So i bought 2 KCMAXX rear stability bars. I have the first on in the place its supposed to be, and im trying to decide where to put the second one.

I can either put it directly below the first one

i can put in horizontally under the first one

i can bend the flanges and put it vertically (along the z axis of the first is y) under the first one.

any other ideas? it would really be beneficial if i could find a new place for it all together, but i don't have any idea.

i was trying to sell it but no one wanted it, so im just going to put it in my car.

 

i bought two because even tho 1 well prevent any horizontal and vertical movement, i don't think it actually counteracts body roll, or twisting. and if you see an actual anti-roll cage, you can see they are constructed with two vertical, two horizontal, and and X through the middle. I don't think the X is necessary for my application, so im thinking fitting two bars parallel to each other would be best. This would create 6 fixed points of stability vs. just two with the bar and subframe. ill explain more...

if you think about a square (1 RSB and subframe) you are very strong with horizontal and vertical forces, but you can still you can still squash the square if you add pressure on opposite sides of the hypotenuse, which is what body roll is, the twisting of the frame. SO, if you add a middle beam to the square you can't squash the structure along that line anymore, because it prevents movement in all 360 degrees. that middle beam would oppose any direction of the first bar and subframe. So 1 bar would help strengthen the cars original structure, but 2 would eliminate body roll all together! (in that area of the car) It basically becomes as rigid as the yield stress points of the bars.

can anyone find a flaw in this?

 

 

BAhahahaha

 

your not going to get two on there....delete this thread its making you ORG.HISTORY

 

No don't delete the thread. I gotta see how this is going to end

 

Haha...WTF.....two take pics I want to see....GL....

 

You're trying to put 2 rear strut bars on one car? And then you try to justify it? buahahahhaaha

 

You could always put the second one on top of the rear deck to stabilize the back seat when cornering hard. Or how about between the headrests of the front seats? You could tell people it's a 2 point roll bar.

 

Stabilizing both front seats is key to proper weight transfer while going around a corner, especially before, during and after the apex of a turn.

 

attach it to the 2 rear doors...

 

If I am not mistaken, you are trying to do something that has already been done and there are pics on the org to show it. Go to my6thgen and look at KCMaxx's thread for his RSB. I think you will see 3 different cars with that setup already. I know for sure you will see Deadbolt's panda with the 2 bars. If I get a chance, I will go get the pic and come post on your thread.

 

Sorry, got carried away. Your overthinking something that is simple. Good luck

 

watch me

 

excellent


and 2000 maxima king, they are not strut bars, they are stability bars and all track cars have multiple bars for making their cars more rigid. whats wrong with justifying that?

 

come on the sarcastic jokes are great ! but gemme some intelligent reasons why this is a waste of time?

 

You mean a roll cage, right?

 

You're trying to make a roll cage out of strut bars....

 

haha yeah, thats one way to look at it.. i know its no roll cage, but the more the merrier!!

why not?!

 

This just keeps getting better and better

 

 

Ok twentyeggs, you have made me spend an hour to get you this results. Makes me feel like I have to charge you, but since its the org, it is free. LOL. Just kidding. But I have searched a lot and could not find the thread I wanted to show you. But I found a sticky with pics. Go to the link and read more. Here are pics from the sticky. Let me know if you need any more help. Next time, there would be a fee for free org information, if you do not want to search and find it for yourself. Just kidding...., we are here to help each other out any time. Goodluck.

 

Here ie the link on my6thgen...,

http://my6thgen.org/f106/how-install...ace-rstb-1591/

Here are the pics from the link...,

 

 

Is one or both of those bars carbon fiber? Unless it's solid, a hollow carbon bar is going to flex and give.

 

This seems like a case of "something's available so I'll put it on my car." x2.

 

I believe it is vinyl. the lower one you can see it doesn't wrap all the way around.

I prefer to use my split seats opening.

 

they are rolled metal, same stuff as the front strut bars... the "carbon fiber" is an overlay. they are incredibly durable. no flexing here.

you guys are some haters lol ... i knew i wasn't the only one with the idea. and if you take physics in mind, or know anything about structural engineering (i took some basic civil engineering college courses where i learned about the 6 fixed points thing in terms of a bridge trestle), the idea of having two far outweighs the benefits of having just one. i'd go as far as saying have just one wouldn't really do anything for you.. plus they are only 70 bucks... thats pennies..

im using the same principle as a roll cage. If roll cages didn't do anything then why would every car built to track be equipped with support braces, beams, rods, cages. me putting on two support braces to mimic a component of a roll cage is no different than someone buying a CAI for some more power, yea its not going to do much, but this is a hobby over time all the little things you do here and there add up and your car is that much better.... the hate is running real thick in here!!

