TIRE WEAR CONCERN!!
#1
TIRE WEAR CONCERN!!
well as the snow approches my wisconsin weather iv decided to change to my green diamon snow tires on my OEM rims and take off my black ones. why? becuase i planned to store my max for the winter at the local storage facility until spring and drive my daily bucket (93 sentra) for the whole winter but last week it got butt ramed( i was at a stop light and a F150 ramed my rear becuase it was to slippery). and no insurence on the sentra eaither cuase i was already paying for the max so i didnt see why i should pay both when i only drive the max more often than the sentra. so unless i know how to ride the city bus my only sorce of trans portation is my max.(dont worry the bodykit is taken off). anyways off topic ha, so after iv got done paying a good 70 or so dollers for the mounting and balancing at the shop i came to to swap out the set only to find out an un-normal tire wear pattern. one side of my tire(both front) wore out faster than the center or the outer edge. with the tire in its normal rotation view the inside side thread is almost completely gone ware as the center and outter edge still have a good 10% or so left thread. and iv only driven these new spankin tires since spring thats like a little over 10Kmiles. a couple races here and there but nothing drastic. so i pounder and wonder and done more inspection that led me thinking of these possible cuases.(see below) the car dosnt pull eaither to the right or left but do so once in like many moons, not terribly but just a super light tug twords my wrist, it makes me confused if its my alignment or not becuase it goes back to being strait again.
possible cuase?
-camber/caster
-uneven spring rates
-alignment issue? toe alignment
-ball joints/control arm/bushings
yes thats that actual tire on the passenger front side, the driver front is simular to that but u can see some light inner structure of the tire. as u can see in this one its basically slicks lol and seems like its about to blow at anytime. ofcurse that white line on the left side is the inner strucutre of the tire.
sometime it makes me think if its the tire qulity but the likes of that is unlikely. please any inputs will help. im not to concern as of right now becuase i only drive my max to work and home and some convience shopping with in a radius of like 5 miles lol yea small town but lots of tuners. ill wait until income tax comes then do some serivce and with this freakin wisconsin weather where its butt effin cold one day but confortable cool 40 degrees the other its hard to predict whens the best day to do some service. thats right i dont have a heated garage. just a garage, garage.
possible cuase?
-camber/caster
-uneven spring rates
-alignment issue? toe alignment
-ball joints/control arm/bushings
yes thats that actual tire on the passenger front side, the driver front is simular to that but u can see some light inner structure of the tire. as u can see in this one its basically slicks lol and seems like its about to blow at anytime. ofcurse that white line on the left side is the inner strucutre of the tire.
sometime it makes me think if its the tire qulity but the likes of that is unlikely. please any inputs will help. im not to concern as of right now becuase i only drive my max to work and home and some convience shopping with in a radius of like 5 miles lol yea small town but lots of tuners. ill wait until income tax comes then do some serivce and with this freakin wisconsin weather where its butt effin cold one day but confortable cool 40 degrees the other its hard to predict whens the best day to do some service. thats right i dont have a heated garage. just a garage, garage.
Last edited by R34maxima582; 12-20-2009 at 03:28 AM.
#2
The uneven wear across the tread is due to camber. Although, camber doesn't affect wear rate, so this is fairly normal and indicates there is another issue (if the tires have wore out prematurely). Also note the front tires will wear faster since they support more weight, perform the majority of braking, all the acceleration and turning loads.
The other issue is likely excessive toe, either in or out). When was the last time you had an alignment? Was it before or after the Teins?
The other issue is likely excessive toe, either in or out). When was the last time you had an alignment? Was it before or after the Teins?
#3
The uneven wear across the tread is due to camber. Although, camber doesn't affect wear rate, so this is fairly normal and indicates there is another issue (if the tires have wore out prematurely). Also note the front tires will wear faster since they support more weight, perform the majority of braking, all the acceleration and turning loads.
The other issue is likely excessive toe, either in or out). When was the last time you had an alignment? Was it before or after the Teins?
The other issue is likely excessive toe, either in or out). When was the last time you had an alignment? Was it before or after the Teins?
#4
you're saying those tires were new 10k miles ago? that's insane.
you should ALWAYS get an alignment done when you're changing the suspension components.
