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Old Apr 16, 2002 | 01:20 PM
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HID theft reduction 'kit'

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see this post

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Old Apr 16, 2002 | 01:23 PM
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also..

there are other designs and bits, so we may not all have the same one. I may mix this up alittle, since we are posting this on the net.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Excuse my ignorance...

Excuse my ignorance but how would these attach the HIDs to the car?
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 01:59 PM
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this replaces the 10mm bolts..

these are the bolts you see when you open the hood. This meant to GREATLY increase the time needed to access the bolts. It would take about a minute to install these new bolts (about the same time it takes a thief to steal your lights). Hopefully the stickers would be MOST of the deterrant. Just the fact that you've prepared for them, should make them move on to easier targets. the sad fact is that if they enough time, anything is possible. But wont be a few minute smash and grab job as we have been seeing.
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Tim

I'm in.

Not sure I need to worry around here, but for around $20 why not.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 05:23 PM
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Count me in

I don't really like the idea of the stickers for the windows and I probably won't use them, but the internal warning stickers and the special bolts look nice.

I'm planning on getting a Viper 550 remote start\alarm, so hopefully this won't be a major concern for me, but for $20, why not.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 06:45 PM
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actually..

the stickers are 1/2 the cost of this. if you guys dont need/want them, it makes this all much cheaper.
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Re: actually..

Originally posted by TimW
the stickers are 1/2 the cost of this. if you guys dont need/want them, it makes this all much cheaper.
Cool. I don't need/want the stickers, just the bolts and removal tool.

I got a "Protected by 357" sticker somewhere around here. I think that might get my point across.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 07:15 PM
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Another idea?

Tim, have you checked to see if there's a way we could run a cable-lock (from bikes or laptop computers) to secure the headlights to the frame? I know it's not the cleanest idea, but probably a lot more secure. We could loop the cable (probably 1/8-1/16" thick) through a bracket on the headlight, then around a frame of the engine bay. With one laptop cable lock, you should be able to secure both lights and not have too much lack so the cable won't bang around. Just an idea. Cable locks go for $20 I think.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 08:24 PM
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hmmm

Ice: that only works in Texas

Tan: Yes, some people have drilled their housings to run a cable. Or a cable that destroys the ballast when the light is yanked. At that point, your lights are ruined anyway.

Thing here is, they wont be able to remove the bolts. They will have to decide how much time they have. But all they could do is hack saw the brackets. They wont get the bolts loose.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 08:33 PM
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In...no sticker needed. U have mail.
Old Apr 16, 2002 | 08:53 PM
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Interested ...

Interested with or without stickers. I think I would have to see what I could do with them first (the stickers).

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Old Apr 16, 2002 | 10:12 PM
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Hey...i'm definatly in..but thoes bolts..id be willing to buy 30+ for my audio system...i plan to use tamperproof screws simliar to that..if you can e-mail or instant message me on AOL ( Chinaonnitrous1 ) with where your getting thoes....mabey i can help everyone out buy buying a chunk of them.

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Old Apr 16, 2002 | 11:08 PM
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Larry...

head over to tamperproof.com
pick a type
http://tamperproof.com/products.html

then check out the price list
http://tamperproof.com/catdownload.html


Lew Friedman [Lew@tamperproof.com / 516-931-1616] can get you anything you need.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 12:22 AM
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hid anti theft

please count me in.
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Old Apr 17, 2002 | 06:01 AM
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Old Apr 17, 2002 | 06:17 AM
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I'm in... no sticker please.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 06:23 AM
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Re: hmmm

Originally posted by TimW
Ice: that only works in Texas

Tim, count me in, too. Small investment to protect the HIDs. I didn't realize that headlight theft was becoming a problem. Since I visit Texas alot, it seems like a good way to spend $20.

By the way, "Protected by a 357" also works in Arkansas. I've even got a permit issued by the state police that says I can.

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Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by Nick Exxon
...By the way, "Protected by a 357" also works in Arkansas. I've even got a permit issued by the state police that says I can.

Buzz
Works in Arizona too. Concealed weapons permits are easier to get then a drivers license. $50 and a class.

Now I just need an alarm pager. I seen one for around $50 on ebay.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 10:26 AM
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Re: HID theft reduction 'kit'

I'm in.
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Old Apr 17, 2002 | 10:31 AM
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Re: Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by IceY2K1


Works in Arizona too. Concealed weapons permits are easier to get then a drivers license. $50 and a class.

Now I just need an alarm pager. I seen one for around $50 on ebay.
Not quite so easy to get in Arkansas (but you would think so) and much more expensive.

I looked for a pager on eBay too, and didn't see any cheaper than around $150. I did a search on "alarm pager". Am I looking in the wrong place?

Buzz
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 11:07 AM
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Re: HID theft reduction 'kit'

Originally posted by TimW
ok, here's the deal. I need to gauge in interest in a 'kit' to reduce theft on our HID housings.

What I need is about 20 people at $20-$22 to make this work.

would consist of:

5 6mm x 1.0 x 20mm tamperproof torx. (one extra in case you strip one)
1 double side T27 specially keyed double ended bit (again in case you strip one end). Would work in any nut driver/screwdriver or 1/4" socket.



I know it shows a screw, we are getting a metric thread 'bolt', technically a button head screw. this design offers the ability to torque them down well. This design is rounded at resists vice grips. There is another part to this I will share with those who get the 'kit'

4 stickers. Laminate covered vinyl, suitable for automotive use. (still open to suggestions) 2 for affix on the top of the housing or the support member. 1x3 seems like a size that will fit in many locations on the light housing and open areas of the metal beam. the other 2 are small enough for window use.



