Is 300HP possible and reliable w/o NOS???
#41
I did not mean to turn this into a dyno war, I was just wondering what it would take to get 300hp at the crank or if it was even possible with the 3.5. I see now that it is possible and from what I have read these motors can handle about 550hp on the stock block, so that's all I needed to know, I figure with a few mods and a healthy shot of Nitrous, I'll be close to 400-450hp, so for a weekend play car, that's fine with me. It's my wife's car anyway, and she likes the gas mileage, so that's why we are going to just put the basic bolt ons on it and then add the Nitrous later.
#42
Originally Posted by Rafe
How do you figure a Maxima mod for mod will beat a 300ZX TT. A stock 300ZX TT come with 300HP/289 TRQ. Our Maxima has 255Hp/240TRq. Do you realize when i had my TTZ just a JWdual pop intake, greddy exhaust, JW ecu, lighter flywheel , greddy dual blow off valves, blitz ilarge intercooler netted me shy over 400+HP/390+whp . And that wasn't even touching internals.
Originally Posted by Rafe
For you to even get that much HP in a mAX you will have to have a supercharger or turbo w/ serious internals under your hood and it will cost you more than just 1800 to achieve it.
Originally Posted by Rafe
The MAX can't hold a candle to a 300ZX tt stock or modded. Period.
#44
But the final drives on each tranny are different. Thats how they maintain similar top speeds. We have sat there and tried this many times on a dyno. The top gears of each transmission top out within 1mph of another. The auto actually topping out higher.
#45
Originally Posted by Rafe
How do you figure a Maxima mod for mod will beat a 300ZX TT. A stock 300ZX TT come with 300HP/289 TRQ. Our Maxima has 255Hp/240TRq. Do you realize when i had my TTZ just a JWdual pop intake, greddy exhaust, JW ecu, lighter flywheel , greddy dual blow off valves, blitz ilarge intercooler netted me shy over 400+HP/390+whp . And that wasn't even touching internals.
For you to even get that much HP in a mAX you will have to have a supercharger or turbo w/ serious internals under your hood and it will cost you more than just 1800 to achieve it.
The MAX can't hold a candle to a 300ZX tt stock or modded. Period.
For you to even get that much HP in a mAX you will have to have a supercharger or turbo w/ serious internals under your hood and it will cost you more than just 1800 to achieve it.
The MAX can't hold a candle to a 300ZX tt stock or modded. Period.
You're also wrong about the internals. A stock VQ has enough internal strength to handle the previously mentioned 550whp. Anything at all beyond that will require only new pistons and rods.
#46
Final gear on the 6spd is 3.812. Even if you multiply them they aren't the same.
E55 guy at least try to keep your story straight. First you said the ratios were the same and you proved that by racing. Then you said they are infact different with the AUTO trapping a bit higher. Which one is it then?
E55 guy at least try to keep your story straight. First you said the ratios were the same and you proved that by racing. Then you said they are infact different with the AUTO trapping a bit higher. Which one is it then?
#47
Originally Posted by SR20DEN
Where did I say "mod for mod"? And saying modding the Maxima is a waste of money comapred to a 300ZX TT is a load of crap. Since when are those cars cheap to mod? You bring me ANY stock or slightly modded 300ZX TT and I will beat it at the track 95% of the time. Those cars are heavier and the VG30s make inherently less torque. I have ridden in my fair share of 300ZX TTs and I haven't been impressed with any stock ones.
You're also wrong about the internals. A stock VQ has enough internal strength to handle the previously mentioned 550whp. Anything at all beyond that will require only new pistons and rods.
You're also wrong about the internals. A stock VQ has enough internal strength to handle the previously mentioned 550whp. Anything at all beyond that will require only new pistons and rods.
TT are not cheap to modify, but it helps when you know people in the right places to afford perfromance parts for the TTZ. I know you would beat a stock or slightly modded TTZ, but anything over stage 3 on a TTZ , i seriously doubt it. The Vg30TT can also handle 500whp before replacing internals as well.
#48
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
lets see the dynos....a stock 300zx is not as fast as you make it out to be. Maybe you forgot the weight difference.
obviously you have no clue what you are talking about, but whats new from reading your other posts. Since when do you need internals to run a FI on a Maxima lol...again clueless. A turbo maxima with completely embarress a stock TT or even a similar modded one as you posted above. They are boats and aren't that fast stock.
Again completely retarded SR20DEN would destroy a stock TT 300zx and he has around $700 in performance mods and is all motor. 300zx's are overweight and overrated by people like yourself.
obviously you have no clue what you are talking about, but whats new from reading your other posts. Since when do you need internals to run a FI on a Maxima lol...again clueless. A turbo maxima with completely embarress a stock TT or even a similar modded one as you posted above. They are boats and aren't that fast stock.
