Don't have too much time now but i will post more later. I took my 2002 to the track and ran a 14.50@95.75. I was happing considering it was 88 out with 85% humidity. Not bad times when you do the corrections. Anyways, temple of vtec was there with two cars donated by acura to race with . a cl-s type s 6speed(man is that car nice), and a rsx type s. 3 different guys made over 30 passes with the cl and never got better than a 14.6@95.25. So its close, but we are faster. we lined up twice and i spanked him both times(my 14.5 and 14.6 to his 14.9 and 15.0).

-jason

 

Too close to say, its like yeah the CL-S ran 14.2 with a guy driving it, but so did a 6spd Maxima. The driver couldn't do better than 14.6. Anyways, why another CL-S thread? lol

 

how do you launch your car? I was at the track yesterday and the best I got was 14.995. THe weather was exact same as for you. (It was my first time too )

 

I have dragged alot with my 200SX. I used to run a 14.2 in that car with slicks, so I am not new to launching or running. Anyways, I first began to slip at 3k but found that to be too high with too much spin and axle hop. What I began doing was actually slipping it at 2k and nearly booging it, punching the gas, and letting the torque pull me out of the hole. i was getting consistent 2.23 60 ' times with a 95.75 trap. less humid and hot that is good for a 14.2@97.5. Also, I notice i was hampered a tenth by the 2-3 shift. If i tried to do it too fast, I would bounce out of it. Too slow and it sucked. The cable shifter is by no means ideal. But we are better off than the CL and its hydraulic clutch. It actually has a resistor that prevents you from popping the clutch(it automatically eases it out quickly when popped). This prevented the Acura guys from grabbing 2(barely a chirp) or 3rd. Meanwhile I nearly broke loose 2nd and tore a lound chirp in 3rd

 

A resistor? lol, whatever.

 

How did the RSX-S do? I guy at work has one I've been trying to run.


Russ,

Go home! The CL forum that is.

 

When I drove the CL-S 6psd the clutch was very touchy. Hard to drive smoothly...at least at first.

I'm dying to line up next to one. I dont think I'll be going to the track for a couple of months at least since it is so freaking humid and hot here now.

 

It's funny how when CL-S owners come in and post their times and compare to Maxima's the users here say things like "why are you comparing the CL-S with the Maxima, they aren't even in the same class"...

In reality theirs more Maxima owners comparing to CL-Ss...

 

The CLS is the closest competition to the Max. It doesn't matter anyway, since the CLS is being cancelled and most of them want the G35 coupe anyway

 

the rsx was a joke. it was posting 15.4@90.5. I must admit we were all down on HP with the heat in the mid to high 80's and also the humidity(200hp RSX should be 94mph trap and the CL-S and I both should be 97.5+). The CL-S is faster, and I believe very slightly faster than us stock. It is 95% driver in that race. They have ****ty stock tires(worse than us) so we have an advatage there. The interior on it is amazing.

-jason

 

The difference is that we are comparing ourselves to a "superior" class of car that costs more and SHOULD have more as a BENCHMARK like people have been doing for years against the BMW 3-series. They are the bar that manufacturers try to match.

We're NOT trying to compare ourselves with an "inferior" class car. The IS300 and CL/TL actually have competitors such as the BMW 330i, IS300, and many more to compare themselves against.

See my point? It makes sense to compare ourselves to a BETTER more costly car, but would it make sense if we compared ourselves to a Kia, Suzuki, Saturn, etc..?

No!

 

Nice times. Humidity is a killer!

 

The Potenza RE92's suck too.

 

Hi Jason, Shawn here from VTEC.net

Actually we ran back to back 14.5's that night. 14.52@96.2 and 14.53@96.1 mph 60 fts were 2.22 and 2.27. We actually put a drag newbie in the car and he ran a 14.6. Damn thing is quick for a stock car. You can see videos, slips, article report, etc. on VTEC.net in the next week or two.

Best time of the night for the RSX was 15.3@92 mph. Big problem with that car was wheelhop. We couldn't get off the line with any sort of rpm which really made it slow for the first couple hundred feet. Best 60 ft was a high 2.3. It was a lot closer to the CL-S on the road.

On our races, I seem to recall one where you misshifted and I won, and another where I misshifted - of course you did murder the RSX :-)

On the clutch issue, it isn't a resistor, but a restrictor. Some manufacturers put restrictors in the hydraulics for the clutch to prevent harsh engagement. I believe the BMW M5 is one, there are others. We haven't been able to get anyone to confirm this, but considering we could light up 2nd and scratch 3rd on the RSX and hardly get a peep out of the CL-S, there's something going on. The RSX clutch was easier to drive to.

