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Old 05-21-2005, 09:43 PM
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Question about HID

Does anyone know where i can purchase a KOPS HID kit for the fogs and KOPS upgrade bulbs for the 2002-03 HIDS? I am looking for a purplish color so which would i go with 6000k or 8000k?
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6000k has a purple hue, 7000k (which I have) is purple-blue, 8000k and above is BLUE.
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I've asked this question before but with no definite answer. How's the light output on the 6k and/or 7k bulbs? Is it the same as the factory hid? (light output not brightness)
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Originally Posted by Shogunsc4
6000k has a purple hue, 7000k (which I have) is purple-blue, 8000k and above is BLUE.
Kops? I don't think so. I had Kops 6000K and I'm using 7000K now. They are both bluish; 7000 being a little more bluish

If you want purplish look, you need to get 8000K or higher.
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i just put my 6000k bulbs in and i noticed while i was comparing color with the stock that it was a tiny bit less light but more color. If you want real purple you could go all the way and get 12000k thats pure purple
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IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, OUR STOCK hid'S ARE AROUND 4200K, this is the color of daylight on the kelvin scale. If you go any higher than that you will lose light and just gain color, but if you wan to make a statement I have scene 8K and they dont look obnoxious, but bright and noticeable.
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I would stay away from anything above 6000k. The light output is bad and you MAY be likely to get pulled over because of the color (blinding drivers). Just buy some philips 6000k and wait for color to shift. It will take 100+ hours, but it will be blue with a little purple.
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i personally have 6000k xtec hid fogs and headlights and its got a small hint of purple in it but still a pretty good output like the stock 02 headlights..

personally, i wouldnt go above 6000, you lose alot of light output
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Old 05-22-2005, 11:30 AM
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^ Where can i purchase xtec fogs and whats the price on them?
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Old 05-22-2005, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Park2670
i just put my 6000k bulbs in and i noticed while i was comparing color with the stock that it was a tiny bit less light but more color. If you want real purple you could go all the way and get 12000k thats pure purple
might as well drive around with smoked headlight covers if you are going to use 12000K
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Old 05-22-2005, 03:40 PM
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yea i have seen 12000k you cant really see anything in front of you.... BUT its "cool"
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Originally Posted by SixxOne
I would stay away from anything above 6000k. The light output is bad and you MAY be likely to get pulled over because of the color (blinding drivers). Just buy some philips 6000k and wait for color to shift. It will take 100+ hours, but it will be blue with a little purple.
Sixx is completely right. You REALLY should stay away from everything above 6000k (probably even 5000k). Currently, manufacturers such as phillips and Osram are producing 4300k capsules. This is the absolute highest kelvin rating for visible white light, and is the roughly the same temperature light as the sun's rays. Going above the 4300k mark is bad for three main reasons:
1. Reduction in visible light output
3. Glare to oncoming traffic
2. High quality bulbs are hard to find above 4300k temperature(despite what many adds say on ebay and the internet, OSRAM and Phillips do not make ANY xenon capsules above 4300k.) OSRAM and PHillips are the most reliable and brightest bulbs available.. PERIOD... hence,, this is why BMW, LEXUS, MERCEDES, AUDI etc.. all use these capsules for their lighting. Ask any HID nut, and they will tell you that phillips and OSRAM are industry standards known for their quality and longlife...

Unfortunately.. since the HID CRAZE caught on a few years ago.. made IMMENSELY popular by e46(3 series projectors) and stanley (s2000 projectors).. everyone has been trying to get that "twinkling" blue colorful look for their lights. The light color produced by these lighting systems has nothing to do with bulbs.. but has everything to do with Optical Physics and light refraction... Unfortunately putting blue bulbs in your car doesn't even approach the look and color of a 4300k audi projector.. but you can try if you'd like. My advice would be to stick to you stock 4300k's or take some time to do a retrofit with some projectors... i'm dissapointed that no 5.5 gens have been daring enough to convert their reflector based HID to projectors(except for one.. that was poorly done a few months ago)..... maybe you could be the first. THERE's already a few 4th gens and 3rd gens that have done a retro like this.. and i don't believe that it would be too hard. IF you want beautiful color and starlike twinkle coming from your lights.. get projector lenses, and start modding your current headlight. This is just my .02cents
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Originally Posted by GoldenMax02
^ Where can i purchase xtec fogs and whats the price on them?
got all my stuff from umnitza, i have had nothing but good service with him