Again completely retarded SR20DEN would destroy a stock TT 300zx and he has around $700 in performance mods and is all motor. 300zx's are overweight and overrated by people like yourself.
Aren't that fast stock? Get off the crack dude...... a stock TTZ puts out 0-60 times of 5 sec on a good day and a 5.5 on a bad day. Can your Maxima stock even pull a 5.5 on a good day? The TTZ would destroy a 350 Z on a bad day buddy. Lets look into the 1/4 mile runs, on a good day anywhere from mid to high 13's , on a bad day low 14's.And thats stock, can your car pull those numbers without the juice? Even with the weight that the TTZ has to carry, it will own you every which way but right!
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
#49
Originally Posted by Rafe
Aren't that fast stock? Get off the crack dude...... a stock TTZ puts out 0-60 times of 5 sec on a good day and a 5.5 on a bad day. Can your Maxima stock even pull a 5.5 on a good day? The TTZ would destroy a 350 Z on a bad day buddy. Lets look into the 1/4 mile runs, on a good day anywhere from mid to high 13's , on a bad day low 14's.And thats stock, can your car pull those numbers without the juice? Even with the weight that the TTZ has to carry, it will own you every which way but right!
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
Here is a site for your leisure....http://www.300zx.cl/
#50
Originally Posted by SR20DEN
With a small invenstment these cars will beat a 300ZX TT and be more reliable doing so. If you feel your car is a waste of money then perhaps you should get rid of it.
#51
Yeah, it (maxima) cant compare to a 300zx stock, but modded it will definatly match or beat it (dont know about from a stop, but highway it shold put up a good challenge). Mods for the vq are only starting to come out. With time it we will see.
Originally Posted by Rafe
How do you figure a Maxima mod for mod will beat a 300ZX TT. A stock 300ZX TT come with 300HP/289 TRQ. Our Maxima has 255Hp/240TRq. Do you realize when i had my TTZ just a JWdual pop intake, greddy exhaust, JW ecu, lighter flywheel , greddy dual blow off valves, blitz ilarge intercooler netted me shy over 400+HP/390+whp . And that wasn't even touching internals.
For you to even get that much HP in a mAX you will have to have a supercharger or turbo w/ serious internals under your hood and it will cost you more than just 1800 to achieve it.
The MAX can't hold a candle to a 300ZX tt stock or modded. Period.
For you to even get that much HP in a mAX you will have to have a supercharger or turbo w/ serious internals under your hood and it will cost you more than just 1800 to achieve it.
The MAX can't hold a candle to a 300ZX tt stock or modded. Period.
#52
Does it really matter now? I mean we see they are not the same, but they are very close to each other...
Originally Posted by DAVE Sz
Final gear on the 6spd is 3.812. Even if you multiply them they aren't the same.
E55 guy at least try to keep your story straight. First you said the ratios were the same and you proved that by racing. Then you said they are infact different with the AUTO trapping a bit higher. Which one is it then?
E55 guy at least try to keep your story straight. First you said the ratios were the same and you proved that by racing. Then you said they are infact different with the AUTO trapping a bit higher. Which one is it then?
#53
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Why even waste your money...buy a Twin Turbo Z or something. At least if you put money into those for HP, you get your money's worth. You have to put some big $$$ to get any descent HP out of these cars..Same goes for the 350Z...big $$$$
#54
Well, the trust me, once SSR comes out with the turbo kit for the maxima, well be able to push out more than the 500hp.
Originally Posted by Rafe
I never said that the Max was a waiste of money to modify, that was the other guy.
TT are not cheap to modify, but it helps when you know people in the right places to afford perfromance parts for the TTZ. I know you would beat a stock or slightly modded TTZ, but anything over stage 3 on a TTZ , i seriously doubt it. The Vg30TT can also handle 500whp before replacing internals as well.
TT are not cheap to modify, but it helps when you know people in the right places to afford perfromance parts for the TTZ. I know you would beat a stock or slightly modded TTZ, but anything over stage 3 on a TTZ , i seriously doubt it. The Vg30TT can also handle 500whp before replacing internals as well.
#55
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
lets see the dynos....a stock 300zx is not as fast as you make it out to be. Maybe you forgot the weight difference.
obviously you have no clue what you are talking about, but whats new from reading your other posts. Since when do you need internals to run a FI on a Maxima lol...again clueless. A turbo maxima with completely embarress a stock TT or even a similar modded one as you posted above. They are boats and aren't that fast stock.
Again completely retarded SR20DEN would destroy a stock TT 300zx and he has around $700 in performance mods and is all motor. 300zx's are overweight and overrated by people like yourself.
obviously you have no clue what you are talking about, but whats new from reading your other posts. Since when do you need internals to run a FI on a Maxima lol...again clueless. A turbo maxima with completely embarress a stock TT or even a similar modded one as you posted above. They are boats and aren't that fast stock.
