Superchargers on 2000 Maximas
09-28-2000, 03:33 AM
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Re: Careful . . . careful . . .
09-28-2000, 05:45 AM
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Yeah buy everyone that replied to that had a 4th gen
and in the stillen catalog the 5th gen S/C is a diff. order# than the 4th gen. My question is, are there any problems with the 5th gen, there is no doubt that there is a problem with the 4th gen. Or maybe stillen just uses diff. O#'s in their catalog but they may actually be the same. hmmmm I think I will check on that.
09-28-2000, 09:42 AM
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The order numbers are different, but they use the same supercharger. From what I can see, the differences are the tubing, mounts, and brackets.
5th gen tubing goes across the car and down to make a CAI-like intake, while the 4th gens have their intake right next to the sc.
5th gen tubing goes across the car and down to make a CAI-like intake, while the 4th gens have their intake right next to the sc.
09-28-2000, 09:54 AM
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think.
not only do people have problems with stillen's v2, ppl are having problems with their y pipes, and also rotors. i dont' care if they can make a good fstb cuz it's not hard. and i heard eibach makes the rsb for them. so stillen. good name bad products. imo. i'de stay away from them. unless i get things for cheap. or free. hehe. i'm sure other companies will come out with superchargers in time. jwt has a prototype turbo for us 5th gen's i'm not sure if it's in production yet but you can easily get a custom made turbo for any car. so i say go turbo since alotta ppl are having doubts about the stillen sc.
09-28-2000, 02:57 PM
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sure
slap all stillen parts on if you "don't" want to keep your car. hehehe. they arent' all that bad. i hear their body kits are not all that bad. however i find it wavey. if you look at it real hard they are not smooth. perhaps it's the body shops fault tho. but i really don't believe a good body kit needs any touchup work, just paint. and i assume their stainless steel break lines can't bea that bad either.
10-04-2000, 08:50 PM
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I've wanted to purchase a sc kit from Stillen but have become hesitant due to all the negative reviews given by this forum. I called stillen today to question them about all the problems with the sc kit. first, they did acknowlege the problems, but only on automatics. As a matter of fact, they make any auto owner sign a waiver if they still want the kit. The extra boost plays havok on the auto. torque converter. They assured me that the sc kit on a 5 speed WILL be trouble free. I can expect to make about 345 hps which is 295 hps AT THE WHEELS!!!
Can anyone verify that the problems exist only on automatics as Stillen claims?
Can anyone verify that the problems exist only on automatics as Stillen claims?
10-04-2000, 09:24 PM
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Put yourself in this situation... you have a product to sell and your customer doesn't know much about it. Would you stretch the truth just to sell it and make big $$$ from commission?
IMHO, if you have the money to burn and want the headaches that come with it... more power to you.
I don't suggest getting it yet (cuz I would've gotten it if there were no probs). Jane97se has the SC on her 97 max (auto) and she has LOTS of problems. I know this first hand...
IMHO, if you have the money to burn and want the headaches that come with it... more power to you.
I don't suggest getting it yet (cuz I would've gotten it if there were no probs). Jane97se has the SC on her 97 max (auto) and she has LOTS of problems. I know this first hand...
10-05-2000, 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by ChaCha
I've wanted to purchase a sc kit from Stillen but have become hesitant due to all the negative reviews given by this forum. I called stillen today to question them about all the problems with the sc kit. first, they did acknowlege the problems, but only on automatics. As a matter of fact, they make any auto owner sign a waiver if they still want the kit. The extra boost plays havok on the auto. torque converter. They assured me that the sc kit on a 5 speed WILL be trouble free. I can expect to make about 345 hps which is 295 hps AT THE WHEELS!!!
Can anyone verify that the problems exist only on automatics as Stillen claims?
I've wanted to purchase a sc kit from Stillen but have become hesitant due to all the negative reviews given by this forum. I called stillen today to question them about all the problems with the sc kit. first, they did acknowlege the problems, but only on automatics. As a matter of fact, they make any auto owner sign a waiver if they still want the kit. The extra boost plays havok on the auto. torque converter. They assured me that the sc kit on a 5 speed WILL be trouble free. I can expect to make about 345 hps which is 295 hps AT THE WHEELS!!!
Can anyone verify that the problems exist only on automatics as Stillen claims?
10-05-2000, 05:35 AM
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SCC had the Stillen 5th gen pace car for PPG...
And it had the works on it. Intake, Y-Pipe, exhaust, you name it-in addition to the SC. It was putting out 307hp to the wheels at about 6psi, I think. So yeah, 295hp is prolly a bit optimistic for no other mods and running at only 5.5psi.
10-05-2000, 06:11 AM
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If they would just provide some proof, instead of givign me the run around, I would have a much better impression of their operation. It seems to me as though Stillen is a fast talking type of shop. If claims are being made, there needs to be some sort of backup documentation. How can they print all these claims (in the catalog even), and not even have testing handy to prove them! When I inquired about the plots, I was told I was the first person to ever ask for them!?!?!? What? You mean no other Maxima enthusiast out there is going to at least see what his $4k is buying before handing over the cash? I dont buy that for a second.....Something is fishy!