I hope you're not driving those still...
you should ALWAYS get an alignment done when you're changing the suspension components.
I hope you're not driving those still...
#5
A good rule of thumb is if any suspension work is performed an alignment is a good idea. Some suspension work doesn't affect alignment angles/settings, but those are few and far between in a mac-strut car.
I'm guessing the rears didn't wear much?
#6
If the toe on both sides is the same, the car will track straight. Though, the total toe could be quite large causing unreasonable wear rates.
A good rule of thumb is if any suspension work is performed an alignment is a good idea. Some suspension work doesn't affect alignment angles/settings, but those are few and far between in a mac-strut car.
I'm guessing the rears didn't wear much?
A good rule of thumb is if any suspension work is performed an alignment is a good idea. Some suspension work doesn't affect alignment angles/settings, but those are few and far between in a mac-strut car.
I'm guessing the rears didn't wear much?
#7
yeah crazy eh? lol i should have checked on it more often then not. im always busy doin minor interior and engine tune ups that i forgot about tires. dont worry i switch over to my snow tires temperaly until i can get some new bushings(or if anything that needs to be replaced) and a alignment at the local shop.
#8
That picture is of an insanely unsafe tire. Consider yourself very lucky.
#9
With all the torque that one gets from the Max, I can't seem to understand why you wouldn't have notice you were getting more and more excessive wheel spin when you were doing your normal daily driving. I have Falken's on during the summer and they have about 75% good tread on them but even I have notice when the roads were even a bit damp it was becoming easier and easier to get wheel spin and this was there second summer season. I will most likely replace them for next summer to regain that stick to the road that new tires offer.
As the guys have already said, doing any type of front end work on the suspension requires a wheel alignment to ensure maximum safety and proper wear, I too am very surprised that you didn't experience a full tire blow out at high speed given the wear straight down to the inner core such as in your pictures. Doing a quick walk around of the car is always the best practice even if it just to make sure that the tire appear to have full air pressure and at least once a month check on all the tire lugs to ensure that they have not loosened off and are still nice and snug.
Remember your most precious cargo is depending on those tires to always be up to spec your ars and your family.
As the guys have already said, doing any type of front end work on the suspension requires a wheel alignment to ensure maximum safety and proper wear, I too am very surprised that you didn't experience a full tire blow out at high speed given the wear straight down to the inner core such as in your pictures. Doing a quick walk around of the car is always the best practice even if it just to make sure that the tire appear to have full air pressure and at least once a month check on all the tire lugs to ensure that they have not loosened off and are still nice and snug.
Remember your most precious cargo is depending on those tires to always be up to spec your ars and your family.
#10
With all the torque that one gets from the Max, I can't seem to understand why you wouldn't have notice you were getting more and more excessive wheel spin when you were doing your normal daily driving. I have Falken's on during the summer and they have about 75% good tread on them but even I have notice when the roads were even a bit damp it was becoming easier and easier to get wheel spin and this was there second summer season. I will most likely replace them for next summer to regain that stick to the road that new tires offer.
As the guys have already said, doing any type of front end work on the suspension requires a wheel alignment to ensure maximum safety and proper wear, I too am very surprised that you didn't experience a full tire blow out at high speed given the wear straight down to the inner core such as in your pictures. Doing a quick walk around of the car is always the best practice even if it just to make sure that the tire appear to have full air pressure and at least once a month check on all the tire lugs to ensure that they have not loosened off and are still nice and snug.
Remember your most precious cargo is depending on those tires to always be up to spec your ars and your family.
As the guys have already said, doing any type of front end work on the suspension requires a wheel alignment to ensure maximum safety and proper wear, I too am very surprised that you didn't experience a full tire blow out at high speed given the wear straight down to the inner core such as in your pictures. Doing a quick walk around of the car is always the best practice even if it just to make sure that the tire appear to have full air pressure and at least once a month check on all the tire lugs to ensure that they have not loosened off and are still nice and snug.
Remember your most precious cargo is depending on those tires to always be up to spec your ars and your family.
#11
Another decent rule of thumb: rotate tires every 10,000 miles or sooner; if using high performance tires, rotate every 5,000 miles or sooner (I use this for snows). Of course this assumes they can be rotated (non-staggered wheel/tires).
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