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Old Jul 6, 2001 | 08:09 AM
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anyone have the cat back system yet??

how much did u pay for it
and where did you get it?
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 10:58 AM
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I just put my Greddy exhaust system last night. The 2K Max uses the EVO system cost me $600.
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 11:46 AM
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can't wait till next monday....i'm going to GReddy to pick up my exhaust!!! wooohoooo!!!!
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 01:07 PM
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how do you like the sound of it

any pics ????????
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 05:03 PM
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i ordered it for $566 at my local shop... should be getting it on monday. cant wait... cant wait...
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by rino_2kmax
anyone have the [Greddy] cat back system yet??
Only people who want a name-brand exhaust system for bragging rights or don't have better things to do with their money!

Folks, $500+ for an aluminized catback exhaust system, not including installation charges, is simply INSANE. Would somebody please explain to me what would compel a rational person to throw their money away like that when they could roll their own custom exhaust system for less than half the cost?

By the way, I've posed this question in other threads. So far, nobody's been willing to give me an answer. Don't be afraid, guys. I've spent money on foolish things before too. You can talk to me.
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by y2kse

Only people who want a name-brand exhaust system for bragging rights or don't have better things to do with their money!

Folks, $500+ for an aluminized catback exhaust system, not including installation charges, is simply INSANE. Would somebody please explain to me what would compel a rational person to throw their money away like that when they could roll their own custom exhaust system for less than half the cost?

By the way, I've posed this question in other threads. So far, nobody's been willing to give me an answer. Don't be afraid, guys. I've spent money on foolish things before too. You can talk to me.

Because it's Made in Japan baby!!! just like cars, japanese cars are more expensive than american cars(for obvious reasons)--same trim level, cars,etc!!!

And can you say it has been engineered to fit on our cars??? come on, Greddy engineers gotta feed their families, kids wifes, etc right? your exhaust system is done at local exhaust shop where they dont' spend any R&D money, they dont' spend money on AD, they don't spend money to get 50 states legal crap!!!!..come on what kind of question is that? Very simple, we all know that brand name stuff cost arms and legs, dont' tell me you don't know why???

No flaming just trying to point out obvious reasons!!!
how about answering this question for me, why does Rolex cost so much when I can get the exact same one for half of the price in China, Taiwan, or Southeast asia countries??? And no I am not talking about imitation ones!
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 10:08 PM
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Folks, $500+ for an aluminized catback exhaust system, not including installation charges, is simply INSANE. Would somebody please explain to me what would compel a rational person to throw their money away like that when they could roll their own custom exhaust system for less than half the cost?
As Irvine78 and I explained before... CARB legal.
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 10:42 PM
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Because it's Made in Japan baby!!! just like cars, japanese cars are more expensive than american cars(for obvious reasons)--same trim level, cars,etc!!!

And can you say it has been engineered to fit on our cars??? come on, Greddy engineers gotta feed their families, kids wifes, etc right? your exhaust system is done at local exhaust shop where they dont' spend any R&D money, they dont' spend money on AD, they don't spend money to get 50 states legal crap!!!!..come on what kind of question is that? Very simple, we all know that brand name stuff cost arms and legs, dont' tell me you don't know why???

No flaming just trying to point out obvious reasons!!!
how about answering this question for me, why does Rolex cost so much when I can get the exact same one for half of the price in China, Taiwan, or Southeast asia countries??? And no I am not talking about imitation ones!
No-one ever said Americans were smart purchasers, MaxTuner. All the proof you need is the fact that Greddy can sell their catback exhaust systems for the prices they do and Americans will actually buy them.

If Greddy added any real value, I could understand people purchasing their systems. But designing a catback exhaust system isn't rocket science, and Greddy adds NOTHING (with the exception of meaningless C.A.R.B. approval) that can't be purchased from a reputable muffler shop for a fraction of the cost. It's for this reason that the Greddy catback exhaust represents an unwise purchase decision in my estimation.

And if you can afford a plane ticket to SE Asia to buy a Rolex for half-price, I'd say go for it.
Old Jul 7, 2001 | 11:28 PM
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As Irvine78 and I explained before... CARB legal.
not taking anything away from other exhaust systems.....but i NEED the papers for my exhaust to drive in Irvine..., but you already know about this...
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 10:11 AM
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No-one ever said Americans were smart purchasers, MaxTuner. All the proof you need is the fact that Greddy can sell their catback exhaust systems for the prices they do and Americans will actually buy them.

