www.fastbrakes.com is one.
Motul 500 is two.

Problem is, the Celica has big brakes (11" in the front for the GTS)... a lot of people never tested them for fade. I've heard from 110' for the first 60-0 stop...then 120' feet for second 60-0 5mins later... then 125, 135, 152' for following 60-0 with 5mins inbetween each test. But, of course, this is hearsay.

 

That's cute. Do you know that I don't have first hand experience? I think the general topic was how DOMESTICS suck and don't hold up well. Not Mustangs or F-bodies, per se, but American cars as a whole. And hell yeah, I do have experience with domestics-that is all I have owned thus far..And it is precisely (but certainly not the only reason)why I am moving to a Max. Maybe you should ask next time before assuming. You know what happens when you assume, right? We all learned that in middle school...

Skippy..I like that. Keep 'em coming. You're definitely clever. About as clever as my ***damn hang nail on my left foot...You know it has been driving me crazy...Hang on...OK.

Dave, you have really opened my eyes about domestic cars. Yeah, so when I want to purchase a car, and then work on it all the time, I might take your advice and buy another one. And rattles...God, how I love how you go down the road and the car rattles around you...The dash, the sunroof, someplace on the rear desk...that spot right behind the front passenger but you didn't really know that it could rattle...Yep, the quality is amazing....

This is why american cars don't live up to par.

 

You pretty much sumed up what lots of people have been saying about the quality of the 4th gen and early 5th gen Maximas.

Let's try to stay on the subject.


Dave

 

No.

PS side note: Domestic car manfacturers are losing sales to imports. NO. 1 reason is quality for price paid. That is fact and not fiction.

 

Honestly, I don't know. Both Steve's and Aaron's tracks are in the northeast, at nearly sea level, and runs were made in 40 degree weather. My 14.7s ETs correct out to 14.4s at around 96mph with the 2.2-2.3 60 foots, but I'm not a big fan of using corrected ets. Hopefully when Toolman and myself race at MO/KAN, we'll post our new bests. MO/KAN is at nearly the same altitude as my local track, but I'll be running in much cooler air and the track is suppose to be much stickier. I'm hoping for a 14.5.


Dave

 

You da man Dave! Major props to ya! Go get you some!

 

The post you are referring to has to do with my SHO (with a heavily modified suspension) vs the 02 Max on a road course, not on a drag strip. According to the numbers I have been seeing, it looks like the Max's torque would beat me in a 1/4 race. But looking at the traps these guys are having, it would be a toss up in a highway run.

 

I would not call the simple intake and exhaust mods I have made TONS. Now, if you are reffering to my suspsension mods, they are a little more dramatic, but they do little in helping my 1/4 time.

Thanks for the compliments. I do not think anyone is saying a top end race between a stock SHO and an 02 Max would be in the SHO's favor. It would not be a major whooping, but I am confident the Max would win. As far as my car vs the 02 Max in a to end battle, try this: 0-1 mile, time and speed. See what the 02 Max comes up with. Or even easier (and less dangerous) post some slips and we can compare.

 

That's nice.

Import quality is just plain better overall than domestics. Look at the problems that american cars have; then compare that to the same areas of import cars. You'll see exactly what I am talking about.

But anyway...

 

what if we compare
apples to apples. Put a stock 95 maxima beside a stock 95 SHO who do you think will win?

 

Great race! All depends on driver!

 

actually I heard the celica has brake fade too

I dunno, i'm not good enough at driving to autox

I just learned stick last March ehhe

 

hey Dave when does KCIR open?

also is there a website for MO/KS track your going to?

 

SHO's are a POS.. any NJ SHO owner want to tell me other wise.. let me know

 

remember the time you called out that guy with the SE-R...what ever happened to those videos

 

Not real familar with the 95 Max. What years had the 222hp 3.0?

 

#1 i never called him out
#2 i have the videos on my computer
#3 what kinda of sleeper runs 15 secs..

 

Supposedly KCIR will open in late Feb weather permitting. I've been told KCIR got repaved!!! No more staging in the left lane only to roll forward/backward and get a redlight because of the ruts on the starting line.

MO/KAN is 30 minutes north of Joplin, MO or about 1.5 hours south of KC.


Dave

 

Well, 6 votes is not so bad

Dave, which night is better for you, Friday or Saturday? The 22nd would work good for me. I can not make it these dates for sure: 9th, 15th.

 

Finally, some words of wisdom from the esteemed SprintMax. Why, where in the world have you been? I have been languishing in the dark without your superior automotive knowledge and insight. With this revelation that SHO's are indeed nothing more than fecal matter, and it must be correct since you say it is so, I am now looking feverishly for a Maxima. Do you know a good scrapyard wher I can get a few pennies for my 4 SHO's?