10-05-2000, 04:42 PM
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SC on 2k Max
I am planing on adding the supercharger to my 2k max here in the spring as well. I was at a local shop here in Texas who had another 2k max however it was an auto. They had just added the SC to it and the only problem they found was that the idler pully had a slight squeek when the AC was on. This is not enough to deter me from purchacing the unit however. Nor is it the limit of mods I plan to do. But for the most part I am keeping evrything else in my car Stillen free. I also plan on modding the SC a bit once it is done.
But the quoted power output I will say is very optamistic. The auto I was looking at with no other Mods Dynoed at 250hp to the ground. A 2k 5speed should hit about 15hp to 30hp more than that.
But the quoted power output I will say is very optamistic. The auto I was looking at with no other Mods Dynoed at 250hp to the ground. A 2k 5speed should hit about 15hp to 30hp more than that.
10-06-2000, 10:50 AM
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I just recieved a dyno plot from Stillen on a 2k 5 speed with the blower. Something is fishy about it though as mathematically they dont work out right. Power and Torque values MUST be equal (when the units are HP and ft lb) at 5252 rpm. Power at any rpm can be calculated this way, and again, the plots just dont jive.
(The basic formula is:
Power = (2 x PI x RPM x Torque) / 33000,
where Power is in HP, PI =3.14159, and Torque is in ft lb.
Thus, if an engine, ANY ENGINE, makes 155 lb ft of torque at 4000 rpm, the power ouput at that same 4000 rpm is necessarily 118 hp. On Stillen's chart, a torque of 155 ft lb at 4000 rpm equates to 152 hp! Mathematically impossible!
(The basic formula is:
Power = (2 x PI x RPM x Torque) / 33000,
where Power is in HP, PI =3.14159, and Torque is in ft lb.
Thus, if an engine, ANY ENGINE, makes 155 lb ft of torque at 4000 rpm, the power ouput at that same 4000 rpm is necessarily 118 hp. On Stillen's chart, a torque of 155 ft lb at 4000 rpm equates to 152 hp! Mathematically impossible!
10-06-2000, 10:52 AM
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BTW -
The Stillen supplied dyno chart (wheel hp from a Dynojet) gave the following for a 2k 5 speed Maxima:
Max Torque 231 ft lb @ 5800 rpm
Max Power 281 hp @ 6400 rpm
This is for an otherwise stock car, with no mods other than the charger. These are the numbers as reported to me. See the post above.
The Stillen supplied dyno chart (wheel hp from a Dynojet) gave the following for a 2k 5 speed Maxima:
Max Torque 231 ft lb @ 5800 rpm
Max Power 281 hp @ 6400 rpm
This is for an otherwise stock car, with no mods other than the charger. These are the numbers as reported to me. See the post above.
10-06-2000, 06:50 PM
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Level 10 tranny will just lengthen the life of the tranny. There are certain levels of upgrade you can get (specific for the hp you're puttin down), but I don't know how much they cost. http://www.levelten.com
10-09-2000, 09:27 PM
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WARNING... You are approaching HEADACHES
I have a 2K auto maxima with a Stillen V2 S/Cer kit on it and I have had a TON of headaches with the blower and Stillen. Thanks to my "guinea pig" auto max, Stillen will not sell the V2 SCer kit to any owners with auto trannys ... Why?... Can you say serious liability risks!!! First and foremost the stock auto tranny CANNOT handle the power generated by the SCer unless you BEEF up your tranny ... as in upgrading the valve body, adding a tranny cooler, and adding a new TCU. Well my Stillen rep told me that the stock tranny would handle the power output just fine with no tranny mods. TOTALLY FALSE!! And the thing that gets me is that I specifically asked him this question prior to ordering the blower because it was a concern I had. The thing that Stillen screw up on is that they DID NOT disclose this very fact that I just described PRIOR to me purchasing the blower, but are so CAREFULLY WARNING ALL POTENTIAL BUYERS ABOUT NOW WHEN THEY WANT TO ORDER A V2 SCer KIT!! If one more thing goes wrong with my SCer I'm going to ask Stillen to take back the blower and refund ALL of my money. If they refuse at that point my attorney and I should have no problem eating their lunch. (And yes we do have some powerful ammunition to use in court if it comes to that!!) I've had tensioner pulley problems with my kit. Once it froze up and melted which in turn caused my belt to come off (Yes come off). More recently the tensioner pulley was causing the blower to sound really bad (like a diesel truck) so the geniuses at Stillen decided to rebuild the pulley with heavy duty, high quality bearings (which they should have done to begin with). At least for now my SCer has been running fine (the past couple of weeks) BUT I'll have to take a wait and see approach before I make any final judgements. In all fairness I do have to say that while it has been one big headache, Stillen has stepped up to the plate and reimbursed me for ALL the expenses that the SCer has caused me. The car has been running great for the past couple of weeks and I hope it continues to. My advice to you is to wait a while and let the guys in Stillen's R&D Dept. finish doing ALL their research (which by the way SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THEY MARKETED the supercharger) before you drop any $$$$ on the kit. Just my .02!!
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10-09-2000, 11:49 PM
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AUTO TRANNY!!!
