View Poll Results: Do you run E-85?
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09-09-2007, 08:34 AM
#43
Originally Posted by rmh3093
yes E85 makes less power per gallon than gasoline does, however it is cleaner to the environment and it costs way less than gasoline so even if you have to fill up more often you still pay less per mile you travel
So, in affect, it is neither cleaner nor costs less. Right now, it's what, only like 10% cheaper than gasoline? And few people use it. Guess what happens if it became mainstream. Say hello to your grain food shooting up in price like dairy did.
09-09-2007, 11:29 AM
#45
Originally Posted by DasYears
ethanol isnt clean because of its carbon production, its clean because its made of corn instead of oil. i dont think anybody thought it was cleaner burning, its just better because its starts from a plant and its cleaner to turn into a fuel
09-09-2007, 11:53 AM
#47
Originally Posted by DasYears
reduces reliance on other countries, cleaner to make, sounds good to tree huggers
Don't worry about foreign reliance, our gov't will see to it that we go down in flames extorting us to them.
09-09-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Child_uv_KoRn
Actually, that has been completely debunked. Ethanol is worse for the environment. It produces 55% (if I remember correctly) more carbon (with 100% ethanol) for the same amount of mileage driven as gasoline. It's a joke. Probably another scheme for corporations to get rich by selling you new cars and driving up the price of grain.
So, in affect, it is neither cleaner nor costs less. Right now, it's what, only like 10% cheaper than gasoline? And few people use it. Guess what happens if it became mainstream. Say hello to your grain food shooting up in price like dairy did.
So, in affect, it is neither cleaner nor costs less. Right now, it's what, only like 10% cheaper than gasoline? And few people use it. Guess what happens if it became mainstream. Say hello to your grain food shooting up in price like dairy did.
Yes. Corn is carbon based just like gasoline but I dont know the exact carbon imprints for either fuel.
In brazil they make their ethanol out of sugar cane which yeilds much more energy for the energy required to produce it than corn does.
But that is also based on old technology. Newer technology allows more of the plant cellulose to be used and plants like switchgrass which is a perennial (doesn't require planing like corn) is being used to produce ethanol more efficiently than sugarcane.
Now... if we assume there are no differences in price and pollution between e85 and gasoline, the only real difference at the moment is the octane rating.... and with a higher octane rating I cant understand why anyone would be against ethanol.
09-09-2007, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MattyBlacc
last week i tried 100% ethanol in my max.
ran good. quick response and burned quickly. (100octane race gas)
ran good. quick response and burned quickly. (100octane race gas)
My reason for not using ethanol: my car isnt tuned for it and therefore makes less power by running it
09-09-2007, 03:32 PM
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There are so many misconceptions about E-85 it isn't funny. E-85 has a higher octane rating, so it will provide more power if the car was tuned correctly (Advanced timing). We cannot run E-85 in our cars because it is more corrosive then standard gasoline and will corrode and destroy your fuel system.
E-85 DOES NOT MEAN 85 octane.
E-85 DOES NOT MEAN 85 octane.
09-09-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TurtleHead
rmh needs to join up with Al Gore.
Originally Posted by Child_uv_KoRn
Maybe it is possible to provide more power, but it just doesn't have the energy density of gasoline.
09-09-2007, 06:21 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by MaxBoost925
Ethanol sucks. And like previously posted, Maximas are not flex fuel so why bother?
Can someone please fill up with E85 and screw up their engine and post here?
Can someone please fill up with E85 and screw up their engine and post here?
Originally Posted by flxsunxchick
Doesn't the ethanol eat up the plastic parts of your fuel system? Wouldn't that alone be discouraging for those who are thinking about using it?
...but since most of you can't seem to be able to read, the question I asked was "who actually runs e-85", I would assume some sort of fuel system upgrade would be needed but I figured with all the swaps and boosted setups that someone would have a system that was designed or is capable to run e-85
09-09-2007, 06:53 PM
#62
Originally Posted by rmh3093
I didnt say anything about running E-85 in a stock maxima, nor do I think anyone should...
