Hey people I'm in need of urgent asistance. I got a ticket for having too bald tires and my moms pretty mad so now I have to buy new tires ASAP! lol damn 16 year olds!

well im on tires.com and well i dont have too much to spend so it's down to two choices, these are alot cheaper than the 190.00 potenzas or even the super nice michelins. please note i have the stock 17" tires ---- Size: 225/50-17

1. $117.00 (w/shipping) Nitto NT-450 Extreme Performance
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/dt...odeIndex=40153

or

2. $121.00 (w/shipping) Falken Ziex S/TZ-01
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/dt...odeIndex=28634

Please just tell me if these will fit ok and any pros/or cons but really if they will be decent if I was really serious and hardcore I would be spending more money.


THNZ IN ADV!!!!

 

Between those two tires, I'd DEFINITELY choose the Nitto 450s. The Falken's are only H-rated.

 

Or go to 235-45-17 Kumhos. Should be $105 each or so. Available at discount tire. If you search 235-45-17, there is alot of choices. I personally don't have a "big" problem w/ the 235 on a 7" rim.

 

You and I both know people who do have a problem with it.

 

I agree with y2kse, go with the Nitto's. I have them on my max and just love them. Great handling over the stock Potenza's and great traction on wet pavement. But as suds1 said the tires are a bit loud when driving. That's a small price to pay for great handling! Best bang for the buck in my opinion.
The only reason I would go with the Falkens is that although they are H rated (Nitto's are V rated) they have a longer treadwear 420 vs. 300 from Nitto. Although 300 isn't bad for a high performance tire (Toyo Proxes T1S's have a treadwear of 280 and can be twice as expensive). But if you're stylin' for looks... definitely go with the Nitto's - they look pretty mean on the car!

 

Let's not start that again. lol. Anyway given the guy's situation, it should be fine. I actually 1/2 way against it if it can be helped. I'd run 225-50s on my rims if I could but I got 8" wide rims.

 

Thanks for your input, Jeff. Unfortunately, every tire manufacturer in the world disagrees with you and would dismiss your advice without so much as a moment's hesitation. But since we seem to need to go through this over and over again (something we shouldn't have to do for a Forum Moderator!), here's a thread to look at:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=107909

And here's a little advice from Dunlop:

http://www.dunloptire.com/tiretech/?...tire_width.txt

Check out the information in the Dunlop article under the heading RIM WIDTH.

The Tire and Rim Association of America, every tire manufacturer in the world without exception, and I all recommend that you do NOT mount 235/45R17 tires on your OEM 7"-wide rims.

 

Hmm "let's not start that again". I know very well what the manufacturer list as their recommendations for various wheel widths. That's why I said "I don't have a "big" problem with it.

I disagreed w/ a Nissan dealer once. Apparently they thought they knew more about VTC assemblies than I. They didn't.

Anyway, my reply had a "qualification" included in it and it's my opinion. Don't go "Bill" on me okay?

 

All right, Jeff. But keep in mind that most people around here look up to you because you're a Moderator. As a result, you more than anyone need to act responsibly when giving people advice. 'Nuff said!

 

All advice given or implied by Jeff92se is for advice and reference purposes only. Any advice taken by said Jeff92se is done at the reader's risk. Jeff92se will not be held liable for any damages as a result of Jeff92se's posts on maxima.org or any other board that Jeff92se choses to participate in.

Anytime you change something it's a risk. Like your aftermarket filter. You sure the micron filtering rate on your aftermarket filter is superior to the stock one? You sure your RT cat is a 3-way as some areas require to reduce NOx levels? You sure your RSB is not going to set up a unwanted oversteer condition that could pose a possible dangerous emergency situation(ie.. rainy) for someone?? Are you sure that STS is not putting undo/unusal stress on your shifting forks/synchros that may shorten the life of your transmission?

 

Like I said, Jeff, 'nuff said.

BTW, 225/50R17s are spec'd for 8"-wide rims. The acceptable rim width for 225/50R17s is 6" to 8". The acceptable rim width for 235/45R17s is 7.5" to 9". (Source: Tire and Rim Association of America.)

 

I got 2 more phone calls from 2 other manufactures, one was uniroyal, and they said that tire size would fit fine on a 17x7 rim, and the other manufacture I can't remember now. I think goodyear, but not positive.

 

The Ziex also come in V rated , i had them on my other car.
the Ziex are harsh and are very hard tires. They give you really good performence, dry and wet pavemnet. The only bad thing about them is that you feel every tiny bump on the road.

