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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 06:28 AM
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What type of rotor replacements?

I am needing to replace my badly warped rotors on a 2000 GLE. I was thinking of replacing them with some cross drilled rotors. Can anyone give me some thoughts on which rotors I should go with. Price is somewhat of a concern. Also, when using these new rotors, will it require me to replace any other braking component(s)?

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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 06:36 AM
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Powerslot is really popular w/ ceramic pads
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 07:36 AM
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PowerSlot, Stillen, Brembo, etc. There are alot available for the 2k/2k1's. Unfortunately for us 2k2/2k3 guys PowerSlots, Stillen and AutoSpecialty are the only game in town. I just put on PowerSlots and they look very nice and stop much better than stock.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Virus
PowerSlot, Stillen, Brembo, etc. There are alot available for the 2k/2k1's. Unfortunately for us 2k2/2k3 guys PowerSlots, Stillen and AutoSpecialty are the only game in town. I just put on PowerSlots and they look very nice and stop much better than stock.
What pads are you using? Would OEM pads work nice with powerslots? I am looking into doing some replacing as the pulsating is irritating...
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 08:14 AM
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Yes you can use stock, but once you get new rotors may as well get new pads
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 08:33 AM
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Thanks for the info!

Thanks for all the replies guys. Yeah, I was wondering if desperado was talking about replacing the thing that holds the pads in (as well as the pads). The thing that is visible through my rims (calipers?). I was wanting to paint that red or black (not sure which would go best with my Black Max). But would prefer to just replace OEM with some nice aftermarket jobs if the price is right.

Has anyone done this on a Black (or otherwise) Max? If so, what color looks best. Any pictures?

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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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Everyone was advising me to get the Raybestos QS's. They are ceramic. This combo is excellent on sound and dust. I also need to replace the rear rotors and pads, but Raybestos doesn't make QS's for the rear so I may go OEM. I'm sure the Hawk and Axxis both stop better than the Raybestos, but after several years of trying metal pads, I would rather have a quiet pad and ceramic is the only way to go.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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Everyone was advising me to get the Raybestos QS's. They are ceramic. This combo is excellent on sound and dust. I also need to replace the rear rotors and pads, but Raybestos doesn't make QS's for the rear so I may go OEM. I'm sure the Hawk and Axxis both stop better than the Raybestos, but after several years of trying metal pads, I would rather have a quiet pad and ceramic is the only way to go.

I use Morse Friction Master on my Maxima. They are ceramic, and the rears p/n is CMX905. They produce virtually zero dust, and stop VERY well...

Also, 2 year free replacement if they glaze/crack...whatever.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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I use Morse Friction Master on my Maxima. They are ceramic, and the rears p/n is CMX905. They produce virtually zero dust, and stop VERY well...

Also, 2 year free replacement if they glaze/crack...whatever.
Where did you get them?
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Virus
Where did you get them?


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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 03:01 PM
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Check out the BlehmCo brake kit just finished by Matt Blehm....listed in the GD section...it lets you use the bigger 2k4 rotors with your stock calipers. I'm ordering them soon!
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by irish44j
Check out the BlehmCo brake kit just finished by Matt Blehm....listed in the GD section...it lets you use the bigger 2k4 rotors with your stock calipers. I'm ordering them soon!

Raybestos brake pads are not that good as what folks told me ... they felt nice just after I replaced them but having driven 10K miles it performs as bad as OEM pads just before being replaced. I would do some good research on pad/rotors before changing them.

For sure, Raybestos is not for me!!!
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Originally Posted by Virus
Where did you get them?

Sorry for the delay...

Advance Auto is where I got them.
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Just installed the Powerslots this past weekend. I got the EBC greenstuff pads for the front and put OEM pads on the rear. I havn't driven it yet because when I was doing the rear calipers I didn't know that the piston turns clockwise back into the caliper to reset it. So know I have to wait til this weekend to finish the job. I'll let you guys know how this set up works once I drive it

Oh yeah....Mike1g, look in the group deal section. There is a group deal that just started up again on crossdrilled/slotted rotors, very reasonably priced. Infact, I was going to go with it but at the time they didn't have the rotors for the 02's.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 05:38 PM
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I had Wagner ceramic pads from NAPA on my old 4th gen and they worked great. They also have some sort of warranty guarantee. I've yet to replace the pads in my 5th gen.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 05:59 PM
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I would really advise against getting the rotors in the GD section. They are made from Chinese iron which is far inferior to American iron and they will warp. It's unfortunate because AutoSpecialty as early as 6 month ago made fantastic rotors. They were bought around Xmas time and switched materials immediately as a cost cutting measure. PowerSlots are really the way to go at this time. I hope the Raybestos hold up. They are very quiet and don't produce much dust at all. Stopping is very good, but I'm positive that the Hawk and Axxis are better. I just couldn't deal with the noise associated with them.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 06:29 PM
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I have Raybestos QS front pads and Raybestos rotors all around... the Raybestos rotor + pad combo warps just like an OEM. Sure wish I hadn't gambled the $$ on those, since I'm going to be replacing the fronts with possibly OEM 2k4 rotors and a decent semi-metallic pad (Axxis?).