Again completely retarded SR20DEN would destroy a stock TT 300zx and he has around $700 in performance mods and is all motor. 300zx's are overweight and overrated by people like yourself.
Bro what are you talking about...your freaken funny...Have you even driven a Z or even been a passanger. My point was cheapness in hooking up the car.. If i had a twin turbo Z and we were both given $1500 to hook up our rides(bolt on stuff) who do you think would end up with more HP...thats all I'm saying...what kind of HP could you get for a $1500 for a max without ripping out the engine. The stock 255hp on the max is fine with me. I made that decision the day i bought it
#56
But this whole argument kind of doesnt make sense, each of these cars have a different purpose. Your car was specifically built for speed and is running a 0-60 with 2 turbos. 2. Our cars are N/A. Comfortable, and roomy. Your car was already modded with a turbo when you bought it thats why you dont need to replace internals until you hit a certain HP amount.. Our cars werent. So theres a lot of things to look at from both sides.. but you 300zx guys have had a lot of time to get mods for you cars, but not us.. give us a few years and youll see how much power we can pump out of our 3.5.
Originally Posted by Rafe
Aren't that fast stock? Get off the crack dude...... a stock TTZ puts out 0-60 times of 5 sec on a good day and a 5.5 on a bad day. Can your Maxima stock even pull a 5.5 on a good day? The TTZ would destroy a 350 Z on a bad day buddy. Lets look into the 1/4 mile runs, on a good day anywhere from mid to high 13's , on a bad day low 14's.And thats stock, can your car pull those numbers without the juice? Even with the weight that the TTZ has to carry, it will own you every which way but right!
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
#57
Originally Posted by Jimmy Gardner
I did not mean to turn this into a dyno war, I was just wondering what it would take to get 300hp at the crank or if it was even possible with the 3.5.
The engines are strong and can handle a lot of abuse (mine at least has).The weak link, that many of the boosted 350z people are finding out, are the rods. Mine have held strong (knock on wood), even when pushing 11.5 pounds of boost.
#58
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Bro what are you talking about...your freaken funny...Have you even driven a Z or even been a passanger. My point was cheapness in hooking up the car.. If i had a twin turbo Z and we were both given $1500 to hook up our rides(bolt on stuff) who do you think would end up with more HP...thats all I'm saying...what kind of HP could you get for a $1500 for a max without ripping out the engine. The stock 255hp on the max is fine with me. I made that decision the day i bought it
#60
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Just curious...does anyone know how much a full turbo kit would cost for the maxima...I'm thinking big bucks????
#61
Blubyu2k2 may be on crack, but some of you peopel are high. He said if its a turbo maxima versus a turbo 300zx. Now they playing field is even, turbo versus turbo... Chances are, with even 1500 buck like pearltt was saying, we coud still have more hp in a maxima compared to a 300zx. Think about it, a 300zx is at 300hp, and a maxima is already at 255hp. Turbo the maxima up and well have around (im gonna pull this out of my a$$) 350-400 or more (cant remember what ssr said about how much hp well gain). Now lets see what happens if we drop in the $1500.
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Bro what are you talking about...your freaken funny...Have you even driven a Z or even been a passanger. My point was cheapness in hooking up the car.. If i had a twin turbo Z and we were both given $1500 to hook up our rides(bolt on stuff) who do you think would end up with more HP...thats all I'm saying...what kind of HP could you get for a $1500 for a max without ripping out the engine. The stock 255hp on the max is fine with me. I made that decision the day i bought it
#63
Originally Posted by Cutlr7
There are auto 2k2 maximas stock running what a stock TT manual can run, try again.....
Ok..stock maxima 255hp stock TT Z 300hp.......uuuuhhhhh...ok..your right...maybe your thinking of the NA Z which is 240 or something...your killen me!!!!
#64
Well any turbo kit for any car will cost big bucks.. i think itll be around 4.5-5 grand.
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Just curious...does anyone know how much a full turbo kit would cost for the maxima...I'm thinking big bucks????
#65
Originally Posted by Rafe
I never said that the Max was a waiste of money to modify, that was the other guy.
TT are not cheap to modify, but it helps when you know people in the right places to afford perfromance parts for the TTZ. I know you would beat a stock or slightly modded TTZ,
but anything over stage 3 on a TTZ , i seriously doubt it.
The Vg30TT can also handle 500whp before replacing internals as well.
#66
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Ok..stock maxima 255hp stock TT Z 300hp.......uuuuhhhhh...ok..your right...maybe your thinking of the NA Z which is 240 or something...your killen me!!!!
#67
Cutlr7, i think you accidentially said auto maximas run what 300zxtt run....
