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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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Tighter steering?

One thing I miss about my SE-R was the tight steering feel. It wasn't oversensitive like the Maxima. Is there any way to modify the steering so it feels tighter? No I will not disable the power steering.

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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 09:49 AM
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my maxima has very happy steering, the steering wheel feels very little resistance when driving on highway.
Old Jan 19, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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do you mean like tighter steering? like on a bmw or an audi?
Old Jan 19, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Blitzfist
do you mean like tighter steering? like on a bmw or an audi?
That would be a better choice of words, yes.
Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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I've always wonder the same thing. Would be great if somehow you could "turn down" the power steering at will to "tighten" things up.
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my steering doesnt feel loose at all
Old Jan 19, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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When I was at Nissan school i do remember the trainers talking about a way to tighen up the rack and pinion so it wasn't soo loose feeling but that once it was tightened, there was no going back. Im pretty sure it involved tightening the bolt near the pinion. Ill try to see if theres any info on this at work.
Old Jan 19, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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There is few guys on the org including myself who have bought an aluminum steering adaptor from a group deal, about 2 years ago. It replaced the stock one wich is made of plastic and has a rubber bushing. I never got to install it but I will test it next spring.

I'll post some pics tomorrow after work.
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:20 AM
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There is few guys on the org including myself who have bought an aluminum steering adaptor from a group deal, about 2 years ago. It replaced the stock one wich is made of plastic and has a rubber bushing. I never got to install it but I will test it next spring.

I'll post some pics tomorrow after work.
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^^you said it
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by turbizzy
When I was at Nissan school i do remember the trainers talking about a way to tighen up the rack and pinion so it wasn't soo loose feeling but that once it was tightened, there was no going back. Im pretty sure it involved tightening the bolt near the pinion. Ill try to see if theres any info on this at work.
There's an adjustment screw right next to where the steering column enters the rack. It's covered in ST, 22 or 23 depending on year.
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^^you said it
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by doublea
There is few guys on the org including myself who have bought an aluminum steering adaptor from a group deal, about 2 years ago. It replaced the stock one wich is made of plastic and has a rubber bushing. I never got to install it but I will test it next spring.

I'll post some pics tomorrow after work.
I remember that thread...

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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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Is the OP looking for a more precise steering feel or a firmer one? I wouldn't mind the steering being alittle less boosted, but bushings arent gonna change that.
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ok here you go:

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would that piece really make the steering have the tight feel? My max's steering isnt loose by any means like a ford, but its no where near on par with a audis or bmws(nor do I ever expect it to be)

If we could figure out how to make it tighter I would be very happy.
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Originally Posted by Blitzfist
would that piece really make the steering have the tight feel? My max's steering isnt loose by any means like a ford, but its no where near on par with a audis or bmws(nor do I ever expect it to be)

If we could figure out how to make it tighter I would be very happy.
It will reduce any sort of slop from the column to the rack, yes. When you turn the wheel, you're directly driving the rack vs compressing the stock bushing.
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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It will reduce any sort of slop from the column to the rack, yes. When you turn the wheel, you're directly driving the rack vs compressing the stock bushing.
so in terms since its directly driving the rack it will produce the tight feel
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so in terms since its directly driving the rack it will produce the tight feel
Tighter, yes, but only up to the rack itself. If it's just old and worn out, this can't help that.
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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okay. well im assuming that what the OP was asking was if it is possible to make our steering have that tight precise BMW like feel. As i understand it theoretically the steering is "tighter" with the mod but its not going to be like the BMW tight
Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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I'm in the same boat.... thought replacing struts and dropping would help but I still get a little wiggle in the steer. Amplified when I hit bumps on the highway. 2002 max -replaced with kyb-2's and H&R struts. Mech says tie rods are fine... but yeah looking to tightening up that steering. Here's a link from another MAX forum that I've been posting on. http://forums.nycmaximas.org/showthread.php?t=41127

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 12:54 AM
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There's an adjustment screw right next to where the steering column enters the rack. It's covered in ST, 22 or 23 depending on year.
Yes thats right, there is an adjustment you can make to the steering rack that can tighten or loosen the "rack sliding force" thus making the steering itself a little tighter. I've never actually done this before but according to the trainers it seemed to tighten up alot of rack slop felt in the early 2000 maximas. Ill try to post pics but i found the info on page PS-25 in the FSM for a 2005 Maxima.

That metal bushing or whatever you guys are talking about, may help but im sure the OP is talking about actually making the steering wheel stiffer or cutting down on the power steering assist.

Another thought would be an underdrive pulley for the power steering pump? Or maybe even just the crank?

INCREASE
Increase rack sliding force as follows:


Tighten adjusting screw until it is flush with housing surface.

CAUTION:
Do not remove adjusting screw.
Steering gear must replaced if adjusting screw is removed or loosened more than two rotations



Loosen adjusting screw in 40°- 60° increments until rack sliding force is within specification. Average rack sliding : 235 - 314 N (24- 32 kg-f, 55 - 71 lbs-f) . Maximum force deviation : 98 N (10 kg-f, 22 lbs-f) .

NOTE: Steering gear must replaced if adjusting screw rotation torque is less than 5.0 Nm (0.9 kg-m, 44 inch lbs.)
The above is from the FSM and those are the specs listed however im sure if you want, you may increase your rack sliding force to your liking. Again i haven't done this so i don't know what to expect so if anyone wants to try it, i would recommend starting in small increments and seeing how well it worked and post back.

CHECKING RACK SLIDING FORCE

Disconnect steering column lower joint and knuckle arms from the gear.
Start and run engine at idle to make sure steering fluid has reached normal operating temperature.



Pull tie-rod slowly, using Tool, to move it from neutral position to ±11.5 mm (±0.453 inch) at speed of 3.5 mm (0.138 inch)/s . Check that rack sliding force is within specification. Tool number : J-44183-A Average rack sliding force: 235 - 314 N (24 - 32 kg-f, 55 - 71 lbs-f) Maximum force deviation : 98 N (10 kg-f, 22 lbs-f)
Check sliding force outside the above range at rack speed 40 mm (1.57 inch) /s. Rack sliding force Maximum : Not more than 294 N (30 kg-f, 66 lbs-f) Maximum deviation : 147 N (15 kg-f, 33 lbs-f)
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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Turbizzy... beat you to it. Got this from my A33 manual. Thanks for the info. Gonna take it back to the mechanic by the end of the week and ask him what he thinks. Partly my fault, I should have made him test drive the vehicle after he put in the springs & struts. By the way how much labor do you think is involve to get this done? Costs?

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Thanks for the info, let me guess that with the aluminum puck that should make the steering direct and tight.
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