The rears are good, though. Raybestos QS pads work well on the rear, although they will warp the rotors too if you have any rear brake problems (i.e. stuck caliper/parking brake cable/etc), however this point is moot since ANY rear rotor/pad combo will warp if it sticks.

Also FYI, Raybestos rotors are made in Canada. Not sure whose iron they use
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 06:52 PM
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Where can i buy powerslots for the best price. I cant seem to find them anywhere at a price lower than 100 per rotor.
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 07:01 PM
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Ask for Jessica. She is awesome. I got my fronts for $78 a piece with $14 2 day delivery on the front set. You will have to be patient though. They are on backorder with her. I've been waiting a couple weeks for the rears.

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Old Mar 10, 2004 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Virus
I would really advise against getting the rotors in the GD section. They are made from Chinese iron which is far inferior to American iron and they will warp. It's unfortunate because AutoSpecialty as early as 6 month ago made fantastic rotors. They were bought around Xmas time and switched materials immediately as a cost cutting measure. PowerSlots are really the way to go at this time. I hope the Raybestos hold up. They are very quiet and don't produce much dust at all. Stopping is very good, but I'm positive that the Hawk and Axxis are better. I just couldn't deal with the noise associated with them.

Which GD and which rotors are made from chinese iron?
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AutoSpecialty, PowerShot, TRW are all the same rotors
Old Mar 10, 2004 | 07:50 AM
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Avoid: Powerslot, any crossdrill rotors, etc

Just get some brembo blanks or other full rotors. Ignore those worthless xdrilled or slotted rotors.
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Originally Posted by Driven EF9
Avoid: Powerslot, any crossdrill rotors, etc

Just get some brembo blanks or other full rotors. Ignore those worthless xdrilled or slotted rotors.
This is an educated statement. Please provide us with proof that xdrilled or slotted rotors are worthless.
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Originally Posted by Driven EF9
Avoid: Powerslot, any crossdrill rotors, etc

Just get some brembo blanks or other full rotors. Ignore those worthless xdrilled or slotted rotors.

I looked for the best rotors for the my car for about a month. Every road led me to, Powerslots!! If you take a look around and read some write-ups on brake rotors you will find this out and I'm not just limiting myself to threads on the org.


Also, do not be confused on the 2 names out there. "Powerstop" and "Powerslot". Powerstop is a nockoff brand that is just a regular rotor, known to be made of less quality, and used to be crossdrilled or slotted by a 3rd party. Where as, powerslots are the known slotted rotors that have proven track record.
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This is an educated statement. Please provide us with proof that xdrilled or slotted rotors are worthless.
educated and experienced.

Proof? Prove that they are BETTER for decreasing stopping distances (this will be difficult, because they don't).

Also, what creditials do you have? What experience do you have in racing or racing applications? Please do not post street races or drag races as experience.

Yes, slotted rotors help remove the gassing of the brake pads and rotors.

Yes, x-drill rotors do the same.

No, they do not effectively increase fade resistance.

Brakes work by what? Friction. How do you give brakes a better chance to slow the vehicle down, create more friction.

What do x-drill/slotted rotors lack (in comparison to OEM based blanks)? Material.

So, how can you possibly achieve shorter stopping distances on a street car with slotted/x-drilled rotors, when you have reduced the friction content that allows the brakes to work?

And fade resistance? how many of you TRACK your maximas? the cost of casted cross-drilled rotors far exceeds the benefits on a street car. Track cars use x-drilled rotors because they tend to replace them a bit more than a daily driven car...why? because x-drilled rotors crack far more than oem blanks.

Originally Posted by jimz02max
Where as, powerslots are the known slotted rotors that have proven track record.
yes, a proven track record to take people's money and do nothing for a street car, except make it look "prettier".



but, what do i know, i just make uneducated comments without any real world experience or data to back up my asinine statements.
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Originally Posted by Driven EF9
Avoid: Powerslot, any crossdrill rotors, etc

Just get some brembo blanks or other full rotors. Ignore those worthless xdrilled or slotted rotors.
i 2nd that. i have tried the drilled/slotted. lasted about 20k. i replaced them with brembo blanks, 5k ago. no probs yet. you can't get the drilled truned-down..at least not in my area...
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speaking of brakes, would you guys do a 300zx tt caliper swap?
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Originally Posted by 30585
speaking of brakes, would you guys do a 300zx tt caliper swap?

Yes, because they provide a better caliper than the stock setup. There is a special going on right now (for 5th Gens) with a custom bracket, 300zx calipers, and '04 Maxima rotors (which are thicker than the current stock setup).
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Originally Posted by 30585
speaking of brakes, would you guys do a 300zx tt caliper swap?
I've got the 300ZX TT calipers on my car and love them. Especially since I slao updated the rotors at the same time. My new rotor is the bigger one, the small rotor is original that was on my 2000 SE. Now THIS is extra material. Per Quicksilver's post right above mine, this is exactly what I have.

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Originally Posted by kwd2kSE
I've got the 300ZX TT calipers on my car and love them. Especially since I slao updated the rotors at the same time. My new rotor is the bigger one, the small rotor is original that was on my 2000 SE. Now THIS is extra material. Per Quicksilver's post right above mine, this is exactly what I have.


