Does 2k1 SE/AE come with FSTB from Factory?
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I've never heard that but the nissandriven site says they do - what's up with that?
It's in the maxima performance section. Don't know if the url will work or not.
http://www.nissandriven.com/vehicles...31005|,00.html|
It's in the maxima performance section. Don't know if the url will work or not.
http://www.nissandriven.com/vehicles...31005|,00.html|
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
The factory rear stabilizer bar is under the rear axle I think. It is the tube running underneath it.
The factory rear stabilizer bar is under the rear axle I think. It is the tube running underneath it.
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Originally posted by Max_Gator
No, on the site it clearly says larger front stabilizer bar and shows a picture of the bar in the same place where we install the Stillen/Courtesy front stabilizer bar.
No, on the site it clearly says larger front stabilizer bar and shows a picture of the bar in the same place where we install the Stillen/Courtesy front stabilizer bar.
http://www.nissandriven.com/vehicles...31005|,00.html
What it says specifically is:
"Sport-Tuned Suspension
Maxima SE and SE 20th Anniversary Edition offer a sport-tuned suspension for an extra-firm, extra-tight ride. They feature a larger front stabilizer bar and sport-tuned rear springs and shock absorbers." [Emphasis added.] (That statement does beg the question of whether the Maxima ever had a "smaller front stabilizer bar". But I won't bother to explore that question here.)
As you indicated, the picture shows the front stabilizer bar in the same position as a Stillen or Courtesy FSTB.
If anyone with a 2K1 SE or AE can confirm the existence of this factory FSTB, please let us know.
My car didn't come with a FSTB from the factory. There isn't a sway bar under the rear beam either. I installed my Courtesy FSTB a couple of weeks ago. I remember reading that the AE had beefier front and rear "anti-roll" bars.
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Originally posted by ru4real
My car didn't come with a FSTB from the factory. There isn't a sway bar under the rear beam either. I installed my Courtesy FSTB a couple of weeks ago. I remember reading that the AE had beefier front and rear "anti-roll" bars.
My car didn't come with a FSTB from the factory. There isn't a sway bar under the rear beam either. I installed my Courtesy FSTB a couple of weeks ago. I remember reading that the AE had beefier front and rear "anti-roll" bars.
Take your aftermarket FSTB off, go to your dealer, and tell them there's a part missing from your suspension. When they ask what part it is, tell them it's the "larger front stabilizer bar" referred to on Nissan's web site and give them the URL I posted. If they say there never was a FSTB on your car, tell them you want to open a case with NNA. If they refuse, open a case yourself. NNA's phone number is 1-800-NISSAN1. If NNA refuses to open a case, tell them you intend to bring an action against Nissan for false advertising.
That should get the ball rolling.
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Originally posted by y2kse
Hmmmm. Well then maybe you and every other 2K1 SE and AE owner are entitled to a factory FSTB. I have an idea.
Take your aftermarket FSTB off, go to you dealer, and tell them there's a part missing from your suspension. When they ask what part it is, tell them it's the "larger front stabilizer bar" referred to on Nissan's web site and give them the URL I posted. If they say there never was a FSTB on your car, tell them you want to open a case with NNA. If they refuse, open a case yourself. NNA's phone number is 1-800-NISSAN1. If NNA refuses to open a case, tell them you intend to bring an action against Nissan for false advertising.
That should get the ball rolling.
Hmmmm. Well then maybe you and every other 2K1 SE and AE owner are entitled to a factory FSTB. I have an idea.
Take your aftermarket FSTB off, go to you dealer, and tell them there's a part missing from your suspension. When they ask what part it is, tell them it's the "larger front stabilizer bar" referred to on Nissan's web site and give them the URL I posted. If they say there never was a FSTB on your car, tell them you want to open a case with NNA. If they refuse, open a case yourself. NNA's phone number is 1-800-NISSAN1. If NNA refuses to open a case, tell them you intend to bring an action against Nissan for false advertising.