I am getting ripped on the stickers. $135 for white, $150 for the yellow per 1000.

I am open to designs, what color you think they should be and ANYONE who has a cheaper high quality printer for vinyl labels.

a pack of 100 tamperproof torx is about $70 plus shipping off the net, $100 plus tax locally. Each driver bit is $7 off the net.

Do the math, anything I would make on this after shipping to you would be the result of rounding the numbers.

Who's in? Any ideas?

Tim,
Out of curiosity are these items something I can pick up at my local hardware store? Im interested in doing this because my job requires I take my car to some not so nice places and I would rather ensure the safety of my vehicle and its parts.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 11:40 AM
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please dont take any of this the wrong way, but ...

judging from the picture, it looks like these screws have a 5 or 6 star-type patern with a **** in the middle. I think that this special star with ****/button pattern is easily worked around with a smaller tipped flat head screw driver placed between 2 adjacent star points.
I may be picturing these as something they are not, but if I'm thinking correctly, these were/are used on cable boxes to prevent tampering, so i know they can be worked around

like i said, i could be wrong, but if they are what I'm picturing them to be, don't become too confident

also, a star pattern screw driver can be easily and quickly adapted to address the ****/button thing in the middle as well

but, it still makes a would be thieve take longer to try to steal them, so they will accomplish part of the goal here

just my .02
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Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by Nick Exxon


Not quite so easy to get in Arkansas (but you would think so) and much more expensive.

I looked for a pager on eBay too, and didn't see any cheaper than around $150. I did a search on "alarm pager". Am I looking in the wrong place?

Buzz
Damn it! I knew I should of bought it when I saw it.

I don't see the same system. It only paged, no remote start. If I see it again, I'll let you know.
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psu max...

there are other patterns.. there's another part to this that I have not mentioned here. you will not turn this screw, especially in a dimly lit parking lot. It is not meant to prevent theft completely. If you want to steal my lights, you're going to need *at least* 20 minutes of not being seen, good light and a Dremel and/or drill. As it is, they can get the lights before you realize that is *your* alarm you hear going off (if it does at all).


remykins: yes, alot of bolt places carry tamperproof stuff, but almost none in sizes metric. By all means, call around. if you find a better price per 100, let us know. my price is mfg direct. dont forget the bit price.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 02:50 PM
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Tim,

Can we order more than the 4 for the kit? I'd like at least 15 of these so I can bolt down all of my stereo equipment and anything else I want to secure a little better. Btw everyone, most insurance policies cover this sort of theft. My agent says I have to pay extra to cover add-ons, but it's not much extra and worth it.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 05:12 PM
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tan, see page one...

I posted my contact and link to the catalog.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 05:33 PM
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Re: tan, see page one...

Originally posted by TimW
I posted my contact and link to the catalog.
Tim,
I like the looks of the snake eye screw. That looks pretty damn tamper proof to me. either way I want in. Stickers dont much matter to me. Most people wont take the time to read them anyhow.
Old Apr 17, 2002 | 05:56 PM
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Re: tan, see page one...

Originally posted by TimW
I posted my contact and link to the catalog.
I'll check with him, but if they don't sell in quantities of less than 100, I'm stuck. If you order a pack of 100, I'll take 15, leaving 85, divided by 5 per person, leaves enough for 17 others to get their sets
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Found it!

Originally posted by Nick Exxon

I looked for a pager on eBay too, and didn't see any cheaper than around $150. I did a search on "alarm pager". Am I looking in the wrong place?

Buzz
COLOR LCD PAGER ALARM $49!:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1333876456
Old Apr 23, 2002 | 06:00 PM
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Re: Found it!

Originally posted by IceY2K1


COLOR LCD PAGER ALARM $49!:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1333876456
Clicked your link; auction was closed! Saw others for $58, but if I read the diagram right, it only has sensors for 2 doors and we all need 4 for the 4DSC!

Buzz
Old Apr 24, 2002 | 04:24 PM
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I'm in. Great 10 min. fix for $1400 item on this car. Keep me posted. Will you accept Paypal?
Old Apr 24, 2002 | 04:43 PM
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Re: Re: Found it!

Originally posted by Nick Exxon


Clicked your link; auction was closed! Saw others for $58, but if I read the diagram right, it only has sensors for 2 doors and we all need 4 for the 4DSC!

Buzz
Only need one sensor if you hook it to the right wire.

If the hood/trunk/any door are opened the dome light/SECU will trigger it.

The zones won't work that way, but for $50? I can make it work.
Old Apr 24, 2002 | 06:33 PM
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I'm in.
Old Apr 24, 2002 | 07:12 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Found it!

Originally posted by IceY2K1


Only need one sensor if you hook it to the right wire.

If the hood/trunk/any door are opened the dome light/SECU will trigger it.

The zones won't work that way, but for $50? I can make it work.
You're over my head now. I'm electronically challenged. What's the SECU, anyway?

Buzz
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Will this work for aftermarket HID kit? I have the Hanabi kit.
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 04:40 AM
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If you decide to go with the HID screw kit count me in.

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Old Apr 27, 2002 | 12:21 PM
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Old Apr 27, 2002 | 05:08 PM
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What happened??

Are we gonna do this?
Old Apr 27, 2002 | 09:39 PM
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I'm calling Monday...

to order the screws..



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