 

Yee-ouch....that hurts....

 

 

ok let me rephrase my sentence..

and i am not back pedaling

Ian SHO is a POS.. and i dare that NJ owner to back it up

 

The 95 max is just as fast if not faster than the 2000-2001(222hp)

 

Just wondering...If the cars (95 and 00) have almost identical 0-60 times, where does the extra 32 HP come in at? Is it the weight of the 00 that makes the difference?

Just curious about it..

 

yes.. and more emmision restrictions..

 

Horsepower was bumped up by using a revised air intake system, and a new variable capacity muffler that allows freer exhaust flow above 3000 rpm.

 

I know how they bumped it up...I just don't know why the times for the two cars are so similar when there is a rather large HP difference. I guess that since the torque numbers didn't change too much (wasn't it 205 bumped up to 217ft lbs?) that could be part of the similar acceleration times...

How about top end? I bet the 222HP really shines there...

 

Oh yeah this thing bails out when you get to 75+

I know it has more HP and torque but you got to remember that since there two completely different cars(save for the engine) accelerations times are not dependent on one another.

 

As officer VeeTec would say, didn't you run 14.9 with nitrous?? Don't worry, that 15 flat will change soon.

 

yes i did

i also kicked a 6spd Maxima's as$ all the way to the track? whats your point?

so i guess steve is slower than 14.9? well no.. he ran 14.3

talk to me when you actually have a sleeper

 

I have driven a 2002 Maxima 6 speed, and my last SHO had only a Y-Pipe. Its my opinion that the Maxima will take it off of the line, but once rolling its going to be closer. Hard to say.

When I ran my SHO the clutch was slipping, worse with every upshift. It still trapped 97+ m.p.h. with bad 60 ft. times. Traction was horrible that night. The burn out box even had ice in it, and they did nothing to help with traction.

With a good launch the SHO is an easy low 14 second car with that kind of trap speed.

I am hoping this Y-Pipe I am getting tomorrow will bring the m.p.h. up close to the SHO's m.p.h. The Maxima is SO much easier to launch, so I kept it and sold the SHO instead of fixing the multiple repairs it needed. The Maxima is a better car by far, but I do have a thing for those SHO's, they have a lot of potential, more so than the Maxima, but like others have said, the car aside from the motor can be a repair nightmare.

I would have loved to have seen this motor shoehorned into a Contour SVT.

I miss the SHO for its raw power, but I was so tired of the needs I don't miss it much. I have nothing but praise for our 97 Maxima SE though, I just need to make it faster, and I will.

On a side note I owned a stock 94 5 speed SHO two years ago as well. I took it to the track once. I ran it against a brand new 00 Maxima 5 speed's times, and we were both running almost identical times and trap speeds with the same bad 60 ft. times.

From my long test drive of the 02 Maxima, I think it has the potential of a 13.9 or so with a great launch, and it does launch much easier than the SHO.

 

Not that I can agree with

(j/k Ian)

 

Dave, I'm goign to KCIR the very weekend it opens (this is pending if I have tests on Monday or not heheh)
I'll let you know if the track is better or not ehhe

hey what do you (and any other KCIR knowledgeables) think of this..
I got a 14.823@95.31 on my first run in the right lane with a ok 2.378 60'

but later (after lower tire pressure... too much I think)
I got a 14.901@94.62 in the left lane with a HOORRRIBLE wheel hopping
2.424 60'

I think I drove better in my run in the left lane.

man, I know I can do better than that 14.8!

do you think you'll go to KCIR the weekend it opens?

 

Ladies...ladies....ladies.... I've driven 96sleepers car and it is very powerful just in need of good tires (I hope that is fixed by this Sunday Matt ).

Just to get something going .....why can't any of your mighty Max's take down my lowly 4cylinder Honda??? (putting on flame suit as we speak!!!)

 

because your car is faster than most bolt on maxima's .. which includes 98% of the maxima's on this site perhaps?

 

I think my car could give a good run with the same amount of bolt ons.

After all, while stock, I ran quicker.

 

Is that a challenge??? Hows the Y-Pipe? I think Matt is gonna be there as well as another Max guy (or a few more...mostly autos).

 

Dave, ever figure out which day would be best for you? UPDATE: I may be bringing the 90 as the 95 may not be ready in time. Either way, it should be a good run.

 

I'm definately going to Mo/Kan next Sunday for opening day, weather permitting. Feb 10th is a no-go because I've got to pick my wife up from the airport. Any other Sunday will be good (they're only open on Sundays).


Dave