remember i had second dibs after maximadave!

 

some little teaser pic for you guys....this is a 3D cadd model of what the mounts will look like, and then a small piece of the email describing the design procedure:



Marco,

Not sure how the other "solid" mounts are made completely (place racing), but as you can see, we put load grooves in the bushing so that it is only contacting on three thin points at first but when you dump it then it deformes to full contact. We used this on the mitsubishi eclipse and had success with that.

in simple terms, hte idea is that while not under strenuous use, the mount material is not under full contact of the mount, avoiding the transfer of vibrations to the car/driver/etc... but when you push on it (slam on gas, drive fast, etc...) the mold deforms to provide a full contact witht he mounts. that's where the 3 grooves come into play. as you can see, this "comfort" issue with idle vibrations has been considered and has worked in the past. anyone as hyped as me?

 

I got wood.

 

you're up man...maximadave never got back to me...you were the 2nd 6speeder on the list...email me...we'll work on details....mgalvis01@hotmail.com

 

when will the bushings be avalible ?? I can't wait to get rid of that bump steer in the back of my car. When I corner and hit a bump the rear end gets upset and bumpsteers too eassy. I noticed that other cars with rear beam do the same, but its reduced alot with the help of bushings.

 

It's nice to hear that more parts are coming.

 

so when can I get my ES motor mount inserts ? I wanna do suspension on my car with new bushings also..... whats the hold up ? Any info from ES ?

 

we used to get nasty bump steer on B14s with the beam in the back... my Max gets the same thing. Its basically when going over uneven pavement and the rear axle shifts when doing its job- absorbing irregularities in the road.

 

Well...thats on thing to look at. Im wondering about something else though...remember that intake manifold project Ethan tried a while back & how it didnt work due to hook clearance
If these new motor mounts lower then engine by 5/8" is that going to give enough room to fit say...the 350z manifold in there or was the clearance issue much larger then that?

Its worth a shot, **** talk about taking out 2 birds with 1 stone. That would be sweet for the 3.5 guys...

 

So what's approximate price range on this stuff?

 

as soon as I get the OK from energy suspension to post up the photos, i'll post em later today coming along nicely

 

gyeah...did they give you any idea of pricing yet?

 

nope...


JIC's

shifter bushings anyone?

 

Ignore the dent, it's getting fixed

Our friendly neighborhood Energy Suspension R&D guy

 

bling bling I guess we are getting our bushings soon ! sweet. Cant wait till I can torch out my old bushings for the new stuff.

 

Chinkzilla, are these bushings going to be interchangable for the A33? Are the motor mount inserts in the works? Much props for being the donor on this. Peace_

 

not sure if bushings are interchangable for A33, should be unless there was some kind of upgrade between 5 and 5.5 gen. motor mount inserts have been developed as well, picking up my car today i'll give my initial impressions later.

 

Suspension is identical on the A33s, the swaybar is thicker on the 3.5s vs 3.0s. So U can't use the swaybar bushings off a 3.5 on a 3.0L. I doubt ya going to notice a diff from sway bar bushings at all. I belive motor mounts are same on the 3.5Ls as the 3.0Ls, I compared a 00 I30t vs a 03 GLE and they looked indentical- even the plugs for the electronic mounts where the same. I am trying to rig up a shifter bushing off a B13/B14 Sentra into a 5spd Manual Maxima for better shifter feel. ES makes that one too.

 

just got back from florida, so i'm finally catchin up to all this...couple days in south beach can really put someone out of commission

in anycase, just hit up the energy guy up, and i'm sure i'll catch up with dennis(chinkzilla) tomorow so we should have some more info fairly soon. this looks to be complete VERY soon though so let's see.

 

so i just got my car back from energy, don't feel like retyping everything so i'll just paste my conversation with larrio
Chinkzilla03: just got my car back from energy
SupeRLariO: really?
SupeRLariO: how is it
Chinkzilla03: it's badass!
Chinkzilla03: feels like a bmw now
SupeRLariO: haha
SupeRLariO: how so
Chinkzilla03: turn in is cripser
Chinkzilla03: car responds to minute inputs in steering
Chinkzilla03: FAR less understeer
Chinkzilla03: in fact i think it oversteers a bit
Chinkzilla03: feels like the rear wants to swing out
Chinkzilla03: overall road imperfections are not nearly as jarring
SupeRLariO: wow
Chinkzilla03: i think the bushings actually absorb a lot of it whereas the softer rubber before would just let everything rattle around
SupeRLariO: do they need a 2k-2k1 car?
SupeRLariO: hehehe
Chinkzilla03: they put shifter bushings in too
SupeRLariO: cool
Chinkzilla03: the shifter feels SOOOOOO much nicer
Chinkzilla03: it 'clicks' into place now
Chinkzilla03: instead of before it felt like i was strangling a rubber chicken when i shift
Chinkzilla03: a bit more effort and a little notchier
SupeRLariO: hahahah
Chinkzilla03: but much more defined
SupeRLariO: so how different is the suspension between u and me
Chinkzilla03: i think the same i just have a bigger front swaybar

Anyway, the energy guy said he's got a couple sets of other bushings (not sure where they go) he's still getting molded so i'll probably come back next week to pick em up. The cable shifter on the 2k2 has 10 bushings that they replaced. The result.... no more rubber chicken! I did NOT install the motor mounts because I still have a lot of TSB's and a couple recalls I need to take care of, didn't want the nissan tech's freaking out and voiding my drivetrain warranty. I'll probably put them in at the same time I do my headers.