If Greddy added any real value, I could understand people purchasing their systems. But designing a catback exhaust system isn't rocket science, and Greddy adds NOTHING (with the exception of meaningless C.A.R.B. approval) that can't be purchased from a reputable muffler shop for a fraction of the cost. It's for this reason that the Greddy catback exhaust represents an unwise purchase decision in my estimation.

And if you can afford a plane ticket to SE Asia to buy a Rolex for half-price, I'd say go for it.

Hello, I am from there????

I think it's more of if i can afford to pay big bucks to buy poorly designed american performance products, while i can get it for much cheaper prices and better quality products back there. That's the way i see it!
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 10:38 AM
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Hello, I am from there????

I think it's more of if i can afford to pay big bucks to buy poorly designed american performance products, while i can get it for much cheaper prices and better quality products back there. That's the way i see it!
Ah, then you have the advantage on us, MaxTuner. If you can get Rolex watches and Greddy exhausts for half of what we have to pay for them, you'd be silly not to do that. A Greddy catback exhaust for 50% off list is about the right price.
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 10:47 AM
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not taking anything away from other exhaust systems.....but i NEED the papers for my exhaust to drive in Irvine..., but you already know about this...
I seriously doubt that C.A.R.B. approval will do you any good at all, Hoon. After all, if a cop stops you, it won't be for emissions violations. It'll be because your exhaust is too loud. And C.A.R.B. approval won't protect you from that.

C.A.R.B. approval may have some value in Fed-spec Maximas where the O2 sensor is mounted behind the catalytic convertor. But it's meaningless in our Cali-spec Maximas where all the O2 sensors are mounted ahead of the catalytic convertor.

There's one other little item I should mention. You installed a Cali-spec Y-pipe on your Maxima. When you did that, you removed your rear pre-cat. That's a no-no. It doesn't matter what other part of your exhaust system may be C.A.R.B. approved, the fact that it doesn't contain a rear pre-cat means that it's out of compliance, period. So in your case, paying way too much money to get a catback system that's C.A.R.B. approved doesn't make any sense.

Save your money and roll your own catback exhaust system, Hoon. You'll be glad you did. And if you're feeling an overwhelming sense of gratitude for the marvelous advice I just gave you (cough*cough*ahem*cough*cough), you could purchase and install the Eclipse gauge pod in my SE that we were talking about on Maxima Day. I'll provide the gauges.

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Update . . .

I just took a look at the Greddy site. I was unable to find any reference in their exhaust system section to C.A.R.B. approval. What I did find was the following:

"All Greddy exhaust systems (SP, PE, MX, EVO, & G2) are complete cat-back units, which do not effect emissions related hardware."

That's a very impressive statement until you put it in its proper context. You see, NO COMPLETE CAT-BACK UNIT, CUSTOM OR NAME-BRAND, AFFECTS EMISSIONS RELATED HARDWARE. Greddy's statement is correct, of course. But it's also misleading, particularly to the uninformed.

To put it correctly, the Greddy catback exhaust system isn't C.A.R.B. approved, it's C.A.R.B. exempt . . . just like mine and everybody elses.
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 03:58 PM
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um why do you have so much hate for greddy????

let people do what the want, buy what they want
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 04:02 PM
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um why do you have so much hate for greddy????

let people do what the want, buy what they want
I don't hate anyone, rino_2kmax. And I'm not here to tell anyone what to buy or not to buy. But we do try to look out for each other on this forum and help each other steer clear of unwise or uninformed purchasing decisions.

My responsibility begins and ends with stating the facts, and that's precisely what I've done. Others may accept the facts or reject them as they please.
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 04:16 PM
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yeah but also people buy for the products reputation
and brand name

yeah you pay for name also but at least u have the reputation of a quality product
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Originally posted by rino_2kmax
yeah but also people buy for the products reputation
and brand name

yeah you pay for name also but at least u have the reputation of a quality product
Agreed. If a brand name and the quality that stands behind it are worth more than double what you would pay to have a customized catback system made and installed by a reputable muffler shop, then go for it. But at least now you know what you're getting yourself into and you won't purchase it for the wrong reasons. Kapiche?

