Big Brake Upgrade for the 02-03 maximas?
11-03-2004, 11:27 AM
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Big Brake Upgrade for the 02-03 maximas?
I wanna know if any of u guys know of a big brake kit around, or a do it urself like the 1 they did w/ the 98 cobra brakes on the 4th gen max......help me out guys i want bigger rotors, they look sexy bigger...
11-03-2004, 08:58 PM
#2
I don't know that much about brakes but check out this link... I think some guys on the Org have stuff from BlehmCo... including brakes and suspension mods... http://www.mattblehm.com/brakes.html
11-04-2004, 07:41 AM
#5
Originally Posted by JIC_A33
matts brakes dont work on the 5.5 gen, the calipers are different from the 00-01 unless you want to run the TTZ calipers..
11-04-2004, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by WildmanAL
I wasn't aware that Matts kit for using the stock calipers wouldn't work on a 5.5th gen. I have the 300zx calipers so I'm good anyway.
11-04-2004, 09:09 AM
#11
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Why would Matt's kit not work with the 04" caliper but work with the 300z caliper?
11-04-2004, 09:44 AM
#12
My mistake. But doesn't answer my question. The Z calipers and stock maxima calipers have the same "offset". So I don't know why one would work and one would not. Unless it's something other than the mounting. I can see some pad overhang over the rotor. Seems to be a bit more than it should. Is that what the pic is referring to? If it is that, then the Z pads would do the same correct?
Originally Posted by WildmanAL
I know you probably typed this by mistake, but none of Matt's kits use 04' calipers. They use 04' rotors.
11-05-2004, 02:14 PM
#15
Really? How's that? Were your calipers specifically manufactured for the maxima?? What have you done for the rear to make up for the huge front bias?
I wouldn't recommend going with those mix-n-match kits that use stock parts from other cars. Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
Originally Posted by TopElement
I wouldn't recommend going with those mix-n-match kits that use stock parts from other cars. Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
11-05-2004, 02:47 PM
#16
What front bias?? Please explain this to me. If these expensive BBKs do provide the greatly increased braking performance in dist and fade like you alude to, then there MUST be a much larger brake bias to the front of the car vs the rear. Exactly how could there NOT be? You can't have greater braking force in the front and not increase the bias.
You could install a Tilton bias adjuster. But since our bias adjusters are in the mc, you can only reduce the front brake force in the front with a Tilton unit. Which IMHO defeats the whole purpose of a bbk.
A better solution is to buy one of Matt93se's rear bbk to help get the bias back to stock ratios.
You could install a Tilton bias adjuster. But since our bias adjusters are in the mc, you can only reduce the front brake force in the front with a Tilton unit. Which IMHO defeats the whole purpose of a bbk.
A better solution is to buy one of Matt93se's rear bbk to help get the bias back to stock ratios.
Originally Posted by TopElement
How's what?
You know very well there aren't any aftermarket calipers desgin for the car, so that's a stupid question. However, the calipers were carefully chosen with the right pad depth, radial profile, sequential piston sizes, and total volume in mind. The standard rotors are much lighter than stock, and extreme track duty rotors can be specified, but with a slight weight penalty. And they are all heat-treated after machining. What huge front bias? It's very close to stock with the parts provided.
You know very well there aren't any aftermarket calipers desgin for the car, so that's a stupid question. However, the calipers were carefully chosen with the right pad depth, radial profile, sequential piston sizes, and total volume in mind. The standard rotors are much lighter than stock, and extreme track duty rotors can be specified, but with a slight weight penalty. And they are all heat-treated after machining. What huge front bias? It's very close to stock with the parts provided.
11-05-2004, 02:52 PM
#17
It's pretty simple. If these brakes provide more force to the front calipers and if the rear calipers have not been upgraded, the bias is moved to the front. Even if you use the stock calipers with 13" rotors, the braking force that the fronts now applies is increased to the front and bias is again moved.
11-09-2004, 02:52 PM
#18
Anyone? I'm guessing it's the excessive pad "overhang"?
Originally Posted by JIC_A33
matts brakes dont work on the 5.5 gen, the calipers are different from the 00-01 unless you want to run the TTZ calipers..
11-09-2004, 02:57 PM
#19
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
It's pretty simple. If these brakes provide more force to the front calipers and if the rear calipers have not been upgraded, the bias is moved to the front. Even if you use the stock calipers with 13" rotors, the braking force that the fronts now applies is increased to the front and bias is again moved.
11-09-2004, 03:00 PM
#21
What exactly do you mean "calipers are different"? Please explain the reason.
Originally Posted by JIC_A33
the 02-03 calipers are different thats why it does not work. I am now stuck with 04 rotors, but i will figure out and upgrade soon enough...