I thought everyone knows that if you want to get a SC installed in your auto max, you should have your stock tranny upgraded....VB mod, tranny cooler..etc..
So, i don't understand why supercharging an auto max is still a problem???(besides liability of the sc kit), i mean there are many 4th gen auto max out there with SC kit and "according to Don, he has not seen any problems with the tranny if they did the upgrade"
So, does that mean even you do the upgrades above in 5th gen auto max, it's still not enough?????
I know besides those two upgrades, you can also get higher stall speed torque converter for auto max, does anyone know what else is there to upgrade besides all those three???????
Just curious...
So, Stillen actually has two versions of SC kit for 5th gen maximas??one for auto and one for stick since the airfilter assembly is different???is that rite??
So, i don't understand why supercharging an auto max is still a problem???(besides liability of the sc kit), i mean there are many 4th gen auto max out there with SC kit and "according to Don, he has not seen any problems with the tranny if they did the upgrade"
So, does that mean even you do the upgrades above in 5th gen auto max, it's still not enough?????
I know besides those two upgrades, you can also get higher stall speed torque converter for auto max, does anyone know what else is there to upgrade besides all those three???????
Just curious...
So, Stillen actually has two versions of SC kit for 5th gen maximas??one for auto and one for stick since the airfilter assembly is different???is that rite??
10-10-2000, 08:09 AM
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If you plan on getting the sc (I still believe they'll sell it once they fix all the probs), then get the vb recal, tranny cooler, and the tcm fixed.
The reason why we need so much is because of the slippage problem (probably doesn't apply to 2k1). The more power you add to the car, the more slippage you'll get. 4th gens don't have this problem (tcm), but it is still wise for them to upgrade their trannies.
Just my $.01 because my other $.01 was put into my car.
The reason why we need so much is because of the slippage problem (probably doesn't apply to 2k1). The more power you add to the car, the more slippage you'll get. 4th gens don't have this problem (tcm), but it is still wise for them to upgrade their trannies.
Just my $.01 because my other $.01 was put into my car.
10-10-2000, 01:32 PM
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SC 5 speed
5 Speed issues. Heck without a supercharger mine toseted at 4000miles on the odometer. And I hadnt even goten onto it yet. Lost the Clutch, Flywheel, Bell housing, and Input shaft. Then 8 days later the Clutch toasted again. (incoerrect repair the first time) But it hauls now.
Contemplating a Supercharger in March. As well as a few other mods. But for now the pop charger is just fine for haunting the DFW streets.
Contemplating a Supercharger in March. As well as a few other mods. But for now the pop charger is just fine for haunting the DFW streets.
10-10-2000, 08:38 PM
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Hey Stranger808
I was at a local shop here in Texas who had another 2k max however it was an auto. They had just added the SC to it and the only problem they found was that the idler pully had a slight squeek when the AC was on.
That was my 2K max you were looking at. Do you go by Alamo Autosport much? I you are interested I could meet you up at the shop and you could check out my ride.
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That was my 2K max you were looking at. Do you go by Alamo Autosport much? I you are interested I could meet you up at the shop and you could check out my ride.
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10-11-2000, 12:36 PM
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Hey DMan_2KMax
Hey
From what I have read on the boards it was you car that I saw at Alamo. I stop by there every so often to get parts. (Curently working on an 81 280zx 99 supercharged 4 runner, and my 2000 max se 5speed) And help with any ideas for my car.
From what I have read on the boards it was you car that I saw at Alamo. I stop by there every so often to get parts. (Curently working on an 81 280zx 99 supercharged 4 runner, and my 2000 max se 5speed) And help with any ideas for my car.
10-11-2000, 04:34 PM
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Chris was the guy who installed my supercharger. He is really knowledgable about cars and real nice to boot. I've been dealing with Bryce lately with my pulley problem but he seems to have fixed it so I'm happy. I'm going on week 3 with no problems. I'm actually running a little higher boost- about 7.5 lbs, Bryce thinks its because we tightened the belt real good. I really want to do the exhaust but I'm going to wait a while and make sure the SCer continues to run fine.
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10-23-2000, 07:03 AM
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Re: S/C problems
Originally posted by yo_its_ok
I've been a witness to what happens to S/C'd auto tranny'd maxima's and it aint pretty. Cost my customer $1,500 for rebuilt tranny, his car had 6,900 miles on the odo.
If you live on the east coast and willing to come out to NJ to Level ten I can get the hook ups for you.
email me yoitsok@aol.com
-DRIVEN
I've been a witness to what happens to S/C'd auto tranny'd maxima's and it aint pretty. Cost my customer $1,500 for rebuilt tranny, his car had 6,900 miles on the odo.
If you live on the east coast and willing to come out to NJ to Level ten I can get the hook ups for you.
email me yoitsok@aol.com
-DRIVEN
10-27-2000, 05:03 PM
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HOW MUCH
what am I looking at for a price on the stillen SC if it's over $3,000 I don't want to hear it. i havent had any problems with stillen so far but they strike me as the type of company that will tell you whatever you want to hear in order to sell you a part. How funny is Toy. anyone who gets that last sentence will know what I mean.