 

It's like me saying, I can't recommend you using a CAI over a POP, because you will suck up water by all form of standards and hydrolock your engine, actually stock intake is the best recommendation for this type of driving.

 

Does Uniroyal manufacture a 235/45R17 tire, Russ? If they do, I can't find a reference to it on their web site. If they don't, then their advice is worthless.

See if you can find out if the other manufacturer was Goodyear. If it was, whoever called you was smoking too much bamboo! NO GOODYEAR TIRE IN SIZE 235/45R17 IS SPEC'D FOR USE ON 7"-WIDE RIMS!

When are you guys going to get it? Tire manufacturers don't establish acceptable rim width ranges, national and international standards bodies do. And NO tire manufacturer will knowingly assume the liability for violating those standards. For those who are interested, the national standards body is the Tire and Rim Association of America. Here's their information:

http://www.tirestyres.com/assn/tara.html

If a tire company that actually manufactures tires in size 235/45R17 tells you it's OK to mount those tires on 7"-wide rims, GET IT IN WRITING! You may need it. And if you can get it in writing, send me a copy. I GUARANTEE I can get them to change their minds. I already got Nitto to change theirs!


Never underestimate the power of denial!

 

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We've all heard the arguments over and over and over. If people want more information, they can go to the other thread I started earlier and that you provided a link to.

Everyone doesn't need to argue this point again just to argue it. The fact still stands that some people agree with you and some people don't.

There's only one thing left to do: provide people with the information so they can come to their own conclusions. I think providing the link to the thread is good enough for that, all the information is there.
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Y2kse, how do you like those Nittos? I was going to get them but they don't look like they perform as well as the Kumhos.
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You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, TCm. And as I've stated before, what you or anyone else chooses to do to their vehicles is none of my business. But your opinion does not change the facts. And I will continue to state the facts how, when and where I think it's necessary to do so, particularly for the benefit of lurkers and newbies who may not be familiar with navigating the forum and are looking for advice in selecting tires. Whether or not that makes me popular around here doesn't concern me one iota.

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The Nittos seem to perform reasonably well. They're certainly preferable to the OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE-92s. I can't compare them to the Kumhos because I've never run Kumhos on either my Maxima or my wife's Maxima. But Kumho ECSTA Supra 712s seem to be regarded as the best performance tire on the market for the money. Unfortunately, they are not available in size 225/50R17.

It would be possible to mount Kumho ECSTA Supra 712s in size 225/45R17 on our OEM 7"-wide SE rims and remain in spec. However, the load rating for the Kumhos in size 225/45R17 is less than the load rating for the OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE-92s in 225/50R17. And it's not a good idea to select a tire with a load rating below that of the OEM tire. (FYI, the load rating for the Kumhos in size 225/45R17 is 91; the load rating for the Bridgestones in size 225/50R17 is 93.)

I hope that answers your question.

 

The best to go with would probably be Dunlop SP 5000 245/45/17's. They look real agressive on max's. I Have them on and I feel like the cooper tire comercial where the blazer is on a lift and it rip concrete form the floor when put on a lift. Better that the Falken's rating and last at least 34k. You might want to check into it. YES, 245/45/17 do fit on our cars without rubbing.

 

In addition, 245/45R17 tires maintain a better overall geometry than 235/45R17s when compared to 225/50R17s. Of course, if 235/45R17 tires can't safely be mounted on the stock OEM 7"-wide rims, neither can 245/45R17 tires. You'll need to purchase wider rims if you want to mount those tires and remain in spec. (BTW, The MINIMUM acceptable rim width for both 235/45R17 and 245/45R17 tires is 7.5".)

 

I had Nitto's 450 and i would never buy them again. My friend had nitto 555 and also does not want nitto no more. Here in NYC nitto's are just too hard, in my opinion, i'd go for anything else. I was happy with Dunlops.
just my opinion

 

Perhaps the cold weather has something to do with it, THEKNITE. I don't encounter the temperature extremes here in Los Angeles that you do in NYC. And so far, the Nitto 450s on my wife's GXE have responded just fine. But then I'd hardly call her an aggressive driver.

 

I agree, i was happy with them, only until i got donlups and felt the big difference in softness. The donlups absorbed all or most of the little bumps, making the ride a lot more pleasurable on the day to day driving. I'm soon to get Falkens, so i hope they're different than nittos.
peace