Originally Posted by Cutlr7
yes, power to weight ratio. TTs are piggys, don't even start. I know what they can do, my buddy had one that ran 12s on street tires so don't start. There are at least 4 manual maximas on this board that run right at 14.1 and trap almost 100 in the 1/4. Don't bring a NA Z into this, my SER can ***** slap those all day
#68
Originally Posted by Rafe
Aren't that fast stock? Get off the crack dude...... a stock TTZ puts out 0-60 times of 5 sec on a good day and a 5.5 on a bad day.
Originally Posted by Rafe
Can your Maxima stock even pull a 5.5 on a good day? The TTZ would destroy a 350 Z on a bad day buddy. Lets look into the 1/4 mile runs, on a good day anywhere from mid to high 13's , on a bad day low 14's.And thats stock, can your car pull those numbers without the juice? Even with the weight that the TTZ has to carry, it will own you every which way but right!
Originally Posted by Rafe
Trust me i like Maximas alot but the TTZ can kick tail stock or modded. You need to do your home work before you start knocking other cars ,especially the TTZ.
#70
Originally Posted by Pearltt
Bro what are you talking about...your freaken funny...Have you even driven a Z or even been a passanger. My point was cheapness in hooking up the car.. If i had a twin turbo Z and we were both given $1500 to hook up our rides(bolt on stuff) who do you think would end up with more HP...thats all I'm saying...what kind of HP could you get for a $1500 for a max without ripping out the engine. The stock 255hp on the max is fine with me. I made that decision the day i bought it
#71
OH BTW, here is for all us maxima supporters.. According to car-stats.com there are no 300zxtt that can run 0-60 in 5 seconds. There was one lucky stat that said 5.2, but all the others are like 5.5 5.8, and 6. So I dont understand why you would think this car is so great when its running that slow.
#74
Originally Posted by Oxidizer2k
OH BTW, here is for all us maxima supporters.. According to car-stats.com there are no 300zxtt that can run 0-60 in 5 seconds. There was one lucky stat that said 5.2, but all the others are like 5.5 5.8, and 6. So I dont understand why you would think this car is so great when its running that slow.
I think its 5.1 or 5.2 i forget....what do our Max's run at
#75
LOL, thats some funny ****.. "too much cold air" Calm down man, you are having too much fun. I h ave yet to see a stat of a 300zx run mid 13. All of them are high 13s.
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
you need to do your homework before you try and knock anything Mr. I can change maxima cams in 45 mins....or my SES light came on and "Autozone" told me it was a too much air code . Or hell maybe man Quicksilver was right manually shifting my automatic makes me sooper dooper fast. You sir are the idiot. I never said a 300zx tt didnt have potential, I just said they arent nothing to blow your load over stock. A TT car running mid to high 13's isn't very impressive in my book.
#76
Originally Posted by Oxidizer2k
LOL, thats some funny ****.. "too much cold air" Calm down man, you are having too much fun. I h ave yet to see a stat of a 300zx run mid 13. All of them are high 13s.
#77
Hell I know YOU do.. But I think he said "There are auto 2k2 maximas stock running what a stock TT manual can run, try again....." I thought he accidentially said auto. I didnt know auto maximas were getting low 14s stock.
Originally Posted by blubyu2k2
actually I run faster than a 300zx tt STOCK!
#78
Originally Posted by pimpjuice
BOOST will get you there.
The engines are strong and can handle a lot of abuse (mine at least has).The weak link, that many of the boosted 350z people are finding out, are the rods. Mine have held strong (knock on wood), even when pushing 11.5 pounds of boost.
The engines are strong and can handle a lot of abuse (mine at least has).The weak link, that many of the boosted 350z people are finding out, are the rods. Mine have held strong (knock on wood), even when pushing 11.5 pounds of boost.
I'm glad we can have these type of discussions in the 5th gen section again.
#79
it was 5.2.. But that seems to be a fluke for some reason because all the other 0-60 stats are slower.. But im not sure. Out maxes are pretty quick for a 4 door and front wheel drive.. I think 0-60 for manual in 6 seconds.. and 6.3-6.5 for auto.. im not sure about the auto though, most of the stats i see are for the manual.
Originally Posted by Pearltt
I think its 5.1 or 5.2 i forget....what do our Max's run at
#80
Just food for thought,
Currently the record (or at least that I'm aware of) for HP on a Z32 is about ~800RWHP on the Dyno. Its owned by Z1 Motorsports.
Fully built motor, costs maybe about the price of a new Maxima.
I would love to see the day any Maxima pushes over the 500HP dyno marker and runs reliably.
Currently the record (or at least that I'm aware of) for HP on a Z32 is about ~800RWHP on the Dyno. Its owned by Z1 Motorsports.
Fully built motor, costs maybe about the price of a new Maxima.
I would love to see the day any Maxima pushes over the 500HP dyno marker and runs reliably.