listen i know this has been discussed to death but i asked one of my friends buddies at nissan to do my timing advance. he said that you cant advance timing on a car that does not have aftermarket cam gears. is this true or is he avoiding extra work like nissan likes to do?

 

Don't let him work on your car.

It is done through the Nissan Consult II, takes 2 min hooked up to the OBD port.

 

note to self:

Get new friend

 

Damn I thought the only stupid Nissan Techs were here in Orlando......

 

Nope. They're everywhere.

 

Your buddy is a retard.

 

you can do it on stock internals from 13-20 degrees, and stay within nissan oem spec. they have this fluctuation because gas quality is different everywhere. some areas of the country come with 15, some with 14 and some with 13 degrees. i think your friend's friend was confused about the degrees. ignition base timing vs. cam angle degree.

 

Yeah it's true...

 

I definetly had my timing adjusted from 15* to 17*. Watched the tech do it and I lucked out with a really knowledgeable guy who was very helpful.

 

well hey you are in gainsville i live in jax, think u can hook me up with the same guy?

 

I have had my timing at 17 for almost over 8 months now. Your friend is a dumb @$$.

 

hey guys on this subject, i was wondering if the stealership charges for this, and if so, how much do they charge??? thx

 

cost depends on the dealer, I got my timing advanced done in blacksburg, VA. The guy was nice enough not to charge me. It a pretty simple process but I've heard upwards for like $80 bucks.

 

Costs 80 or so in MD. Had mine done for about 25k miles now. As long as I use premium and keep the oil level up, no knocks.

 

thx for the quick response guys, ill hafta shop around and number crunch wit Ira Nissan

 

I tried to get mine advanced at the Dealer and they told me that it does't work and that the timing would go back to it's original setting. Has anyone checked their timing, say, like a month after getting their timing advanced to see if it stays. I'm sure if the car knocks once in a while then it probably stuck.

 

if you set it to more than 17 than it will reset itself, but 17 is still within factory specs.


BTW: It just occurred to me, since you need to use a higher octane gas, can advancing timing cause premature knock sensor failure?

 

He was thinking about cam timing, not ignition timing. But aren't the intake cams variable anyhow?

 

I had my base ignition timing set at 17 degrees for a long time now....

The first thing I noticed was the change in engine noise....like when the VI kicks in, you notice a difference in sound...its tight

 

only if youre an idiot and keep using gas that makes it ping...

 

Why is it that many of you believe this theory?
The KS will actually help prevent spark knock

 

I thought I was the first one. So there is such a theory?

 

Well, maybe in the A33 realm.

The A32 works on the same principle, so I thought I'd add you to tht general consensus.

The KS works to eliminate knock, and wont be damaged when doing it's job unless you can consider it fatugue from being over worked, highly unlikely considering the design of the KS and its respective component.

Premature, or normal failure occurs due to the harsh environment and the elements relative to its location.

Mine was cracked nearly in 2 pieces when I replaced it on my A32.

 

Got it done over in tampa while I was in town. And it wasn't easy. Had to hop the fence in the back and try to haggle w/ like 5 techs before I found the guy. Cost me $20 although I tried to give the guy $40. Also reset a bunch of my settings in the ECU like A/F ratio's, Idle Air Flow, etc. Although many of the settings returned to their previous state due to the sensors.

 

In this case, a more direct question: How high is the possibility that my KS will fail if I set my timing to 17, considering that I use 93 octane gas? How hard is it to change the KS? As far as know you literary have to rip apart the block to get to it.

 

not trying to thread jack or nuun, but what are the disadvantages of having advanced timing on a stock car? (ie. does it lower gas mileage or anything)

 

umm....nice sig bro....

Back to your question. There are gains from doing it on a stock car, im not sure what the accual but its like 5-10 hp i think...

 

hmm ok thanks well ill just tell nissan they are a bunch of idiots and go to the other one.. it is jacksonville there are like 6 of them... ill run around in the back and ask a tech. thanks guys

 

I'm not as familiar with the DEK's as I am with the DE and 3.5L. And in both of those cases, it's relatively simple, 15 minute job.

I wouldn't say your KS will fail if you get your timing advanced and use 93.

Mine's advanced and I use 91.

 

So if I get the 17 degree timing advance on my 5.5th gen and use 91 octane, it will be bnenificial?

 

hell yeah!!

 

...drew, how does your car sound "cooler" with timing advance?

 

It has a different tone.

 

different tone? more details please. MOre aggressive? and its safe to say that 91 octane is good enough with 17 degree timing...?

 

The sound is not very noticeable, and quite possibly placebo..

I run 91 and have it advanced to 17*, but where I'm at, that's all (91) we can get... (7400' elevation)

 

I may look into finally getting it done, i'm not sure if the techs here can do it... but the only unleaded here is 95 octane

 

WOW 95?? You are def good to go....

 

IIRC their ratings(UK) are a bit different than ours..

 

Mecca & Maxboost -

The tone is noticeably different when it hits VI...THATS IT...normal cruising you will not notice a difference...now, you might notice a difference in low in tq...as I did...another difference is the throttle response...since the timing is now advanced, everything happens earlier....so my throttle is now more sensitive and revs quicker....

VI tone is not drastically different...but I definitely noticed it right away when I got the timing advanced...

91 octane is all I use....I have an oil catch can and don't really have a problem with pinging...

 

i use the california 91 and no pinging. i noticed a difference, but i put my y-pipe on the same day so i really cant tell you for sure. I think the best part is the mileage. the increase in mileage will probably pay for the timing for me in a year or less. got 270 miles on last tank after going drag racing, used to get 280 after driving like a grandma the whole time.