Enjoy!
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well if you willing to go buy a non brand name muffler
and put lower quality parts on your car thats fine, i mean going the cheap way is ok

i bet yours isnt mandrel bent?
just scrap metal glued together

ciao

gotta go cook my clams
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by rino_2kmax
well if you willing to go buy a non brand name muffler
and put lower quality parts on your car thats fine, i mean going the cheap way is ok

i bet yours isnt mandrel bent?
just scrap metal glued together

ciao

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Check my signature. When you're done, feel free to peruse the following web site at your leisure:

http://www.magnaflow.com
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 05:19 PM
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what can i say then

you and mike the muffler man are awesome
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by rino_2kmax
what can i say then

you and mike the muffler man are awesome
Thanks. I agree wholeheartedly . . . about Mike, that is. I've been doing business with him for years and I've referred several people from the forum to him. His work is top notch and his prices are unbeatable.

He's located a little too far for you to do business with, but I'm certain you could find a reputable shop if you took the time to look around. I'd also recommend that you investigate DynoMax mufflers if you're going to consider a custom catback system for yourself. The DynoMax Ultra Flo has an excellent reputation. In fact, it's been documented as having the best scavenging characteristics of any straight-through design. Unfortunately, I didn't become aware of that fact until after I bought my Magnaflow . . . not that I'm complaining, mind you. Check it out at:

http://www.dynomax.com/ultrafloss.stm

By the way, in looking at your profile, I noticed that you live in New Jersey. I point this out because the Greddy catback exhaust uses aluminized mild steel piping. I can get away with aluminized mild steel in Southern California. But wouldn't you be better off using stainless steel where you live?
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um why do you have so much hate for greddy????

let people do what the want, buy what they want
word!!! greddy is a superior product with a great reputation. ive always wanted a greddy catback, even before i had the maxima, so im willing to dish out the extra bucks. just as i am willing to dish out the extra bucks for the name brand cereal, name brand clothes, name brand medicine, etc. you aint never gonna catch me buying some no name fake me out frosted flakes because they taste like crap. besides, its not like it is an expensive for a catback, all name brand catbacks are similarly priced, for any car. i guess im just a pimp, and i like saying i have a greddy, oh well... sue me.
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word!!! greddy is a superior product with a great reputation. ive always wanted a greddy catback, even before i had the maxima, so im willing to dish out the extra bucks. just as i am willing to dish out the extra bucks for the name brand cereal, name brand clothes, name brand medicine, etc. you aint never gonna catch me buying some no name fake me out frosted flakes because they taste like crap. besides, its not like it is an expensive for a catback, all name brand catbacks are similarly priced, for any car. i guess im just a pimp, and i like saying i have a greddy, oh well... sue me.
I respect your decision, Chillboy. At least you have a legitimate reason for buying the Greddy . . . bragging rights. But I'll pose the same question to you I posed to rino_2kmax. How long do you think aluminized mild steel pipe will hold up in Maryland?

BTW, your frosted flakes analogy is interesting. For what it's worth, I'll put my "no name" flakes up against anybody's name brand flakes in a taste test (or in the case of catback exhausts, a performance test). Granted, I'll give up my bragging rights. But with the money I save, I'll be able to buy a whole lot more flakes than you will. Or better yet, maybe I'll spend it on Cheerios instead.
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Re: Update . . .

Originally posted by y2kse
I just took a look at the Greddy site. I was unable to find any reference in their exhaust system section to C.A.R.B. approval. What I did find was the following:

"All Greddy exhaust systems (SP, PE, MX, EVO, & G2) are complete cat-back units, which do not effect emissions related hardware."

That's a very impressive statement until you put it in its proper context. You see, NO COMPLETE CAT-BACK UNIT, CUSTOM OR NAME-BRAND, AFFECTS EMISSIONS RELATED HARDWARE. Greddy's statement is correct, of course. But it's also misleading, particularly to the uninformed.

To put it correctly, the Greddy catback exhaust system isn't C.A.R.B. approved, it's C.A.R.B. exempt . . . just like mine and everybody elses.

okay whatever, why dont' you go custom your own SC for like $1000 dollars, why stillen???or ever???
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Y2KSE According to your argument, why dreie a Max? Why don't you go buy a Ford Tarus or Pontiac Grand Prix or something. They are essentially the SAME car right? It's just a brand name that you are paying for RIGHT?

WRONG! For the same reason that I bought a Maxima and paid more for it than a comprably equiped POS American car is because it's a brand name car.