11-09-2004, 03:13 PM
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thats what matt told me..he tested the brakes on 00 and 01s thinking the 02+ were the same. they are NOT. the pic i posted proves it. what other answer you want?
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
What exactly do you mean "calipers are different"? Please explain the reason.
11-09-2004, 03:17 PM
#23
Ugh. You posted the pic. But you never said anything besides "calipers are different". That doesn't explain anything to me.
I GUESSED "because of the pad overhang?" You never stated if that was the right/wrong guess. I think it's the right guess.
I note in the pic that one pad is installed and the other is not. I assume that's to illustrate to show the amount of "pad overhang".
I assume mounting the caliper is not the problem as it looks like the bbk braket is mounted.
If you don't know fine. If you don't understand Matt's explaination, then say so. I just wanted to know the SPECIFIC reason. Not just a generic "caliper is diff" statement.
I GUESSED "because of the pad overhang?" You never stated if that was the right/wrong guess. I think it's the right guess.
I note in the pic that one pad is installed and the other is not. I assume that's to illustrate to show the amount of "pad overhang".
I assume mounting the caliper is not the problem as it looks like the bbk braket is mounted.
If you don't know fine. If you don't understand Matt's explaination, then say so. I just wanted to know the SPECIFIC reason. Not just a generic "caliper is diff" statement.
Originally Posted by JIC_A33
thats what matt told me..he tested the brakes on 00 and 01s thinking the 02+ were the same. they are NOT. the pic i posted proves it. what other answer you want?
11-09-2004, 04:37 PM
#24
Jeff,
The 02-03 Maximas have a larger stock rotor than the 00-01's do. The actual 02-03 calipers have longer arms which mount to the spindle therefore the overhang of the pad. In the pic above you see that when added to Matts bracket the 02-03 calipers hang that much further outboard from the hub. A easy fix would be to get some 4th gen or 01-02 calipers to make Matt's bbk to work on the 02-03 or you could just get the Z32 calipers and the bracket should work with the 12.75" 04' rotors.
I decided against any bbk as the stock 02-03 ~11.6" x ~1.0" rotor is beefy enough. I think Nissan learned there lesson with undersizing the brakes on the heavier 5th gens. With some decent HPS pads and stock turned rotors I have never had any stopping issues.
The 02-03 Maximas have a larger stock rotor than the 00-01's do. The actual 02-03 calipers have longer arms which mount to the spindle therefore the overhang of the pad. In the pic above you see that when added to Matts bracket the 02-03 calipers hang that much further outboard from the hub. A easy fix would be to get some 4th gen or 01-02 calipers to make Matt's bbk to work on the 02-03 or you could just get the Z32 calipers and the bracket should work with the 12.75" 04' rotors.
I decided against any bbk as the stock 02-03 ~11.6" x ~1.0" rotor is beefy enough. I think Nissan learned there lesson with undersizing the brakes on the heavier 5th gens. With some decent HPS pads and stock turned rotors I have never had any stopping issues.
11-09-2004, 04:41 PM
#25
Thanks for the complete reply AllGo. I agree. The maxima was always the heaviest Nissan that still used the single piston caliper and dinky thin rotors. In 2000, the maxima got too heavy and warped rotors were suddenly the rage.
Originally Posted by AllGo
Jeff,
The 02-03 Maximas have a larger stock rotor than the 00-01's do. The actual 02-03 calipers have longer arms which mount to the spindle therefore the overhang of the pad. In the pic above you see that when added to Matts bracket the 02-03 calipers hang that much further outboard from the hub. A easy fix would be to get some 4th gen or 01-02 calipers to make Matt's bbk to work on the 02-03 or you could just get the Z32 calipers and the bracket should work with the 12.75" 04' rotors.
I decided against any bbk as the stock 02-03 ~11.6" x ~1.0" rotor is beefy enough. I think Nissan learned there lesson with undersizing the brakes on the heavier 5th gens. With some decent HPS pads and stock turned rotors I have never had any stopping issues.
The 02-03 Maximas have a larger stock rotor than the 00-01's do. The actual 02-03 calipers have longer arms which mount to the spindle therefore the overhang of the pad. In the pic above you see that when added to Matts bracket the 02-03 calipers hang that much further outboard from the hub. A easy fix would be to get some 4th gen or 01-02 calipers to make Matt's bbk to work on the 02-03 or you could just get the Z32 calipers and the bracket should work with the 12.75" 04' rotors.
I decided against any bbk as the stock 02-03 ~11.6" x ~1.0" rotor is beefy enough. I think Nissan learned there lesson with undersizing the brakes on the heavier 5th gens. With some decent HPS pads and stock turned rotors I have never had any stopping issues.
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