Anyways, I agree with you that bone stock the CL-S is a _teensy_ _tiny_little_bit_ quicker than a MT Max. With your intake and your stickier tires it was pretty much dead even. Your 60 fts were really consistent. We only got a couple of 2.2s, but most were in the mid 2.3's. You seemed to be in the 2.2's all night. BTW, we ran the correction numbers for the night. NHRA standard showed our times at 14.20@98.x. Wish we could have run at Englishtown or Atco in NJ :-) Some guy up there ran a 13.9! Next time we'll air up the rear tires to 50 psi and drop the fronts a little more, maybe pull out the tool kit too.

Take care.

Shawn at VTEC.net

 

http://www.maximanet.com/f0rums/thre...ee6d1769f73fd2


Your competition is almost here!

 

Umm, o.k., thanks, I guess? That was useful and very relevant ;-)

SC

 

The TL-S is the closest. Sedan to sedan...can the comparability of the two be any more clear?!?

 

TLS CLS, I can't tell anymore Anyway, I sometimes lump them together just because they are so similar. My bad

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by notyper
[B]Hi Jason, Shawn here from VTEC.net

Well I have been waiting for you guys to post your review on vtec.net. All in all I do believe the CL-S to bit a bit faster. Not noticeably, but it will come down to all driver. I was pulling more HP though, which is weird(evident of my slightly higher traps). The guyss from vtec.net were alot of fun, and I am envious that they get to dog other peoples brand new cars The pitfall with the cl-s was their stock tires. Our stockers are crap but their Michelins are just plain terrible. With a upgrade of rubber, some better temps, we both could have been right at 14.0. Anyways, good to hear from you.

-jason

 

Your CL-S comparison is relevant to a Maxima?

The G35 coupe is comparable to the CL-S.
The G35 sedan is comparable to the TL-S.
The Maxima is comparable to the V6 Accord, V6 Camary, Passat, WRX, XG300, V6 Altima, etc.... NOT a $30K+ luxury car.
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Get the picture.

 

Nice to meet you too Jason. Actually, I think our traps were faster, although maybe not in our side by side runs. We pulled a couple 96+ mph runs and you were high 95's right? The slips are in Atlanta and will be posted with the article. Plus the CL carries around 200 lbs more weight (3470 with the Nav system we had). So, the power is probably pretty close (we dyno'd about 220, the VQ35 Max's dyno about 210 stock, right? Figure with your intake you're close). You were running a 5-spd though, not the new 6-spd, correct? I still envy your consistency in your launches. :-)

Oh, and IceY2K1, I was responding to Jason's post about our time at the track. He didn't set out to do some sort of Maxima vs. CL comparison and neither did we. We just happened to be at the track and hung out and ran the cars. Jason lent us a tire pressure gauge and was very cool and friendly - unlike you. So, there was no "my comparison", I was just adding to Jason's account of the night's events. Grow up. Besides, a fully equipped Max SE is close enough in price to a CL-S that some people might actually comparison shop them! Imagine that. People comparing cars of similar price, performance, and features. Will wonders never cease?!

SC

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gt1380a
[B]

 

1. Where are all you folks who think that the stock TL-S/CL-S is "just slightly" faster than the Maxima getting your data? Just a hunch or would that be a result of the 12-month research project and data gathering expedition you've completed?

2. I'm really not one to argue or defend my car as better than any one other...I picked it because I wanted it...but Ice...my man, why do you have to keep trying to make out the TL to be in some far away world of the luxury automobile which the Maxima does not reside in? That's like three posts in one thread with you trying to make that point. I mean, come on...you probably have driven them both. I've driven them both...what's the big difference? I mean the BMW 540...now that's in another class of car, but the TL/Maxima...whatever...same thing. Price has nothing to do with it...and the price isn't that different anyway. The difference is that there IS a low-end Maxima (stripped GXE) while there ISN'T a low-end TL. That doesn't mean that the high-end Maxima doesn't fit in a comparo with the TL. Maybe we should just say that the comparo is between the regular, everyday TL and a fully-loaded, state-of-the-art, top-of-the-line, all options included, total vehicle package, Maxima. I just don't see the big difference in the cars from a "class" perspective.