www.umnitza.com

just email him and tell him ur from the org
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Old 05-23-2005, 09:05 AM
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6000K isn't that bad (only lose ~10% lumens from 4.4-5K), anything above it is not adviseable as others have said. I say save $ on "upgrading" the headlights and just buy the H3 5K kit to match OEM.
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Originally Posted by Plyfender
Sixx is completely right. You REALLY should stay away from everything above 6000k (probably even 5000k). Currently, manufacturers such as phillips and Osram are producing 4300k capsules. This is the absolute highest kelvin rating for visible white light, and is the roughly the same temperature light as the sun's rays. Going above the 4300k mark is bad for three main reasons:
1. Reduction in visible light output
3. Glare to oncoming traffic
2. High quality bulbs are hard to find above 4300k temperature(despite what many adds say on ebay and the internet, OSRAM and Phillips do not make ANY xenon capsules above 4300k.) OSRAM and PHillips are the most reliable and brightest bulbs available.. PERIOD... hence,, this is why BMW, LEXUS, MERCEDES, AUDI etc.. all use these capsules for their lighting. Ask any HID nut, and they will tell you that phillips and OSRAM are industry standards known for their quality and longlife...

Unfortunately.. since the HID CRAZE caught on a few years ago.. made IMMENSELY popular by e46(3 series projectors) and stanley (s2000 projectors).. everyone has been trying to get that "twinkling" blue colorful look for their lights. The light color produced by these lighting systems has nothing to do with bulbs.. but has everything to do with Optical Physics and light refraction... Unfortunately putting blue bulbs in your car doesn't even approach the look and color of a 4300k audi projector.. but you can try if you'd like. My advice would be to stick to you stock 4300k's or take some time to do a retrofit with some projectors... i'm dissapointed that no 5.5 gens have been daring enough to convert their reflector based HID to projectors(except for one.. that was poorly done a few months ago)..... maybe you could be the first. THERE's already a few 4th gens and 3rd gens that have done a retro like this.. and i don't believe that it would be too hard. IF you want beautiful color and starlike twinkle coming from your lights.. get projector lenses, and start modding your current headlight. This is just my .02cents

philips does make some 6k bulbs, i installed some utilitons into sixxone's retro... just a little fyi
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Old 05-23-2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ChromeSE5
philips does make some 6k bulbs, i installed some utilitons into sixxone's retro... just a little fyi
I'm stupid to have forgotten Ultinons... Allow me to retort... To my knowledge Ultinons are the only capsule above 4300k made by phillips, I don't believe Osram makes any bulbs in that color temp though.
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i dont think osrams do either... but the utilitons do have a nice 6k output.... too bad the damn bulbs cost more than a lot of ballast out there. I wish i could buy some after seeing them on... *sigh*
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Philips Ultinon 6000K are the real deal

I love my 6000k, not cheap though. Paid 200 shipped, which is very cheap for NEW Ultinon bulbs. Projectors will produce a color band below there cut off. For bi-xenon the choice seems to be TL projectors and for single there are many options. Many people like s2000 porjectors, but I been hearing a lot about LS430 projector lately because they light up EVERYTHING in front and on the side of you.

As a side note my 6000k may be SLIGHTY dimmer than 4300k, but the actual light they produce, not the color band, is looking better and better everyday. It is turning blue. I kind of want some TL projectors for a fat color band.

Go to ebay make your own 'kit'. Buy some Philips bulbs.

All the info you need is here hidplanet.com . Spend an hour reading there and you will know why NEVER to buy a kit.
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Originally Posted by SixxOne
I love my 6000k, not cheap though. Paid 200 shipped, which is very cheap for NEW Ultinon bulbs. Projectors will produce a color band below there cut off. For bi-xenon the choice seems to be TL projectors and for single there are many options. Many people like s2000 porjectors, but I been hearing a lot about LS430 projector lately because they light up EVERYTHING in front and on the side of you.

As a side note my 6000k may be SLIGHTY dimmer than 4300k, but the actual light they produce, not the color band, is looking better and better everyday. It is turning blue. I kind of want some TL projectors for a fat color band.

Go to ebay make your own 'kit'. Buy some Philips bulbs.

All the info you need is here hidplanet.com . Spend an hour reading there and you will know why NEVER to buy a kit.



you couldn't have said it better.. NEVER BUY a KIT.... www.hidforum.com... AMAZING
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Finished installing my HELIOS 6000k H3 HID kit and 6000k D2R bulbs. The light output is fantastic. Bought them from maximabest in a group deal.


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Originally Posted by NISMAX03
Finished installing my HELIOS 6000k H3 HID kit and 6000k D2R bulbs. The light output is fantastic. Bought them from maximabest in a group deal.


