Ok Guys hows it going??

Well as you know, I have the 13.6 Wilwood BBK for my car and its absolutely FAAANTASTIC.

However at $1500 its not an option many will go for.

So Brian at fastbrakes.com has come up with a new BBK solution.

http://fastbrakes.com/shop/index.php?cPath=30_200

$590 for a whole front BBK kit, including

Wilwood Superlite 4 pot calipers,
Aluminium Brackets
SS Lines
BP-10 Pads

this System utilizes your front stock rotors

I'm getting the adapters so that I can use my stock rotors and stock wheels for the winter Time.

Enjoy Amigos.

Kamski

 

So I can upgrade to a larger rotor in the future?

 

Thats cool, maybe il upgrade to those wilwood fronts some day.

 

Damn it Kam! This is just another thing that I want to get and is a reasonable price!!! But I think i'll keep my mind set on the RTP rotors + Hawk pads in a few weeks!

But like someone else asked, if you were to get those calipers, then could you upgrade to a larger rotor?

Dan

 

Here is a really simple questions from a guy who is a noob to modding cars (and NEVER does the work himself): If one were to buy these for the front, could he put the old front brakes onto the rear (as they are larger are they not?)? Or would this be a totally different part?

 

NO....

and not only that, you would mess up the break Bias and spin out the first time you hit the breaks on a turn... and that would fukk up your day.

And yes, if in the future you decide to upgrade to a bigger rotor all you do is get a different bracket that moves the caliper forward an inch and presto you can use the 13.6 inch rotor which is what im using.

On a side note, those of you who run slotted, slotted/drilled, drilled rotors. Is there any difference in noise from blanks?

The reason I ask, is because I'm going to be putting on my winter wheels soon so the BBK has to go hibernate over winter. My SL rims wont fit over it.... so stock brakes are going on for winter. And I'm debating as to keep the old OEM rotors I have or grab a new set of Drilled or Slotted?

Reccomendations fellas?

Kamski

 

and my response

So for me to go to 12.5 inch OEM size rotor all i have to do is go back to a smaller adapter bracket.

Still Deciding on type of rotors to use for winter time, i know it wont be RTP i bought the rear slotted ones from a forum dude here, used them for just over 2 months and they have rusted to sheet already. The "zinc military plating" is a bunch of bullsheet. Maybe i'll buy Brembo Blanks.

Kam

 

if you used the above mentioned calipers, what bracket would you need and what rotors would correspond with it?

 

Will the stock 18's clear these brakes or would I need a spacer?

 

Here's a simple and in a way worthless question, but can those calipers be silver or are all of them just black?

Dan

 

Bracket is the new one made by fastbrakes.com to accomondate the stock 6th gen ROTOR.

 

Yes, with 5mm spacer, I use my stock 18's to run on the track with a small spacer. The wilwood letters are the only things that berely touch the inside of the wheel spoke, the spacer solves that issue.

Kam

 

They come black or for $200 they can be polished.

Kam

 

Hello Kamil

I think you're in for a big surprise when you take off your Wilwoods. I don't know the difference between 4 piston willwoods and OEMs but the difference between 6 pistons that my bro installed is extreme. I drove his car for maybe half an hour and when I got into my max I panicked at the STOP sign. I was like where da hell are my brakes.

He has the same wheels as you do and they clear the 6-pot calipers with room to spare. I want to get the same BBK as he has but use stock 18" rims which I am going to keep for a while cause of new tires. You've mentioned that the 18" rims clear your 4 piston calipers with a 5mm spacer. Would the 5mm spacer also work with the 6 pot stuff. I don't want to buy spacers and end up with wrong stuff.

Is the new willwood kit listed on fastbrakes already?

 

It is, and guess what. The 6 pot caliper is actually smaller in size then the 4 pot. So u prolly wont even need spacers on the 6 pot.

4 POT

6 POT

Kamski

 

6 pots are a little wide than 4 pots, 2.35" vs. 2.15" per side.

That's a pretty good deal since you can get decent replacement stock-size rotor for a few hundred dollars.

How about rear?

 

You're comparing 6 pot from the two new sets correct? I want to install the 6 pot set with 13.6" rotors, same exact kit my bro has.

As far as I understand the calipers are different in all 4 sets; meaning that the 6 piston caliper is not the same in the kit that comes with rotors and the one that doesn't

 

No no, same calipers different bracket.

Kamski

 

So, let's sum this up...'cause my nose is bleeding (it's been a long day and it's only noon):

Are the 4 POT better (significantly...$600 worth) than the OEMs? I won't be driving like a bat outta hell, but I like the weight reduction and the idea that they're there if I need 'em. I remember when you posted about these, Kam. You mentioned that there was, in fact, a difference. If so, I'm probably all over these things.

To upgrade to the larger rotors, it's $910? Rotors and a bracket for $910 extra? Maybe that's normal. Set me straight, fellas. I don't want to seem out of line. But I've never purchased aftermarket brakes before.

And will the 18's fit over the 4 POT? I've got G35 19's now.