...but since most of you can't seem to be able to read, the question I asked was "who actually runs e-85", I would assume some sort of fuel system upgrade would be needed but I figured with all the swaps and boosted setups that someone would have a system that was designed or is capable to run e-85
...but since most of you can't seem to be able to read, the question I asked was "who actually runs e-85", I would assume some sort of fuel system upgrade would be needed but I figured with all the swaps and boosted setups that someone would have a system that was designed or is capable to run e-85
09-09-2007, 09:26 PM
#64
Originally Posted by rmh3093
I didnt say anything about running E-85 in a stock maxima, nor do I think anyone should...
...but since most of you can't seem to be able to read, the question I asked was "who actually runs e-85", I would assume some sort of fuel system upgrade would be needed but I figured with all the swaps and boosted setups that someone would have a system that was designed or is capable to run e-85
...but since most of you can't seem to be able to read, the question I asked was "who actually runs e-85", I would assume some sort of fuel system upgrade would be needed but I figured with all the swaps and boosted setups that someone would have a system that was designed or is capable to run e-85
09-09-2007, 09:56 PM
#65
Originally Posted by DasYears
this is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. its hurts my eyes actually.
Originally Posted by DasYears
E-85=\ 85 octane
09-09-2007, 10:55 PM
#69
I voted yes......I have a FFV Titan.....
And to the gays who talk about Ethanol not being a good thing...
Please listen to the sound bite by Gale Banks, he knows more about making power than any of us ever will....
Enjoy...
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...l?vidID=137216
And to the gays who talk about Ethanol not being a good thing...
Please listen to the sound bite by Gale Banks, he knows more about making power than any of us ever will....
Enjoy...
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...l?vidID=137216
09-09-2007, 11:12 PM
#70
Originally Posted by DasYears
so are you saying you think its 85 octane? or 100? or are you just confused?
=\ means not equal to, incase you werent sure
=\ means not equal to, incase you werent sure
09-10-2007, 04:43 AM
#71
Originally Posted by rmh3093
i though that our cars could handle up to 20% ethanol so E-85 shouldnt be an issue.... E-85 is higher octane and with an EU you could add more timing safely probably... I was actually just wondering about it for the cost savings and im interested in the science of alternative fuels....
Unlike many higher-octane fuels, ethanol doesn't have the higher energy content per volume to go with its lower ignitability. You'll have to run a lot more timing advance just to get the same power, and you'll never get the same efficiency.
The statement that non-FFV vehicles "can handle up to 20% ethanol" is like saying a person "can take up to 10g of caffeine." That's just the instantly lethal dose. It doesn't take nearly that much to start causing harm.
And I would think twice about supporting the ethanol movement in any way. The crops raised in this country to produce ethanol do not produce a net benefit from production to use, but somehow the ethanol lobby has convinced the government to tax imports from other sources (e.g. Brazil) so heavily to prevent competition that they are not affordable to use. Does that sound like action taken by a group that is concerned for the environment?
So, while there could be environmental benefit, there isn't now and things have been structured such that there won't be. There is no net benefit to the consumer, either, because of the reduced mileage, which more than offsets the price difference; nor does the government benefit because it has to subsidize the hell out of the farmers and gas companies to keep everything affordable (that's the ONLY reason E85 is cheaper). And on top of all that, the move toward ethanol with 10% and eventually 20% ethanol fuels makes EVERYONE without an E85-capable vehicle suffer because their vehicles were never made to be able to tolerate the higher corrosiveness and volatility of fuels with ethanol.
If you really want to be environmentally responsible, push for cleaner gasoline so we can have direct-injected vehicles with stratified lean-burn modes. Or buy a hybrid. Or buy a Mercedes Bluetec diesel. Or lobby for electric cars. Any of those technologies will be better now and better later, without harming the existing base of cars with standard fuel systems.
And for Pete's sake, if you're even thinking about efficiency and environmental friendliness, ditch the huge family sedan.
09-14-2007, 11:02 AM
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On a side note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethanol
You can read in here that it depends where the ethanol was made from as to whether or not it actually makes a difference in the emission of greenhouse gas.
It also states that all US vehicles can run E10.
Owners manual says E10 or E15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioethanol
You can read in here that it depends where the ethanol was made from as to whether or not it actually makes a difference in the emission of greenhouse gas.
It also states that all US vehicles can run E10.
Owners manual says E10 or E15.
