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punkdork 05-20-2001 10:15 PM

First off, BIG SHOUT OUT to Wustylez for helping me with the install. Second, we took some pics of his car. It looks DAMN nice. I want the stillen body kit now.

Anyway on to the tokicos. They are very blue and pretty. That's irrelevant I know but an observation. I am thinking of naming them after the smurfs.

They were easier to compress by hand than the stock struts and they rebounded quicker too. Is that the way they are supposed to be?

Ride with eibachs was definately less harsh than with the stock struts and I made my tires squealy on a turn (whee!).

Overall I'm prety satisfied.

:)

punkdork 05-21-2001 05:50 AM

*BUMP*

Anyone notice the stock shocks seem firmer and slower to rebound than the Tokico Blues?

mdeal 05-21-2001 06:36 AM

My ride and handling improved after installing the Tokicos. So, yes, I noticed.

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 07:06 AM

Ohhh... glad you put them on. :)

I never tested the stock strut reboound vs. the Tokico rebound. :gotme:

psing23 05-21-2001 07:34 AM

is it good when they are softer? I thought its better to be harder?

NickStam 05-21-2001 07:36 AM

I think a stiffer suspension is NOT supposed to rebound faster. When I adjust the Koni's to a stiffer setting, you are restricting the flow of the oil, and that's why it takes longer to rebound (I think)

punkdork 05-21-2001 07:39 AM


Originally posted by NickStam
I think a stiffer suspension is NOT supposed to rebound faster. When I adjust the Koni's to a stiffer setting, you are restricting the flow of the oil, and that's why it takes longer to rebound (I think)
My thoughts exactly. However, it the tokicos took out some of the harshness of the eibachs so I'm cool with them.

psing23 05-21-2001 07:48 AM


Originally posted by NickStam
I think a stiffer suspension is NOT supposed to rebound faster. When I adjust the Koni's to a stiffer setting, you are restricting the flow of the oil, and that's why it takes longer to rebound (I think)


ye thats exactly how i imagined it...

brubenstein 05-21-2001 09:37 AM

My suspicion is that non-adjustable aftermarket struts are matched to the specs of GXE/GLE sturts. I know this is true (having checked the specs in the FSM and getting the specs from KYB) for 3rd gen KYB struts. This would mean that he only real SE replacements/high performance struts for Maximas is Koni.

psing23 05-21-2001 09:45 AM


Originally posted by brubenstein
My suspicion is that non-adjustable aftermarket struts are matched to the specs of GXE/GLE sturts. I know this is true (having checked the specs in the FSM and getting the specs from KYB) for 3rd gen KYB struts. This would mean that he only real SE replacements/high performance struts for Maximas is Koni.


so are u saying that i would be better off riding around on my stock SE struts with eibachs than getting tokikos? now i dunno what to do... should i just put the eibachs with SE struts? will this give me a better suspension setup than with the tokikos? hmmmm... i dunno what to do now... how long do the stock struts last with the eibachs on? cause then i could just drive around like this and when they die by then there might be more 5th gen struts to choose from or i will just get konis? Shall i stay away from tokikos??? im so confused :confused:

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 10:12 AM

O o o o o o o o!!! Could our stock struts be somewhat dead? I played with one of Turbo95Max's stock struts yesterday and it took longer to rebound than the stiff Koni's.

CIRCO 05-21-2001 10:16 AM

DAMMM
 

Originally posted by punkdork
First off, BIG SHOUT OUT to Wustylez for helping me with the install. Second, we took some pics of his car. It looks DAMN nice. I want the stillen body kit now.

Anyway on to the tokicos. They are very blue and pretty. That's irrelevant I know but an observation. I am thinking of naming them after the smurfs.

They were easier to compress by hand than the stock struts and they rebounded quicker too. Is that the way they are supposed to be?

Ride with eibachs was definately less harsh than with the stock struts and I made my tires squealy on a turn (whee!).

Overall I'm prety satisfied.

:)


Thanks punkdork for the invite on the install man.....

psing23 05-21-2001 10:28 AM

i hope someone gives me some advice...

UMD_MaxSE 05-21-2001 11:43 AM


Originally posted by psing23
i hope someone gives me some advice...
I don't know, but I wouldn't run eibachs on the stock struts very long or even at all. Just get the tokicos or konis and save the hassle of having to open up your suspension twice.

psing23 05-21-2001 11:45 AM


Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE


I don't know, but I wouldn't run eibachs on the stock struts very long or even at all. Just get the tokicos or konis and save the hassle of having to open up your suspension twice.


well but if the tokikos are worse than the stock struts then whats the point? and if they gonna die quick too then why not just use my stock struts and then when they die i will buy konis or something that will be good for a SE maxima...

Jeff92se 05-21-2001 11:51 AM

Ah.. the last time I checked, Tokicos are nitrogen and gas pressurized. Konis are oil filled. So that means the shock/strut work a little different. Are Konis now gas filled?

UMD_MaxSE 05-21-2001 11:53 AM


Originally posted by psing23



well but if the tokikos are worse than the stock struts then whats the point? and if they gonna die quick too then why not just use my stock struts and then when they die i will buy konis or something that will be good for a SE maxima...