 

The weight reduction of the calipers will have almost NO EFFECT because it's dead mass and not rotating mass.

 

I agree. Every little bit helps. Try removing all of the seats from your car. Then run the QTR mile. It makes a difference. As they say, 100 lbs = 0.1sec.

 

1) No gain in power with the 12.5 bbk but your steering wheel would be a touch more responsive to steering input and you will get more feedback from the steering column while driving over bumps. This is due to way way lighter caliper. 4.5 lbs versus 14.5lbs.

2) Eventhough the 13.6 rotors are larger they are lighter becuase the hub area is made of lightweight T6 ALUMINIUM. Now with the lighter rotors you lose 7lbs of mass per rotor so your gain power because your engine moves less rotating mass. Its also easier to stop due to larged contact are and less rotating mass to stop. Therefore better braking power.

Kamski

 

$910 is ****** stupid but yeah thats how the price structure works, just email Brian sales@fastbrakes.com and tell him I sent you, maybe you'll get a better deal

18's fit with a 5mm spacer, i bought my spacers for $5 at a local tire shop.

Kamski

 

I like this deal, but I e-mailed him a week ago and they don't make them in red.

 

thats cause red is

tee hee hee

 

I still don't thing the difference is $910. I believe these are different calipers. I tried getting ahold of Brian but no answer there.

 

No, unless you can prove me wrong

 

I don't mean to prove you wrong but the rotors are $180 each and the brackets are $110. I don't understand where the 910 difference comes from.

 

Oops. Sorry for creating a firestorm of controversy. It's kinda like "Did TO take the missing 35 pills, and if not are they really in this 'drawer' he speaks of"?

 

Did he declare a party affiliation too?

I'm more skeptical now as I think about this. 2 pots from Baer sells for about $800, and Stillen charges $200 more to put their name on them. $590 is a hell of a deal, I'm not passing on this.

 

Me neither (passing on this). Just want to be sure of what I'm getting. These look great!

 

I emailed Brian to see if these are the same calipers as the full kit, or different ones. If this stands, early Merry Christmas to me...

 

hey while we're on the subject of these brakes and rotors question....i remember someone posting in the past that slotted conserve on the pads...and cross-drilled don't...however i was asking someone about it and he told me the other way around...that slotted rotor are lik meat cutters on the pads...can someone...(KAM) set me straight...thanks.

 

I spoke to Brian today and have all the info for you guys. He even lowered some prices. I have it all written down at work so I will give you an update tomorrow when I get to it.

Peace

 

With this new brake setup how long is the pad life if say you drive like normal and what about the rear

 

OKI DOKI - HERE IT IS FELLAS!

I found the paper in the car. This is where we stand with the kits. This information was obtained directly from Brian. I called him today to clarify some questions we may all have.

The following kits are available from Brian at fastbrakes.com

Willwood 6-Piston with 13.6" rotors - $1700

Kit includes 6 piston Willwood calipers, pads, 13.6" rotors, hats, brackets with hardware, SS lines, manual

Willwood 6-Piston with 13.25" rotors - $1500

Kit includes 6 piston Willwood calipers, pads, 13.25" rotors, hats, brackets with hardware, SS lines, manual

Willwood 4-Piston with 13.25" rotors - $1250

Kit includes 4 piston Willwood calipers, pads, 13.25" rotors, hats, brackets with hardware, SS lines, manual

Willwood 6-Piston kit / no rotors (mounts over stock rotors)- $890

Kit includes 6 piston Willwood calipers, pads, brackets with hardware, SS lines, manual

Willwood 4-Piston kit / no rotors (mounts over stock rotors)- $590

Kit includes 6 piston Willwood calipers, pads, brackets with hardware, SS lines, manual

The reason there is such a big difference in the price between the kits with and without rotors are the hats. I was explained that the hats are $250 each and rotors about $180 each. you need 2 of each for the installation. Anyway as you may have noticed he has dropped the price on the kit with 13.6" rotors to $1700 and with 13.25 rotors to $1500.

That is all the information I was able to obtain from him. He is a nice guy and I already bought the 6 piston kit w/13.6 rotors from him about 2 months ago. One unbelievable package. I am definitelly going to get a 6 piston set for myself proly within a next month or two. Just haven't decided whether with or without rotors.

Hope it helps, Peace

 

I guess we now know where the extra $910 went

Here you go bro

I'm gonna buy a new set of Drilled only rotors to use for winter time cause the way I drive I'm chewing through thease pads like a retarded person on sand............. only thing is I have to find something other the RTP cause their **** rusts out very quickly.

Kamski

 

I promise you thease will outbreak anything out there, unless you get the 8 pot BEAR or Brembos.

If you go with OEM size and lets say Slotted Rotors your are SET SET

Kam

 

i'm still waiting for the 4 piston front and 2 piston rear FULL bbk set...lolxz i hope they start on it soon...lolxz

 

Duuude

E-mail Brian. He can make the rear two pot set base on the Dynalite single (dualpiston) caliper and use the stock rear rotor

Kamski