Don't tell me that you bought 6000k's to increase your light output!.. I'm sure they're bright and all, but technically speaking i'm sure that you're stock output is better than your 6000k.. but the color of your 6000k is probably something that looks more attractive to you...
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well i also have 6000k in my 2k2 hids and though the light output isnt as bright per se, i could not tell a diffrence, the 6000k looks more purple and it matched my hid fogs better...

but honestly, the stock 2k2 hids and 6000k xtec bulbs made no diffrence to me when in the drivers seat
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Originally Posted by Plyfender
Don't tell me that you bought 6000k's to increase your light output!.. I'm sure they're bright and all, but technically speaking i'm sure that you're stock output is better than your 6000k.. but the color of your 6000k is probably something that looks more attractive to you...
I know that the light output has not increased, but the difference is probably due to the installation of HIDs in my fog lights.
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Okay so does anyone know what the HID look would be like out of a 2k headlight. I really like the way they look so i would like to keep them. And despite all my searching i cant find a soul that has done it, Everyone gets 2k2-3 or projectors and retrofit them. I dont want to do all that but i will if i have to. Yet my gut feeling is leave the AE edition look alikes on the car and get an HID kit for them around 4300-6000k.


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You're better off doing a retrofit. Most ppl advise against putting a HID kit into headlight housings made for halogens. If you don't have the $ yet, better just to save up and then do the retro.
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Okay so does anyone know what the HID look would be like out of a 2k headlight. I really like the way they look so i would like to keep them. And despite all my searching i cant find a soul that has done it, Everyone gets 2k2-3 or projectors and retrofit them. I dont want to do all that but i will if i have to. Yet my gut feeling is leave the AE edition look alikes on the car and get an HID kit for them around 4300-6000k.


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there are some people that have done it. The proble you run into with this setup.. is the loss of your high beams, and terrible glare to oncoming drivers. Hid KITS tend to use crappy rebased bulbs, and ballasts. If you end up doing it with a kit, make sure that you aim the headlights nice and low, seeing as how there's no definitive cutoff with 2k1 reflector housing.
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yeah i have been doing some research andi think i may even stick with the stocks and xenons i love HID but i think the headache of it is too much
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Originally Posted by Plyfender
there are some people that have done it. The proble you run into with this setup.. is the loss of your high beams, and terrible glare to oncoming drivers. Hid KITS tend to use crappy rebased bulbs, and ballasts. If you end up doing it with a kit, make sure that you aim the headlights nice and low, seeing as how there's no definitive cutoff with 2k1 reflector housing.
The glare will be very ugly. The companies (person) selling you them will say it is fine. Not to say any names (CE, and the guy selling helios kits). The glare will be very bad and you will FOR SURE, blind the other drivers. The light output will be very ugly. Uglier than the glare. Do it the right way and dump the 500 for the retrofit
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Nisma: that orange glow on the sides and the blue glow at the far end of the beam... is that made by the headlight and foglight?

Also, can anyone help me with some instructions on aiming the 2003 headlights? Housecor has a "Coming Soon" page on headlight aiming, and I couldnt find any other pages with a step-by-step. I tried loosening the two screws on top of the assy, but that only allowed me to slightly jiggle it.

Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by LoKi128
Nisma: that orange glow on the sides and the blue glow at the far end of the beam... is that made by the headlight and foglight?
No, it seems that the camera created this effect unintentionally.

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Also, can anyone help me with some instructions on aiming the 2003 headlights? Housecor has a "Coming Soon" page on headlight aiming, and I couldnt find any other pages with a step-by-step. I tried loosening the two screws on top of the assy, but that only allowed me to slightly jiggle it.

Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks!
There is a white plastic adjustment screw at the back of the headlight assembly. You turn it to adjust the lights either up or down.
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There is a white plastic adjustment screw at the back of the headlight assembly. You turn it to adjust the lights either up or down.
Thanks! Is there a way to adjust them left/right as well?
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Originally Posted by LoKi128
Thanks! Is there a way to adjust them left/right as well?
I am not aware of being able to adjust the lights left/right. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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I am trying to buy angle eye headlights for my car and Install HID in the future.But from ebay i dont know which 1 to buy , when i call them they tell me as is and I am not sure which 1 to for and where and then what HID to install.As far as I have read looks like 6000K is my option.ANY HELP
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Originally Posted by shawn360
I am trying to buy angle eye headlights for my car and Install HID in the future.But from ebay i dont know which 1 to buy , when i call them they tell me as is and I am not sure which 1 to for and where and then what HID to install.As far as I have read looks like 6000K is my option.ANY HELP
Go OEM, not a premade kit. See sig for information what to buy and/or drop me a PM and I will help you out. I was once on the same boat.
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