That should get the ball rolling.
heheh GO GET EM GUYS!
btw.. the rear sway bar is inside the beam I think.
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I just printed all the pages that relate to the FSTB that Nissan is "missing". I mean WTF is this, they also didn't put the fuel compartment guard thing and now this. but this is something bigger then that fuel cover thing they missed. I am going to my dealer tommarow and lets see what happenes
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Originally posted by ru4real
My car didn't come with a FSTB from the factory. There isn't a sway bar under the rear beam either. I installed my Courtesy FSTB a couple of weeks ago. I remember reading that the AE had beefier front and rear "anti-roll" bars.
My car didn't come with a FSTB from the factory. There isn't a sway bar under the rear beam either. I installed my Courtesy FSTB a couple of weeks ago. I remember reading that the AE had beefier front and rear "anti-roll" bars.
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
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Originally posted by y2kse
Look at the pic, UMD_MaxSE. I think you'll agree there's only one thing that could be.
Look at the pic, UMD_MaxSE. I think you'll agree there's only one thing that could be.
Guys, it may be that the Front Stabilizer Nissan refers to is an anti sway bar located behind the transmission directly below where we put the FSTB. look to see if there is any such bar running behind the front axle. Either way, a front stabilizer is not a Front Strut Tower Brace.
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
This is copied from the FAQ
https://maxima.org/maxfaqs/sub_suspe...#Suspension_1a
Originally posted by niceorange
Guys, it may be that the Front Stabilizer Nissan refers to is an anti sway bar located behind the transmission directly below where we put the FSTB. look to see if there is any such bar running behind the front axle. Either way, a front stabilizer is not a Front Strut Tower Brace.
Guys, it may be that the Front Stabilizer Nissan refers to is an anti sway bar located behind the transmission directly below where we put the FSTB. look to see if there is any such bar running behind the front axle. Either way, a front stabilizer is not a Front Strut Tower Brace.
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
This is what I thought at first, before looking at that pic...
This is what I thought at first, before looking at that pic...
BTW this is what was under the picture of the FSTB in Nissan's site:
Stabilizer Bars
For improved handling and driver control, the location and design of the stabilizer bars help reduce body lean during cornering and sudden lateral moves, such as a crash avoidance maneuver.
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I ain't got no ^&*$ FSTB in my AE...or a fuelline splashguard and who knows what else is missing. 
That pic indicates where an FSTB should be...but I sure don't have one.
I hear the 2003 Max won't have a gas tank...unless you ask for one.
That pic indicates where an FSTB should be...but I sure don't have one.
I hear the 2003 Max won't have a gas tank...unless you ask for one.
Whew, good thing 'cuz those gas prices are starting to get kinda high. 
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I just checked my 2001 SE and no stabilizer bar or FSTB appears in my engine compartment either!Hmmm - has Nissan figured out how to make material objects totally invisible, like some sort of Romulan cloaking device? If this is true, could they also: (1) make our paint chips disappear, and (2) make the whole car invisible to police radar?
Looks like when I visit the dealer next neek to have the filler pipe protector installed, I'll have to bring the invisible FSTB issue up too..
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Originally posted by 2001SE
I called my Nissan delaer and they are selling the FSTB for 37 bucks. so its probably a cheap one and made like from plastic, hehe
I called my Nissan delaer and they are selling the FSTB for 37 bucks. so its probably a cheap one and made like from plastic, hehe
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
Are the FSTB and Front stabilizer bar the same thing? I thought the Front stabilizer bar was kind of like the RSB, but the front stablizer bar actually added understeer.
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Does 2k1 SE/AE come with FSTB
The front "anti roll" (or "anti sway") bar is there (on the SE, at least), right under/behind the engine and it closely follows the countours of the lower control arms. That picture on Nissan's site clearly indicates a bar across the front strut towers - a FSTB by any other name. (just look at the plates on the towers and the linkage - it looks just like a Courtesy Nissan bar!)