Like the Magnaflow vs Greddy thing, they really are probably 90% the same, but so is a Ford vs Nissan vs BMW. If you are happy with a Magnaflow that's great, but I think your reasoning is flawed. Anyhoo - Bye
Old Jul 8, 2001 | 10:43 PM
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I personally think it makes no sense to put a cat back on 5th gen. Performance gains are so minimal over the 2k1 stock cat back. There is this $500+ plus install as well? For what? Make your car a lot louder a couple of HP at best and the looks? Attracts negative attention to you car from cops, ricers etc... If I had a sports car I would like the loud deep sound....but that is what I love about my Max now...I have a 5spd stillen hi flow with cattman y-pipe and only really hear it with WOT. Otherwise it is a sleeper.... everyone has there own thing though.. At $500+ that would be one of the last mods I would do after y-pipe/intake, udp, etc..... but damn they can get loud..no more luxury with that much noise.
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well, not jumping on anyone's side here but Greddy is a very nice designed unit. Ive always been impressed with their fitment and quality. when you work with other systems and compare you can see that Greddy is superior them alot of brands. I know a drawback for many people in getting a custom exhaust system done is they not sure how itll sound. Sometimes good, but sometimes not to their liking. Alot of people have Greddy and since they've built that name people like to go with their product. Keep in mind custom exhausts usually arent mandrel bends and sometimes the even cheaper places dont even make it bolt on, whats good is their much cheaper then buying a name brand catback exhaust system....later
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let's leave him alone...everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion....

by the way, hopefully, i'll get my GReddy by tomorrow..hehe...oh..i mean today...
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I respect your decision, Chillboy. At least you have a legitimate reason for buying the Greddy . . . bragging rights. But I'll pose the same question to you I posed to rino_2kmax. How long do you think aluminized mild steel pipe will hold up in Maryland?

i will only be in maryland for one more year. next summer im moving to cali with my girl. she just got accepted to stanford law. besides, i dont drive my car when it snows, my apt complex has a garage that i can park in... so i think my greddy will hold up just fine.

But with the money I save, I'll be able to buy a whole lot more flakes than you will. Or better yet, maybe I'll spend it on Cheerios instead.
You mean, a noname fakemeout cheerios right?
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let's leave him alone...everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion....

by the way, hopefully, i'll get my GReddy by tomorrow..hehe...oh..i mean today...
No worries, mate. I didn't really expect to change any minds. What I do find interesting are the number of emotional appeals my comments generated. I also notice that the major question I posed, which is whether aluminized mild steel will hold up in a harsh environment, was never addressed. Of course we all know it won't. But in your case, irvine78, that's not an issue.

Actually, my hope is that someone considering a Greddy exhaust (or any other name brand exhaust for that matter) will visit this thread and pause a moment before spending their hard-earned dollars. My appeal is to the independent thinker who is interested in getting the most for their money and not easily persuaded by peer pressure or marketing gimmicks. And I'll bet there are plenty of independent thinkers out there. But I suspect they'll keep silent for obvious reasons.

By the way, congratulations to PhatGuy for coming up with the only logical question asked so far. Why indeed would anyone spend $500+ for more noise and very little performance increase? The answer, of course, is that some of us actually like more noise. And I was reasonably happy with the tone my catback produced until I installed my Y-pipe. Then the tone became much too loud and I had to install a resonator to quiet things down a bit.

By the way, if you have a Y-pipe and you install a catback exhaust behind it, you may be in for something of a shock. But then today's solutions are quite often tomorrow's problems.

Have fun.
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wow!

Originally posted by Y2KevSE


As Irvine78 and I explained before... CARB legal.
Kev!!!!
I always thought that you were one of the better informed guys on the forum. But I feel I need to put my 2 cents here.


CARB has nothing to do with the exhaust system behind the Cat'....... soooo there is no way that Greedy would advertise something that would be misleading. What they do say is that Greedy exhaust systems are 50 state legal..... but they are reffering to is Noise levels. check out

http://www.greddy.com/CHPnoisepolicies.html

All greedy is saying is that they have gone through the testing and they are in complience with the Noise Pollution regulations.

So if that is worth the "premium" price for and exhaust system then thats all there is to it.... Nuff' said
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Re: wow!

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Kev!!!!
I always thought that you were one of the better informed guys on the forum. But I feel I need to put my 2 cents here.


CARB has nothing to do with the exhaust system behind the Cat'....... soooo there is no way that Greedy would advertise something that would be misleading. What they do say is that Greedy exhaust systems are 50 state legal..... but they are reffering to is Noise levels. check out

http://www.greddy.com/CHPnoisepolicies.html

All greedy is saying is that they have gone through the testing and they are in complience with the Noise Pollution regulations.

