Soon as my friend's 2004 WRX is broken in, we're gonna do a 20 mph roll-on. I'm in an 04 Max SE. I'll let y'all know how it goes :-D

 

It's an SE auto tho :-(

 

i think u might take it the wrx i mean... there all off the line thats it..

 

keep us updated on this one.. but remember hes stick so if u do a 20 roll he can be in first and get the jump on u, but use sportshift u can maybe be in first to or second..

 

Yeah I'm planning to use the sportshift to get in 1st. From there tho, I wonder if auto or manual mode is better for shifts near redline. I believe it shifts itself at 6500 either way (while redline is 6800?). Any thoughts?

 

get out does it really shift by itself?? so what your saying is if i dont shift it when its in manuel mode it will just keep shifting for me??

 

Sadly, yes. Read the "SportShift jacked?" thread where everyone's going ape over it...

 

from a roll you should be good for maybe a one- two car lead, plus after 100MPH, those things are slugs

 

you will smoke him. last year i raced one in my old 95 auto with intake, y pipe and cat-back. i also had two friends in my car, he was alone. it was a stick (im pretty sure) WRX, and from 50-120 he gained about 2-4 cars on me in two different races. if you took my friends out that would cut his lead to about 1-3 cars. considering you would beat me pretty bad in my old car, i think you would fare very well against him.

 

Sorry guys..

I'd give it to the WRX for most of the way. You may start to pull away at 100 mph, but that WRX is takin' your lunch omney until then.. Depends on the driver.. WRX is very fast from dead stop, then the AWD gives some sticky traction off the line. Then, the AWD system is just like hauling a bunch of gears..

If you take him under 100, I will be very very surprised..

 

Oh lord, here we go again

 

If the guy can drive the WRX good, it will win. Those things pull like a raped ape when driven well. I know a guy who has made consistant mid 13 second runs at 100-105 mph in a STOCK 02 WRX.

 

I'm very suprised that a stock wrx ran a mid 13
the best is perhaps a low 14@90mph

as you can see by the 90mph trap speed the 04 maxima should be able to take it for sure from 20 to 80mph.

 

I had a WRX with a little mods and I ran a 13.2 @102, my 60 foot time was a 1.68. that car was crazy fast.

 

race him and well find out

 

As were all of us. We are part of an informal local DSM group. I have his very first run in the car on video somewhere, I'll try to find it. I think the first run was a 13.7, that is with the car have less then 300 miles on it, in 85 degree heat. He just picked up the car for his wife, they picked it up earlier that day, and then headed to the track to meet up with us. He decided to make a pass right before closing. (it was a saturday afternoon session) Everyone was blown away. He has made faster runs now, 13.49-13.6's. With 60ft times in the 1.8 range. Of course, the car is on it's second clutch in less 10,000 miles.

 

Well, according to the acceleration computer and the stats for each car, it will be you in your 2004 Maxima SE with 5 speed auto who wins this race. But first let me say this, it's going to depend on first if the 5 speed auto in the Maxima SE is the same as that in the Infiniti G35!
I assumed it was and entered it's gear ratios and final drive ratios in to get that results.
It's also going to depend on your elevation where you live.
In a hypothetical scenario and "adjusted" to 65 degrees with 35% humidity, zero wind, level road, and at sea level this is what should happen. Of course this isn't perfect, but it's surprising how close to reality it'll be.

04 maxima SE 5 speed auto

Rolling start starting in 1st gear (about 3125 rpms)
20-30 ... .79 seconds
20-50 ... 3.31
20-80 ... 9.12
20-100 .. 14.56

The WRX with a 5 speed manual will get the following times:

20-30 ... .68 seconds
20-50 ... 3.52
20-80 ... 9.54
20-100 .. 16.66

as you can see, the WRX will jump ever so slightly on you at first, then you begin to pull away slightly up to 80 mph. After that, the WRX's AWD begins to hurt it and your Max will pull significantly.
This also assumes he has the car in 1st gear and just floors it.
If he revs up the engine and drops the clutch at 20 mph, he might jump quite a bit more on you and you may not pass him until you get very close to that 80 mph point.

