i just got a FSTB from ebay and i can feel slight firmness in the front. i wanted to get a RSB, but this guy was saying it wouldnt improve too much since we have the axle beam. he says its just like adding another bar on top of a straight bar. but i know from testimonies that their cars handling improved alot. most likely im getting one just to find out for my self. so ill have the FSTB and a RSB. would getting a RSTB make any difference if i have the RSB??

 

It doesn't matter if we have single beam back there. Our chassis still flexes in the rear, and that's what the RSB will control. The RSTB though...that's not the most common suspension mod around here and I would personally leave it alone.

 

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agreed, most people who have gotten the RSTB have said the impact was minimal, if there at all. the RSB does make a difference tho, especially if you arent lowered, and that will be recommended by most of us.

 

The RSB doesn't help chassis flex. It helps prevent one wheel from lifting while the other stays on the ground. It will sharpen your turn-in response and reduce understeer, although it may not actually help your total grip levels. Some like it and some don't, but it's clear that it will make a very noticeable difference.

The RSTB is the thing that doesn't help as much because our chassis are not as prone to flex in the rear, so there's not much to be gained by adding a little extra reinforcement.

By the way, the whole "RSB-is-good-if-you're-not-lowered" thing is TOTAL BS. There's nothing magic about being lowered that makes the RSB suddenly suck. What matters is what suspension you use. Most aftermarket spring sets are already designed to help get rid of understeer, so adding a RSB to the package can make things a little too twitchy for some people. Folks who are lowered on full coilover kits, which NEED stiffer front springs just to keep the front end off the ground, already have more understeer bias (despite better total grip), so they like RSBs because they help things without making the car too twitchy.

 

i got a rstb from ebay for $30. not that much money for even minimal gains.

 

Is this like saying I got this junk from some garbage (oops, garage) sale for $5, not that much for something useless?

 

what'd you search for on ebay? I did a search for "front strut tower brace nissan maxima" and found two items, then I did "sway bar nissan maxima" and it turned up 27 items, all of which for 01s and older and it appeared to be just bushings with no bar :dunno:

 

search www.redlinemax.com

 

I need to find a backdoor into that site because going directly to redlinemax crahses my browser...I've tried on my laptop, desktop, work pc, buddies pc and both the inlaws pc's

 

http://redlinemax.com/catalog/

 

Yeah I had to google it to get that...does their mainpage crahs for everyone else too?

 

^^ damn dude, y u whoring my thread??
the guy that i spoke to was a mechanic, he didnt know what he was talking about. im just waiting on classifieds for a used RSB, anyone wants to sell theirs? ive seen progress one on ebay for 165 shipped.

 

I'm not whoring your thread, its a thread on rsb's seems like a logical place to discuss rsb's

 

I just transferred my RSB from my 4th gen to 5th gen and noticed a huge improvement with my 5th gen more so than my 4th. Highly recommend getting one. I have Progress, cattman etc are all pretty much the same, the Stillen one is adjustable but more $$$ and frankly how often are you going to climb under there to adjust it?

 

it crashes mine too

um....why?
You can get the Cattman (made by Progress, btw) RSB from Redlinemax for $134

http://redlinemax.com/catalog/produc...roducts_id=129

 

I haven't installed on on my Max yet (but I plan to). I have one on my Sentra (which has a very similar rear beam), and it did make a big difference in handling. I would say that it is my favorite suspension mod for the money.

 

You got it backwards, didn't you?

 

No I didn't.

 

RSB won't help you keep the inside rear wheel on the ground. RSB decreases body roll so in order for the body to lean to the side it has to pull the inside wheel up. Without RSB, it will simply lean to the side but the wheel will stay on the ground.

 

I didn't say it helps you keep your inside wheel on the ground. What I said was that it resists independent movement of the left and right wheels. I just put it in simple terms.

And how exactly do you imagine it decreases body roll?

Perhaps... but the inside wheel will be unloaded because of the load transfer. Being on the ground doesn't matter much if no weight is on it and it has no traction....


Here, read:

http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/swaybars.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
http://new.minimania.com/ArticleV.cfm?DisplayID=1622
http://www.swedishbricks.net/faq/swaybars.html
http://www.automotivearticles.com/12...way_bars.shtml
http://www.350z-tech.com/zwiki/FAQ:Sway_Bars
http://www.mercurycapri.com/technical/suspen/hasbw.html

 

Well, here's what you said: to me, it sounds the same...

Well, you have just said that RSB resists independent movement of the left and right wheels... In order for the chassis to roll one side has to compress while the other one has to decompress. Consequently, the more resistance the less roll...


Just the fact that it's on the ground means that it does have at least some traction. (it's not always better, but that's a different story) How much traction it has depends on many factors including springs, and front sway bar.

 

Oh man...! I just got what you were trying to say.

My bad, I thought, your were talking about lifting the inside wheel while cornering.

 

the rsb just makes a bigger diff on nonlowered cars due to the fact that they tend to have more body roll than a lowered car. sadly(kinda) i installed mine when i installed my jic's so i cant really comment on its handleing independantly. but my max handle pretty decent now.

as far as the rstb goes, i added mine much later, it was hard to find for a while i remember unless u wanted to spend alot of money, im not a huge fan of $100 stbs. i have many many cheap ones on all kinda of cars. and alwasy been happy. i noticed a difference, but maybe thats because of my other suspension mods. ill see how the max handle when i add subframes my es bushings and a ltb. im hoping for the best.

 

thanks, i thought no one sold these... theres a bunch of down hill and up hill curves on my way to work and school, best place to test them out.