So if that is worth the "premium" price for and exhaust system then thats all there is to it.... Nuff' said
oh wellz...enough on this GReddy issues...
whatever exhaust people put on their cars are mostly due to their own personal perference.
true, a similar cheaper exhaust may and can produce the same kind of hp gain and similar exhaust notes.
but the final decision ultimately rests in the hands of individual car owners.
anywayz...let's stop this foolishness and move on to more constructive comments. i think people probably got the concept of this by now.
and i guess i'll be finding out about this later today..
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Re: Re: wow!

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whatever exhaust people put on their cars are mostly due to their own personal perference.
...let's stop this foolishness and move on to more constructive comments. ..

hey Irvine... nice lip bro! I like it. I didn't mean to put down greddy... shait... I owned one for my accord, before my max... and they are the best ones out there. I just wanted you guys to know about the "legality" issues on the exhaust system..... Peace
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No worries, mate. I didn't really expect to change any minds. What I do find interesting are the number of emotional appeals my comments generated. I also notice that the major question I posed, which is whether aluminized mild steel will hold up in a harsh environment, was never addressed. Of course we all know it won't. But in your case, irvine78, that's not an issue.

Actually, my hope is that someone considering a Greddy exhaust (or any other name brand exhaust for that matter) will visit this thread and pause a moment before spending their hard-earned dollars. My appeal is to the independent thinker who is interested in getting the most for their money and not easily persuaded by peer pressure or marketing gimmicks. And I'll bet there are plenty of independent thinkers out there. But I suspect they'll keep silent for obvious reasons.

By the way, congratulations to PhatGuy for coming up with the only logical question asked so far. Why indeed would anyone spend $500+ for more noise and very little performance increase? The answer, of course, is that some of us actually like more noise. And I was reasonably happy with the tone my catback produced until I installed my Y-pipe. Then the tone became much too loud and I had to install a resonator to quiet things down a bit.

By the way, if you have a Y-pipe and you install a catback exhaust behind it, you may be in for something of a shock. But then today's solutions are quite often tomorrow's problems.

Have fun.

Hey, tell me something why did you get Stillen RSB and Cattman Y-pipe???? Aren't those overpriced products also, posshh, you can always get the same quality at cheaper price too, especially the RSB, you can custom yourself, if ppl like you like to bi*ch about brand name stuff..why why why didnt' do it?????

Lastly, about the Y-pipe , you can go to any exhaust shopw and have them custom one for like $100 bucks..why didn't do that too?

Greddy is the way to go regardless of legality!!!

Just like buying an expensive european cars, you know you pay what you get for it!
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Re: Re: wow!

Originally posted by irvine78
anywayz...let's stop this foolishness and move on to more constructive comments. i think people probably got the concept of this by now.
I'm down with that, Hoon. Movin' right along . . .
Old Jul 9, 2001 | 10:14 PM
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I also notice that the major question I posed, which is whether aluminized mild steel will hold up in a harsh environment, was never addressed. Of course we all know it won't. But in your case, irvine78, that's not an issue.

I dont know about anybody elses greddy in the east coast, but i assure you that mine will be fine. in harsh weather, i can drive my girlfriends car, which i already have permission, plus my apt has a garage so i have no worries. just because its aluminum, it doesnt mean that you cant keep it in good condition in bad weather. just got to take care of that baby. aiite, im outtie.
Old Jul 10, 2001 | 01:24 AM
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Re: Re: Re: wow!

Originally posted by Maxx-s-ter



hey Irvine... nice lip bro! I like it. I didn't mean to put down greddy... shait... I owned one for my accord, before my max... and they are the best ones out there. I just wanted you guys to know about the "legality" issues on the exhaust system..... Peace
hehe..no problemo Rudy.
by the way...where the heck are u these days?
can't seem to find u anywhere until this GReddy War~~
u coming to Carlsbad this saturday? if u are, u know u better cruise down there with me...hehe..
Old Jul 10, 2001 | 09:16 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: wow!

Originally posted by irvine78


hehe..no problemo Rudy.
by the way...where the heck are u these days?
can't seem to find u anywhere until this GReddy War~~
u coming to Carlsbad this saturday? if u are, u know u better cruise down there with me...hehe..
I'm going to try to make it. it's a 75% chance I will. we'll see.



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