But remember, this is at SEA LEVEL.
I'll repost what the results would be at 3000 feet in elevation.
Turbocharged cars have a HUGE advantage when the air begins to thin.

 

At 3000 feet in elevation:

04 Maxima SE 5 speed auto

20-30 ... .87 seconds
20-50 ... 3.62
20-80 ... 10.14
20-100 .. 16.50

WRX 5 speed manual

20-30 ... .69
20-50 ... 3.58
20-80 ... 9.64
20-100 .. 16.86

As you can see here, 3000 feet more in elevation hardly affects the turbocharged car, whereas it forces the Maxima to go to 100 mph before pulling ahead of the WRX. This race would be a wash!!

 

Ooh interesting. Well first, he's a very good driver (I think 14.8@96 in his Celica GTS, and it's a bad track...). He seems to think I'll own him, but we'll see... he's just about at break-in now :-D

 

these dam calculations, its like mag racing lol and i dont think the gear ratios are the same in the g35 and the max

 

Well, if anybody has the gear ratios for the Max 5 speed, I love to have them.
As for the calculations, well...like anything else in life, scientific calculations are as close as you are going to get to the real thing while eliminating human error.
Don't kid yourself, these calculations take just about EVERY factor into account, you name it, it's in there.
You can even adjust the friction based on different types of tires, or based on road surface.

There are, of course, some faults, but hey name something in life that IS perfect.
It also gives a pretty good indication as to which cars are underrated and which are overrated.

And NO, it's not like magazine racing. Mag racing has WAY too many unknowns, and WAY to many differing variables, and then there's the mags like Car and Driver who "correct to standard atmospheric conditions"
Say what? That's about as lame as it gets. Why don't they just do like Road and Track does and list the conditions of that particular day. How often does the "standard atmospheric conditions" exist in a 365 day year?

Magazine racing is way imperfect, the scientific computer, while not perfect, is MUCH closer to reality and what a car can do...albeit if the power the manufacturers claim is correct.

Take your Spec V
At sea level in 65 degree weather on flat surface, no wind, with the specifications of that car and everything pretty standardized for the average street you get the following times (I'll just give you 3)

0-60 in 7.42
0-100 in 19.49
1/4 in 15.5 @ 88.87 mph

funny how that's about exactly what the cars been tested doing.
Of course, there's always a give or take based on oh so many variables.
By the way, the computer shows a 1700 rpm dump clutch launch is the best for that car.

 

Actually the G35's gear ratios are quite different from those of the Maxima. I've posted a thread listing them.

 

Great, where are they?

Or better yet, what are they, I'll plug them in!

 

There is no way a stock WRX can run mid 13's and trap 100-105 unless it is the 04 STi or modded. I was running 14.3@94mph stock.Sorry but I build these cars and race them.

A stock WRX doesn't trap high at all. Like any boosted car, all it takes is a simple MBC and forget about it. There are guys who have invested in no more then a $1500 along with some tuning and turning 13.0-12.9s on stock turbo, stock ECU, stock IC.

I personally think you will take a stock WRX with a 6th gen on top end assuming you trap higher then a stock WRX.

Not all WRX are slow from a roll. Given the right mods and tuning, watch out. I have launched numerous times at the track slipping at my usual 4K and doing a stand still. Doing a stand still I ran 12.5@111 with my previous setup. This is with a 2.1 60ft whereas I usually pull 1.7 60fts. So like I said, modifications can fix anything.

I know kit99bar is on nasioc.

 

What is your opinion of the Cobb Tuned versions that my local Suburu dealer sells?

 

Cobb is very good at tuning cars. Not many peope persue Cobb due to their pricing on parts. To be honest Vishnu and TXS are on top right now as far as staged kits.

If you want tuning, I would say Cobb, TXS, Vishnu, Pruven are among the best for big companies.

I have been dealing with a place in Canada called Ultimate Racing where they do tuning as well.

If you have any questions on anything, feel free to PM me. Cheers.

 

yah, also it was me he raced

we did the 20-100 race. in 1st gear he was at my rear bumper, by the end of 3rd he was about 4 cars ahead. 4th gear the gap stayed at 4 cars. not exactly as I predicted. I did not think I would keep close in 4th and I did not think he would pull so hard from 70-95 =)

 

We finally did it! Man, you guys on here know your stuff. Here's the rundown...