They also said they couldn't make the front swaybar endlink bushings because the stock ones are solid.

Hang tight for about a month before their sales department releases pricing and availability. Basically even though it's already on my car, they're still finalizing R&D.

 

I am going to order up a set of motormouns ASAP for my Maxima, and I am also going to see if I can get the ES shifter bushing off a SE-R to work in our cars. It makes the shifter feel very solid compared to stock worn out 100K mile shifters like on my car.

 

just got off the phone with our man at energy. seemed real happy that everyone was going smoothly. again, just recapping what dennis said. there are a few more bushings that they are adjusting simply because they were similiar to some sentra bushings they did, but after fitting them, they realized that they were'nt exact, so they're doing them from scratch.

onto the mounts. we have 4. they only did 2, the important 2. those take care of transverse torque, which is what we are looking for. because it's only 2, installation is rather quick. the other 2 hold up the motor, so we can remove the crossbeam containing the 2 other mounts, and not need an engine mount to hold anything up. this is cool for the DIYers. now, because dennis didn't wanna do the mounts, they're gettin put on my car. he's sending them over to me, and i should have them on my car within the week. once that is done, i'm gonna drive around on them for a few weeks. reason being, the mounts are pretty close to our manifolds/ypipe and they're just curious on how it handles the heat. so it's still under R&D. (note: if there are any CA guys with headers that want a free set of mounts, let me know, he has another set for you)

total bushings........we're looking at roughly 30 or so..i know..A LOT. but he said not to worry. the bushings are small. the shifter bushings are miniscule and that's why there are 10, but the number doesn't matter. what matters in the cost is weight and sleeves. about 75% of the bushings don't need any sleeves. they just slide right in, so that keeps cost down (no need to make metal sleeves). secondly, most of the bushings are small, so therefore they weigh little, which as i just said, is key to pricing, the weight. so overall, it's not bad at all. he's actually quite impressed with most of the bushings in the sense that nothing was too crazy. if i'm not mistaken, this is the first maxima that has a FULL kit done on it, as compared to just a front sway kit that was being sold for the 4th gens.

there you have it boys and girls. dennis seems to be psyched, and once i get my mounts and test them out, we should be nearing the end. this doesn't mean next week. this means we'll prolly be down a good month or so. i'm gonna need a good 2 weeks or so to test out these mounts. so just be patient, cause when t's all done, we're gonna have a very nice set of bushings...

 

I am willing, but i need to see all the details.

 

dude, you're about 2 months behind. this has been done. right now what we are looking for is a local CA guy with headers to wanna test out the mounts only.

 

PoLo, Does the setup still drop the motor 5/8" or any at all?

 

I would really like to know this as well. My y-pipe is already next to the cross member so dropping the engine would definately make it touch

 

I have a CALI spec with a main cat close to the mounts. It gets really hot too, I am willing to test it out for them. But I'm in IL. Eighter way I'm down for a full set.

 

as long as it gets past my car, then i dont' think we should have a problem. he only wants to test a headers-ready car cause that would be the biggest extreme. if it can get past the headers, then we're 100% sure. there shouldn't be any reason for them not to, but that's the idea behind R&D.

my testing the mounts will prove 3 things:
1) handle the heat
2) see if the vibration transfer issue is noticed, although with energy's design, most of the vibrations should go unnoticed. i am testing to prove this.
3) although it shouldn't adjust the height of the motor due to only the lower 2 being replaced (the side 2 hold the height of the engine, the lower 2 control the forward/backward movement) i am still checking to make usre that they simply settle well and actually does the job it's supposed to!!

there ya go biotches.

 

i got a 5sp supercharged with headers if they're interested....

 

Will the motor mount inserts get rid of clutch chatter that is inherent to an ACT setup?

 

i may be wrong on this... but clutch chatter could not possibly be related to motor mount inserts. Clutch chatter is inherent to clutches, not motors. Its relative to your pressure plate and clutch clamping force

 

I know I am far behind on this thread...but is a 5spd 5th gen going in for prototyping on shifter bushings (which is primarily the only different parts between a 5th and 5.5th cars) or is it possible to send in the necessary bushings to be produced. The market is much larger for 4-5th gen 5spds then 6spders so it should make business sense to them?

 

there is a 5spd that will soon go in. the only reason a 6spd was done is simply because i had written to them awhile ago and only until recently did they finally get in contact with me. i own a 6spd, so all the information that i gave them was in regards to a 6spd. we had a local 6spd guy, and there ya go, that became the prototype. as we continue, we will expand. 5spd guy next, then hopefully move onto 4th gens, etc... this is going to be a huge project. we're not talking just motor mounts. every suspension bushing that can be replaced, will.


UPDATE:

motor mounts should be arriving very soon. i will be testing them out during the next few weeks. i'm also receiving the 2nd test set of shifter bushings, which by dennis's review, is the best thing we could have gotten, giving the shifter a less notchy feel and more firmness. adjustments are beign made to the bushings that were made. once dennis brings the car in and has those put on, and once it is confirmed that all pieces are good, straight swaps, and all that snazzy stuff, and then after i report back with the motor mounts report, we should be a go. this is still awhile away, but at least you're gettin the updates as i get them.

 

Do they need 4th gen development funds?

 

i'm ready to purchase the shifter bushings for the 6speed...are they being offered to the general public yet??

 

not yet...bushings for hte rest of the suspension are being made, motor mounts are being tested (just got mine yesterday, check the other thread) and the only reason i got the shifter bushings was simply cause i pretty much helped start this whole thing.

 

cool thanks Marco, please let us know when they are avaliable