:gotme: I thought the tokico blues were better than the stock SE struts (which also happen to be tokicos I think).

psing23 05-21-2001 11:55 AM


Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE


:gotme: I thought the tokico blues were better than the stock SE struts (which also happen to be tokicos I think).


i dunno a few posts back someone mentioned that the tokikos blues are a good replacement for the stock struts from GLE/GXE but not for SE thats why im asking... if they are better than the SE struts then i will change them

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 12:02 PM

No way to tell unless you try them, right? I have had Eibachs/stock, Eibachs/Tokicos, and GC/Konis. The Toks on Eibachs will definitely help increase your ride quality.

psing23 05-21-2001 12:09 PM


Originally posted by Y2KevSE
No way to tell unless you try them, right? I have had Eibachs/stock, Eibachs/Tokicos, and GC/Konis. The Toks on Eibachs will definitely help increase your ride quality.

ride quality meaning that it will feel less sporty and less extreme? but will u also lose on performance? basically which is the better setup for performance? but i think i will put the tokikos on cause i dunno how many people riding in the car will like it harsh except me... hehe especially im wondering what the girls think u kno...

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 12:21 PM


Originally posted by psing23

ride quality meaning that it will feel less sporty and less extreme? but will u also lose on performance? basically which is the better setup for performance? but i think i will put the tokikos on cause i dunno how many people riding in the car will like it harsh except me... hehe especially im wondering what the girls think u kno...

You'll feel less bumps and road imperfections while driving. No performance is loss.

I'd take Toks with Eibachs over stockers anyday.

psing23 05-21-2001 12:22 PM


Originally posted by Y2KevSE


You'll feel less bumps and road imperfections while driving. No performance is loss.

I'd take Toks with Eibachs over stockers anyday.


ok cool... so now i gotta wait for YJ to get back to me... hehe

punkdork 05-21-2001 12:38 PM

Re: DAMMM
 

Originally posted by CIRCO



Thanks punkdork for the invite on the install man.....

Doh... I feel like a heel now man :( I'm sorry. You wanna be in on all the future banging on my car? I'd love to have you around.. maybe someone else can get dirty with me.

Again man I'm really sorry, I'll shoot you an email next time. I should be doing a Y pipe pretty soon. :)

punkdork 05-21-2001 01:06 PM

Okay... quick question. Is there such a thing as a progressive rate shock? Perhaps that's how the tokicos work? Either way they are a welcom addition to my ride and my mod list. :D

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 02:22 PM

I know as the Koni's get compressed more and more, it'll become harder and harder (to push down). Or was that my imagination? :bonk:

punkdork 05-21-2001 02:29 PM


Originally posted by psing23



lol i think if i keep compressing them by hand my arms will get tired too and i wont be able to press it down as hard...

I'll tell you this much.. the front eibachs make a nice makeshift seat while you're working on the car! :laugh:

psing23 05-21-2001 02:32 PM


Originally posted by Y2KevSE
I know as the Koni's get compressed more and more, it'll become harder and harder (to push down). Or was that my imagination? :bonk:

lol i think if i keep compressing them by hand my arms will get tired too and i wont be able to press it down as hard...

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 02:42 PM


Originally posted by punkdork


I'll tell you this much.. the front eibachs make a nice makeshift seat while you're working on the car! :laugh:

Ever better when you have two 2.5" diameter Eibach springs on your butt. :D


Originally posted by psing23

lol i think if i keep compressing them by hand my arms will get tired too and i wont be able to press it down as hard...

I'm not going to verify for you. :p

PrinzII 05-21-2001 02:53 PM

Is it true that the Tokicos soften drastically over time? For some reason, that is the common issue on the 3rd Gens.

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 03:05 PM


Originally posted by PrinzII
Is it true that the Tokicos soften drastically over time? For some reason, that is the common issue on the 3rd Gens.
That's what some people say, but others think they're still good.

psing23 05-21-2001 03:09 PM


Originally posted by Y2KevSE


That's what some people say, but others think they're still good.


kev what do YOU say?

Y2KevSE 05-21-2001 03:16 PM

They felt the same from the first day to the last day I had them on. I was on my stockers the longest time until I got the Tokico's around December.

AznWontonboy 05-21-2001 03:42 PM

by the way, i was lookin at eibach springs the other day and it says 95+.. does that mean us 5th gens use 4th gen eibachs and konis????

kel26 05-22-2001 06:03 PM

Shock Dynamics
 
Having been a road racer for quite a while I can tell you the secret to a good maxima shock will be in the REBOUND damping. SE struts are a little better than GXE's in this respect, but they are both not enough. I you have ever crested an uphill off-camber turn in a max at speed, you will see what I mean. There is NO rebound damping, especially at the rear.(that's why the RSB feels so good, it adds a little control) This has always been the key to a good race shock. So the deal is, who's gonna make a good, external double adjustable srut? I'm waiting for the KYB AGX's.

punkdork 05-22-2001 11:02 PM


Originally posted by AznWontonboy
by the way, i was lookin at eibach springs the other day and it says 95+.. does that mean us 5th gens use 4th gen eibachs and konis????
Konis yes... eibachs no... the part number is in the parts sticky thread. Straight from Eibach's web site.


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