 

Here is a quote from my6gen with a guy who has done exactly what i want to do read it and weep...

 

Full roll cages in race cars has one main purpose, to survive violent car crashes that would kill you instantly if it were a standard car. Chassis rigidity is a secondary factor.

Chassis bracing is just that, chassis bracing. It's not designed for increased crash protection. It's designed to reduce unwanted chassis flex for better handling and stability.

 

yes but you put roll cage in any car and its going to be as stiff as a board.. i didn't mean that a roll cage's primary function was to protect in a crash, i was refering to how it was built and how to decreases flex and roll and how i was doing that with stability braces.

well said tho.

 

So are you hitting up a road course or what?....

 

yes actually, my LA crew and I are doing a track meet at adams track in Riverside!!

if anyone is interested hit me up!!

we are planning to do it the first Tuesday in December. here is some more info:

Tuesday Nights are Time Attack night at Adams Motorsports Park. In Time Attack, the premise is simple: you versus the clock on our road course. Any car, any driver – whether it is your daily driver or a dedicated track machine, Time Attack at Adams Motorsports Park lets you can push yourself and your car around our fast and technical track while the stopwatch measures your every run. Test yourself against some of the best drivers and fastest cars in Southern California each Tuesday night. Time Attack isn’t just for drivers – passengers can ride in any car, and spectators can enjoy the dinner and live DJ trackside all night. Tuesday Time Attack & Grip Pricing

Driver $20.00 per session
Pit Pass / Ride Along $10.00
Spectator $3.00
6pm – 9pm every other Tuesday night (check the schedule)
Concessions stand, vendor displays, snack bar and great music including Guest DJ’s some nights!

 

I was just thinking that. Unless the car is going to see track days on a road course, a double chassis brace/bar probably wouldn't serve any purpose on a street car. 6th gens are tanks compared to my 5th gen. You've got the laws of physics working against you more than I do.

 

They do 1/4 mile racing there to or no?

 

Oh now we're haters and you're an engineer

First you're a mechanic but measure an 18 inch wheel as 19.5

Then you're a nurse and have a twin turbo corvette but don't even understand basic engine tuning and want to buy an ebay "turbo" kit for the maxima.

Really, bro? You've made an *** out of yourself on various levels time after time. No ones a hater you're just an idiot.

Idk where you get the idea of sticking bars all over your interior as "stiffening your chassis", who ever believes that is

 

I was reading the review up above and hit the link and seen the Sig the guy looks to be on Coilovers...just wondering what other suspensuion the guy has....

 

oh no, don't start the 5th gen vs 6th gen thing... you know your car is only 250 lbs heavier stock, and as most modded 6th gens sit we are lighter than a stock 5th gen.. so tank? i think not...
just a tad heavier? more like it..

and yes, i do track my car, i am also getting progress springs and progress rear sway bar installed on Wednesday. i am going to be track worthy very soon, hence why i started to inquire the .org for the second RSB thing.

Thanks petitfreremax you came through this time! i appreciate it. i was just looking for some solid advice or insight on my idea, and you found that and a tutorial lol

 

You want to stiffen **** up get lower tie bars...

 

its called changing majors, i did it 3 times, (firefighting, engineering, business, and i am sticking with nursing because i don't need to work my way up to affording a 10 second car, you make a killing your first week)

i sold the vette because i couldn't afford the up keep of a race car when i went back to school, i bought it for 5 grand less than my maxima. you act like no one can afford a corvette? you can get my old vette for 18k with low miles........

and my question on tuning had nothing to do with me not knowing how it works, and in fact, YOU were wrong. i contacted Uprev directly and what they told me was that what YOU told me, was incorrect. so congrats for being the know it all that doesn't really know it all

and the ebay turbo was a blip, i was more interested in the universal intercooler kit, not the actual turbine. i am going with turbonetics turbo and a universal intercooler kit.