09-15-2007, 09:01 PM
#74
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Should Maxima's run E85 stock? No.
Can they be converted to run E85? Yes:
http://flextek.com/guide/step3.htm
And here:
http://www.fullflexint.com/pages/vehicles.htm
Will it affect power or miles-per-tank?
Maybe. Whether you care depends on your reasons for running E85. Once you put a conversion kit on, at least running E85 won't hurt your car.
Does E85 reduce carbon emissions? Yes:
http://www.e85fuel.com/information/environment.php
Can they be converted to run E85? Yes:
http://flextek.com/guide/step3.htm
And here:
http://www.fullflexint.com/pages/vehicles.htm
Will it affect power or miles-per-tank?
Maybe. Whether you care depends on your reasons for running E85. Once you put a conversion kit on, at least running E85 won't hurt your car.
Does E85 reduce carbon emissions? Yes:
http://www.e85fuel.com/information/environment.php
09-17-2007, 06:08 AM
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09-18-2007, 01:59 AM
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I think some of you guys need to try it for yourself. I've run E85 in my 91 se-r several times. According to my road dyno tests I make 6whp more on E85 vs 93 oct, (93 oct runs JWT ECU, E85 runs stock ecu). Also E85 allows my car with 275* duration, 0.500in lift cams to pass the ASM emissions test with no problems. As for the reduction in mpg it is true, full E85 nets 21-23mpg while 87 gets me 28-31mpg. Given that true 100 octane is $4.75/gal and E85 is $2.22 (87 is $2.56, 93 is $2.86) its race gas for cheap.
As for damage to my fuel system none has been noticed. I believe a VQ35 would probably pick up 5-7whp on E85 over 91-93 easy with retuned fuel/timing. I'd like to test my jwt ecu with E85 but it runs too lean at WOT, even with 65psi fuel pressure it still runs around 0.9 lambada when I need it around 0.8 or 12.0-12.3 AFR.
As for damage to my fuel system none has been noticed. I believe a VQ35 would probably pick up 5-7whp on E85 over 91-93 easy with retuned fuel/timing. I'd like to test my jwt ecu with E85 but it runs too lean at WOT, even with 65psi fuel pressure it still runs around 0.9 lambada when I need it around 0.8 or 12.0-12.3 AFR.
09-22-2007, 10:06 PM
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Right on kevarnold.
I live in Minnesota where our gas has been 10% ethanol for as long as I can remember and we are going to 20% blend in 2010. We have more E-85 stations here than anywhere else. I just watched our local news station WCCO do a story on the Flex Tek E-85 conversion kits. Pretty interesting.
E-85 is 105 Octane....Period. Please don't say otherwise.
Maybe it is just because of the # of stations but the difference up here between 93 octane and E-85 is typically $0.80 so it is well worth looking into adding this conversion kit. Last week I saw $1.99/gal which was something I hadn't seen in a long time.
It is not EPA legal yet but by order of our Governor, the University of Minnesota(Mankato) is doing studies on the conversion kit to produce results to the EPA to make these available in the near future.
Something to check out if you are interested, or not. There is a video.
http://wcco.com/energy/local_story_260225829.html
BTW, I too think using corn for ethanol is very inefficient. You just have to realize that the US farmer is very good at producing corn. It will take time to create markets for other more efficient crops for ethanol.
I live in Minnesota where our gas has been 10% ethanol for as long as I can remember and we are going to 20% blend in 2010. We have more E-85 stations here than anywhere else. I just watched our local news station WCCO do a story on the Flex Tek E-85 conversion kits. Pretty interesting.
E-85 is 105 Octane....Period. Please don't say otherwise.
Maybe it is just because of the # of stations but the difference up here between 93 octane and E-85 is typically $0.80 so it is well worth looking into adding this conversion kit. Last week I saw $1.99/gal which was something I hadn't seen in a long time.
It is not EPA legal yet but by order of our Governor, the University of Minnesota(Mankato) is doing studies on the conversion kit to produce results to the EPA to make these available in the near future.
Something to check out if you are interested, or not. There is a video.
http://wcco.com/energy/local_story_260225829.html
BTW, I too think using corn for ethanol is very inefficient. You just have to realize that the US farmer is very good at producing corn. It will take time to create markets for other more efficient crops for ethanol.