Eibachs or H&Rs with Koni adjustables or illuminas are the best options for the maxima short of JIC coilovers. I hate to burst your bubble but that’s the truth. If I am misinformed, please correct me! Sorry if I offended you by poking a little fun. I bet nobody got the reference anyway, o well. So this is my argument against Tein s-techs. Please, if you so strongly believe that "teins are all that" give me your grown up explaination of why they are the best springs for our cars. Like i said, I will switch to tein immediately if you can show me that they will out-perform my eibachs.

 

Well, you certainly showed me. Damn i just got ow3nd. I guess i better go buy some Tein S-techs right away since they are all that.

 

92 SE-R 02 SE,
No response huh? Good. Maybe you will shut up about your tein s-techs for a while.

 

Werd Eibach/Illumina BuDDy

 

 

Glad some people appreciate my commentary on tein s-techs.

 

yes..you are so smart that you shut me up...get a life

BTW..i bought my S-techs NOT for PERFORMANCE but for looks. I dont give a S.h..i.t about what you think. I have no plans to take my max on a road race course...yet...And..when i do, i will have TEIN SS. TEINS are the nicest drop out ther PERIOD. I dont need to justify anything to you. congrats on being #7 on my ignore list. Idiot.

 

thats the WORST drop out there!

 

explain.??....almighty person that knows all

-J

 

i hate when people and dont back their s*!T up....2kgle obviously thouroghly explained his arguemnt then you come and say well 2k2whitemaxi your drop sucks

real good.....welcome to 2nd grade....and you can put me on your ignore list too.......real mature way of dealing with little arguments

-J

 

Rob, you are a good guy but honestly teins are **** springs....they look nice but I do believe that in the long run-they will kill any strut they come in contact with

IMO stay low and when you cop some JIC FLT1's like me we can at that point post pics and say our drops own all

 

so the s-tech i for performance Suck but for looks are good. so do i keep the s-tech or sell them?

 

Teins rock!...thats what i am sitting on now and i love them

 

The performance is just as good if not better than any other coil spring available.

 

The bottom line is that people with teins (me) knew damn well that when I got the s-tech I would have to sacrafice some of the ride quality for the Awesome beautiful drop they give. I set my Illuminas on 1 in front 2 in back-and guess what? The ride is comfortable unless im smacking into a pot hole or a sunken man hole cover. But lets think- thays exactly how it is with any loweing spring.

You guys with you 1 inch drop can keep explaining to people what you mean when you tell them your car is lowerd and they tell you with a confused look that it looks stock height. but when you look at a car w/ s-tech you know right away w/out a doubt that the car is nicely dropped.

its also funny people who never had the s-tech can honestly say what is better.

Ive had both.

 

I've ridden the majority of the springs out there, and I couldn't be happier with my S. techs.

 

cool so ill keep the s-tech and see how it works

 

wow..the emoticon should run rampid on this thread... Look. and LISTEN IDIOTS....the TEIN S-TECH DROP is the CLEANEST drop....PERIOD. I DID NOT BUY THEM FOR PERFORMACE....can you fukin retards READ...yeah..NO is YOUR friend. NIce drop for the street..and when my max goes road racing..(most of you idiots dont know what that means ) i will be on FULL TEIN C O I L O V E R S....

 

Ok, so basically it seems like we agree. You said yourself that your struts cannot handle the drop of Tein s-techs, and you also finally said that you didn’t get them for performance…just looks. Now if in every thread where you simply posted something to the effect of “TEINS ROCK!” you had said, “The way Teins look rocks but they aren’t great performance springs and they will destroy your struts” people might have a slightly different impression of these springs. I don’t have anything against people with teins; Im sure a lot of people take my criticism of these springs the wrong way. What I have a problem with is when you tell everyone these are the best springs out there when they only “own” in the looks department. I didn’t buy springs for looks. I bought illuminas and eibachs strictly for performance. In fact, my car looks bone stock (except for the slight drop) and that’s the way I like it. It keeps me out of trouble in my neighborhood. I was seriously considering getting Tein S-techs until I did some research and realized I would have very little wheel travel which wouldnt meet my performance needs.

ps - This is a web forum designed to help people share information about their maximas. How on earth have you managed to make enemies with 6 people? I dont consider anyone here to be my enemy and there are no names on my ignore list. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but there is something wrong with post whoring and unhelpful criticism. An example of unhelpful criticism is "thats the WORST drop out there." Now if you said, "i think thats the WORST drop out there because it does not look low enough for my taste" that would be an example of constructive criticism. Please post in a more constructive manner in the future.