 

Don't get me wrong. I really like the CL/TL and would easily take one over the Max, but they didn't have a manual trans, 4-doors, and it was more money than I cared to spend at that time.

I'm not knocking you. Just saying I'd care less if the CL-S is a faster car, since it should be and more for $30K+. I paid around $24K(not fully loaded but I'd rather do it myself) and I know 2K2 are going for that much.

I'm just anxious to see the G35 coupe put the smack down on lots of cars in and above its class. I'm just sick of Acura guys comparing themselves to a Maxima when the I35, G35, 330i, IS300, Jaguar X-type, etc is a better comparison, nothing personal. Glad you guys had fun, wish I could have been there. Later.

 

I dont know about Acuras, but F-bodies have this "feature." There is specially sized fitting that limits how quickly the clutch can engage. It can be drilled out...

 

I agree they are quite EQUALS, which is a COMPLIMENT to the the Maxima and a PUT DOWN for the Acura.

I was just poking fun, nothing more. It's just FUNNY that some Acura guys get all big headed when they beat a 3.5L Max, when just awhile ago they were doing the same with the 3.0L.

I like both cars, I'm just a little anxious to see the G35 coupe. That's why I posted that out there. I don't go to the Acura board to tell stories or compare my car to theirs. It's just getting old to hear how the Acura is faster than the Maxima when IT SHOULD BE and I know I'm not the ONLY one here that feels that.

 

Maxima vs Accord

TL vs I35

TL and I35 there are no stripped versions.

Maxima and Accord they are stripped versions.

You compare apples to apples. You can't compare the TL to the Max.

 

Oh really? I owned a 99 TA 6spd, my friend owns a 6spd 99 Z28. We can spin and launch that clutch like mad. There is no such thing on the clutch.

 

I disagree with your logic, at its core. A car does not get rated as a high-end, luxury sedan merely because the same car manufacturer makes a lower-end car. Just because Honda/Acura calls the Accord their entry level sedan and the TL their high-end sedan, doesn't put it out of the Maxima's reach. Similar logic would say that the 330i can't compare to the TL, because that's the entry-level sedan, but does compare to the 540i, because that's what BWM would call their higher-end sedan. In this case, specifically, the Maxima/I35 are damn near identical, while the Accord/TL are not...so your logic loses more of its credit. To use your "apples to apples" analogy...you're logic also depends on both Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti agreeing on the defition of an apple, which they have not mentioned in any press which I've seen.

I'm getting sick of people comparing the TL to the Kia Magentis...clearly the appropriate comparison is the TL to the Hyundai Sonata - the luxury, high-end sedan in the pair.

 

I gotcha...I'm with ya'.

 

And where does the Altima fit into all this? Compared to the Civic? Please. There's no logic behind your argument.

 

And the Sentra is just so low-end that Honda won't even lower itself to make a car that cheap.

 

LOL

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by notyper
[B]Nice to meet you too Jason. Actually, I think our traps were faster, although maybe not in our side by side runs. We pulled a couple 96+ mph runs and you were high 95's right? The slips are in Atlanta and will be posted with the article. Plus the CL carries around 200 lbs more weight (3470 with the Nav system we had). So, the power is probably pretty close (we dyno'd about 220, the VQ35 Max's dyno about 210 stock, right? Figure with your intake you're close). You were running a 5-spd though, not the new 6-spd, correct? I still envy your consistency in your launches. :-)


that is right, i never hit 96. I think a best of 95.89 or something. you were also running back to back and so on a cooler engine you may have been slightly higher. i forgot the weight dif with the cl-s. Stock VQ35's dyno 205-210. with intake the are hitting 215-217 i think. Mine is a 6 speed. Sticker to sticker, my max was 31,800 to 33k for a cl-s type s. thats pretty damn close. i was able to deal down to 25.5 but it is still a $32k car. They are in the same range. The CL-S had a MUCH nicer interior though, it was sweet. Anyways, post the write-ups, cause my friend with the RSX still doesn't think he couldn't run faster than that because "the magazines ran a 14.7". Yeah, once

-jason

 

Ummm whatever your smoking, can I have some?

 

Well doesn't matter the G-35 owns the tl -cl!! Your choice four door or two door doesn't matter G-35 = Skyline = OWNAGE!!!

 

Me too!! I like what your smoking!

 

Russ the magazine test's never show a I35 with a TL; only a G35 With the TL

 

Can you say : .. the CL-S !

 

should be more like altima vs accord....