Automatics do stand a chance i say....for example MB make's sure that their sport's car's have the biggest engine available so that any "automagic driveline loss" is easily overcome by the raw torque ......but when nissan puts mate's the VQ engine to an automagic........well you know the rest.IMHO any sport's car sold in the state's with less than 300hp should be a stick.

 

I think you all are confused about this whole thing...SE stands for "Sports Edition"...but most of you turn around and treat that as a "Racing edition"