I forgot the 2000-2001 models had smaller diameter rotors up front as well, and the '04 front rotors are larger than the 2002-2003 fronts in diameter and thickness...

Better for heat dissipation...
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I made no comments that they were any better or worse than Brembo blanks, I just wanted you to prove they were worthless. For a 2k2/2k3 owners, they are really our only choice for a good rotor for both front and rear. For 2k or 2k1 guys, I would say that PowerSlots are too expensive and don't provide enough benefit to warrant the higher price. My rotors warped after 14k, I had them turned and now at 34k they were horrendous. After reading numerous opinions and reviews on the PowerSlots, I found them to be the best price/performance rotor for my 2k2.

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
I forgot the 2000-2001 models had smaller diameter rotors up front as well, and the '04 front rotors are larger than the 2002-2003 fronts in diameter and thickness...

Better for heat dissipation...
The 2000/2001 are 11.0" diam, the 2002/2003 are 11.5" diam, both of them are 26mm thick. The 2004 are 12.6" diam and 28mm thick. Yes, much better heat dissipation. To me, if you're going to increase the capability of the front brakes for the relatively heavy Maxima with less chance of warping rotors, why not do it right and increase the amount of metal you are using in the rotors. The '04 rotors are an economical upgrade. Enough said, do it once and do it right. Here's the links you want, 1st with stock calipers, 2nd with 300ZX calipers, both using the 2004 rotor.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=291150
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=275821
Old Mar 11, 2004 | 08:36 AM
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I've also noticed that from what I've seen on TV and at the Petite last year, SCCA & Lemans cars for the most part no longer use drilled, just slotted.

The one of benefits I noticed about slotted is the sweeping action of the slots gives them more even wear and less grooving while being less prone to glazing. But they will not give you much benefit in stopping distance. You choice of pad would effect that the most. Anything significant would come from a complete upgrade.

Someone posted in one of the GD treads that not only was AutoSpecialty bought out but that some how PowerSlots were related to the same company. I don't if that's fact or not.

mike1g also asked about painting the calipers as well.
I've found that Hi-Temp paint not only offers a good appearance but doesn't cost much at all. Total cost is under $10.00. You need the paint, brake cleaner, some grease and a blowtorch. Yes a blowtorch.
All of the Hi-Temp paint I've seen needs to be cured at temp, 650deg for 1hr. Some can be cured at a low temp but the duration is longer. To do it properly you would need to basically do a complete caliper rebuild so you could bake the parts in an oven.
What is much easier is to remove the rotors (if your buying new ones this is the time to paint) and take all the hardware off the calipers. Pads, clips, boots and all. Then put the caliper back on the car using the greasy mounting/slide pins and bolts with out the boots. The grease will make it easy to wipe any paint off that you get on them. Now clean the caliper with break cleaner and a toothbrush. Let them dry and paint, 3 light coats will work. Then break out the torch and wave the flame across the painted areas, KEEP the torch moving DON'T stop in any one place for any period of time. Just keep waving the flame for a couple of minutes and it will be completely dry to the touch. Then reassemble every thing and your done. Remember to re-grease the slide pins.
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It was me and I said PowerShots not PowerSlots I hate close names.
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It was me and I said PowerShots not PowerSlots I hate close names.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
I hate close names too. More so when one is a knock off.
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Originally Posted by 30585
speaking of brakes, would you guys do a 300zx tt caliper swap?
As others have said, yes. I would recommend a bigger MC for modulation, but, i'm not sure if there is a bigger factory fit MC available for the Maxima. the 300zx require more pressure, therefore a larger MC would help.


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You choice of pad would effect that the most.
Well, stickier tyres are the best way to decrease stopping distances. Best way, as in, most affordable.
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What do x-drill/slotted rotors lack (in comparison to OEM based blanks)? Material.
I thought the reason for x-drilling/slotting was to releive and gas pressure between the pad and the rotor thus giving more friction?

I dont have any experience with these rotors so there is no need to tear me up over it. This was just my understanding. But your right, less material will heat up faster causing warpage.

Are there any floating disks available for the max with stock calipers?
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Since you mentioned that PRICE is a concern, I would go with the following:

Brembo Blanks ( available at tirerack or Nopi) $51 each
Hawk HPS pads (available at tirerack) $61 a set

I went with this setup several months ago for my 2000 max se.


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i have slotted brembos.. they don't rust,, and are more durable..
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Originally Posted by Virus
I made no comments that they were any better or worse than Brembo blanks, I just wanted you to prove they were worthless. For a 2k2/2k3 owners, they are really our only choice for a good rotor for both front and rear. For 2k or 2k1 guys, I would say that PowerSlots are too expensive and don't provide enough benefit to warrant the higher price. My rotors warped after 14k, I had them turned and now at 34k they were horrendous. After reading numerous opinions and reviews on the PowerSlots, I found them to be the best price/performance rotor for my 2k2.

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Hav you installed PowerSlots? Were the warped rotors mentioned above - stock ones?



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