Nissan probably includes some disclaimer about "specifications may be subject to change....blah, blah, blah" so it might be a moot point to argue with them and their diagrams. Maybe deletion of this item saved them some bucks on the sticker or maybe they feared that during a insurance industry crash test, the brace would come lose and spear itself through the passenger compartment (and maybe the front seat passengers too). For under $40 though, the Nissan Bar maybe worth it - if it is obtainable - through the dealer.
Don't know what to make of that round bar under the rear beam axle though......maybe an anti roll/sway bar, maybe just a structural stiffener. Anybody have a Chilton manual to look that one up?
Nissan probably includes some disclaimer about "specifications may be subject to change....blah, blah, blah" so it might be a moot point to argue with them and their diagrams. Maybe deletion of this item saved them some bucks on the sticker or maybe they feared that during a insurance industry crash test, the brace would come lose and spear itself through the passenger compartment (and maybe the front seat passengers too). For under $40 though, the Nissan Bar maybe worth it - if it is obtainable - through the dealer.
Don't know what to make of that round bar under the rear beam axle though......maybe an anti roll/sway bar, maybe just a structural stiffener. Anybody have a Chilton manual to look that one up?
Originally posted by killrwheels
You are correct.....a front STRUT brace is not a Front STABILIZER bar. The bar they talk about typically runs across the front axle underneath the car. I have never bothered to check a regular Maxima's stabilizer bar so I would not recognize a size difference, maybe the regular SE does not include it.
You are correct.....a front STRUT brace is not a Front STABILIZER bar. The bar they talk about typically runs across the front axle underneath the car. I have never bothered to check a regular Maxima's stabilizer bar so I would not recognize a size difference, maybe the regular SE does not include it.
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
....this is further reinforced by the fact that they state it reduces body roll. An FSTB does not reduce body roll....a stabilizer bar does.
....this is further reinforced by the fact that they state it reduces body roll. An FSTB does not reduce body roll....a stabilizer bar does.
Originally posted by y2kse
Both you and killrwheels are correct. But that doesn't change the fact that the picture shows a FSTB, not a stabilizer bar.
Both you and killrwheels are correct. But that doesn't change the fact that the picture shows a FSTB, not a stabilizer bar.
maybe they made a mistake?
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Originally posted by mbcp_tdogg
Does that mean you're going to buy it?
Does that mean you're going to buy it?
Suspension/Steering
Independent strut-type front suspension
Rear Multi-Link Beam™ suspension
Front and rear stabilizer bars
Sport-tuned suspension
Power-assisted engine-speed-sensitive steering
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Originally posted by 2001SE
Nope, because i just found out that i am not missing anything and so all the other 2000,2001 maximas. It is the front stabilzer bar not the FSTB and they have a wrong picture. This is straight from the specification page in the Nissan site:
Suspension/Steering
Independent strut-type front suspension
Rear Multi-Link Beam™ suspension
Front and rear stabilizer bars
Sport-tuned suspension
Power-assisted engine-speed-sensitive steering
Nope, because i just found out that i am not missing anything and so all the other 2000,2001 maximas. It is the front stabilzer bar not the FSTB and they have a wrong picture. This is straight from the specification page in the Nissan site:
Suspension/Steering
Independent strut-type front suspension
Rear Multi-Link Beam™ suspension
Front and rear stabilizer bars
Sport-tuned suspension
Power-assisted engine-speed-sensitive steering
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Picture looks like the old install picture on Coutesy Nissans site. Hell, their bar is only 89.00 and I believe Maxima.org members still get a further discount. Why look any further ????
http://www.courtesyparts.com/onlines...t_Code=A33-STB
http://www.courtesyparts.com/onlines...t_Code=A33-STB
Originally posted by Max_Gator
No, on the site it clearly says larger front stabilizer bar and shows a picture of the bar in the same place where we install the Stillen/Courtesy front stabilizer bar.
No, on the site it clearly says larger front stabilizer bar and shows a picture of the bar in the same place where we install the Stillen/Courtesy front stabilizer bar.