20-65 he pulled maybe a car length
65-100 started catching him and then gained "4-5 cars" according to him(?!)
100+ less distancing

Looks like my 3rd gear rocked him hard, and then not as hard a pull from there... We got maybe 4-5 races in, but not all good (in one I went to auto mode, in another he started in 2nd, and then once I started late)...

All in all, fun!!

 

Get an intake.. and it will be a good race !

 

Well once again, exactly as the acceleration computer said, and as I passed that info on!
Once again, to those who think the scientific calculations are unreliable and like "mag racing", well....

 

My friend has a WRX and I have a 2002 max. On the highway I own him, he could not catch up for sh*t.

 

actually it was not right
like 40-85 he pulled a lot
then 85-100 he hardly pulled if any.

 

You need some mods man.

 

Also should take into account that I was > 3/4 tank (20 gal tank) and he was < 1/4. That's probably 100 lbs. heavier than I should have been...

 

PM'd you man

 

when u guys raced where you in normal drive or in tip tronic???

 

Tried both. Shift points looked the same to me. It worked better in tiptronic since I could start in 1st though. Easy on the question marks buddy.

 

Huh??
Read his results!
He said:
20-65 he (WRX) pulled maybe a car length
65-100 he (maxima) began catching him and then pulled 4-5 car lengths

How exaclty is that NOT right from what I stated?
You need to read it again.
I said, the WRX will jump out at first, then the Maxima will begin to catch (by 80 mph) and pull significantly after that!

He said, he (maxima owner) began catching from 65 mph and by 100 mph had pulled 4-5 car lengths. That's significant and just as I stated the computer program said. That's pretty d@mn accurate all things considered.

 

Oh, and I tried to race a guy in a blue WRX the other day.
At two separate times he pus*sied out!

Actually, here's what happened.
I was cruising in my 02 Max GLE with my fiance and up behind me comes this guy in a new Civic Si. Sucking my @ss gas.
We come up to a light and next to me was a blue WRX and behind me was the Civic Si.

The WRX and myself were the second cars at the light. When the light went green, the car in front of the WRX took off faster than the car in front of me, giving me a decent gap to punch it and go.

The Civic Si driver, tried in absolute vein to keep up. His car was modded with at least an intake and exhaust, I could hear it when he pulled up behind me the first time and when I took off, I could hear him jump on it too. We were heading northbound on Sepulveda this past Monday or Tuesday.
By the time I hit 70 or 80 mph, I was a good 5 car lengths on the Civic Si, maybe more.
Since I was in a 40 mph zone, I backed off, and slowed down to 40, a second or so later the Si driver passes me.
He also had custom wheels (looked like 17 inchers)

The WRX was quite a bit behind (he obviously didn't try).
Then the next light goes yellow and then red. The Civic Si driver pulls into the right lane because it was open. I stayed in the left lane because it was open.
I said, okay, here's another chance to waste that Civic Si with his mods.
The WRX then pulls up behind me.
I told me lady, okay, let's see if this WRX will have a go this time.
I roll down my passenger window to ask the Civic Si guy, what mods he has.
He wouldn't even look at me, and pus*sied out and turned right.

So, it was the WRX and myself.
Light goes green, I jump on it, just enough to get a bit of wheel spin, but that's it.
By the time I cross the intersection, I look into my rear view mirror to see if the WRX is going to pull up alongside or just hang onto my @ss.
He did neither.
He wasn't even 1/2 way across the intersection. So, by the time I even hit 40 mph I back off the throttle.

A disclaimer here.
I'm 31 and since I'm not a "kid" anymore, rarely do I "street race" and almost NEVER with a passenger on board, especially my lady.
But I've never had a chance to see what the Maxima would do against a stock WRX.
I've blown off a couple Civic Si's in the past, so that wasn't a big deal.
And since the road was wide open in front of us, I let her rip for just a bit.

 

FYI, I think you guys need to go and look at the General Maxima Forum and look for the video of an 02/03 Max getting raped by a WRX from the roll several times before just ASSuming what an 04 Max would do against one on the roll.