Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
I wasn't aware the Altima had such things as an air conditioned driver's seat and a heated steering wheel.
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
I do know I have spent time sitting in Altimas, and did not get the feeling of luxury I do in the Maxima. The history and reputation of the Maxima is also superior to the Altima.
I am not sure what you mean by the "history and reputation of the Maxima". The Infiniti name has more prestige to it than the Nissan name, so the G35/G37 beats the Maxima on that ground. The 07 Altima was Consumer Reports' best sedan in its category, so the Altima has beaten the Maxima on that ground. Lets see what the 09 Maxima can achieve in terms of "reputation".
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
And I have not liked the rear taillights on the Altima since the redesign of around 2002.
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
As far as space, the shortening of the '09 Maxima by just over ONE INCH was handled by indenting the lower two-thirds of the back of the front seats two inches so the floor in front of the rear seats could be shortened without losing knee room. I have sat in all four seats of the '09 for the primary purpose of comparing the room/space with my 6th gen. I really can't tell any difference.
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
Of course, with a shorter wheelbase (by an inch or so), wider track (stance), and strengthened chassi with parts from the 'M', the '09 Maxima is a better handling car than the 6th gen or the Altima.
I test drove a 08 Altima just after a 09 Maxima, and I am not ready to believe the 09 Maxima's handling is any better than the 08 Altima. If you can show me numbers, I will believe it, otherwise not.
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
Lastly, not to say appearances are important, but I love the fresh new 'Coke bottle' shape and athletic look of the Maxima, which bears no resemblance to any Altima ever built.
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6566574)
Carrying vanity slightly further, a base Altima sells for around $17K, and looks much like a $30K Altima that would be equivalent in price and equipment to the '09 Maxima. Certainly not a vehicle I would have any interest in.
While the 09 Maxima has some good points, it is certainly not a good car for the money, given its current price. It will certainly be a good car for the money if Nissan starts incentives worth $2000-$3000. IMHO. |
bb700092 - At first, I thought your series of responses were contradicting my statements, but after reading them, it seems we are looking at the same things, and just viewing them from different positions.
I would never deny the Altima is an excellent car, and a better value for the money. I think most folks would say that. For someone on a budget, or someone that just wants the most car for the money, I would suggest they check out the Altima. Of course you are correct that, just a few years back, the Altima leaped up to the Maxima in many ways - some even say leaped past the Maxima in some ways. And the next Altima will doubtless bring it nearer the Maxima again. That is the nature of generation redesigns. I agree with you that the G35 and G37 are luxurious, but 35 years of driving RWD vehicles was about 34 years too much for me. I have owned nothing but FWD vehicles since buying two 1985 Maximas, and I will never go back. I have found FWD does better in rain, snow, ice, mud, slippery slopes, unpaved roads, and several other situations. My wife, who also drives the Maxima, agrees. Having the rear wheels not driving the car means they are less likely to slip to the side in curves on wet roads. For my style of driving, FWD is clearly safer. I also like the smaller tunnel (no driveshaft) running through FWD cars. I agree with you that some people will like the Altima looks better than the '09 Maxima. Every person's taste is slightly different. It just happens that I very strongly prefer the Maxima looks. Of course that is partly a product of the fact I have owned nothing but Maximas for 24 years. We do seem to disagree on image and reputation between the Maxima and Altima. The Maxima has been virtually an icon for many fans for around 25 years, while, until around 2002, the Altima was considered by most folks to be just another car. Even to this very minute, the Maxima is considered by most automotive fans to be somewhat special, while the Altima is considered (even by Nissan) to be the 'car for the masses'. I somewhat agree with you on pricing. My dealer currently has a $1,500 'Appearance' fee AND a $3,500 'Market Adjustment' tacked onto every '09 Maxima. That puts their price into the $35K to $42K range. But nobody in their right mind will pay that. I plan to have my '09 with Premium package before the end of this year, and I will not be paying more than $32K to $33K for it. As to quality of finish, those who have already purchased the '09 say everything is put together very nicely, with excellent finish quality. They also say the new CVT is much better than the one on the Altima or the '08 Maxima. As to comparing the 7th gen Maxima with the next gen Altima, that is sort of like the hundreds here who compared the '07 Altima to the '07 Maxima. The latest gen of cars that are somewhat similar will always have the advantage, but that dosen't make one car better than the other over the long haul; just at that instant. We must also slightly disagree on pricing and purchasing, in that folks do not always buy in what might be described as their 'price range'. I have paid straight cash for every Maxima I have bought since the 1980s, and could buy a $70K Lexus or Benz and pay cash if I wanted. But I feel the Maxima is a much better and more practical car for my purposes, and costs half the price. I also know folks (two are neighbors) that buy $70K cars on 7 year terms that stretch their budget. People can't always be 'pigenoholed' when it comes to cars. As I said at the beginning, we are seeing much of the same things, just fitting them into different mindsets. That makes us humans. |
Light, here is my point. I do not find anything in the Maxima that the Altima cannot inherit in its next midcycle refresh or new generation. So, if you want a Maxima today, get it for $35k. But if you can wait, wait for a year or two and get the same car (but in a different name and body style) for $30k.
Note that this is not the case with all cars. For e.g., you can't say the same between the Altima and Sentra or between the Avalon and Camry. Toyota has kept the Avalon different from the Camry by size, if not anything else. Honda did not find that necessary and made the Accord almost as large as the Avalon. Nissan seems to be confused. Infiniti has maintained its difference between the G and M by size, if not anything else. Why can't Nissan do the same with Altima and Maxima? Since waiting for a year or two will get me same car as the Maxima (but in a different name and body style) for $5k less, I cannot justify buying a 09 Maxima unless it is priced very close to the Altima. |
[QUOTE=bb700092;6568239] Nissan seems to be confused. Infiniti has maintained its difference between the G and M by size, if not anything else. Why can't Nissan do the same with Altima and Maxima?[QUOTE]
I think that Nissan was indeed confused about the Altima-Maxima relationship when it brought out the '04 Maxima and then virtually matched it with the improved (and same size) Altima a few years later. This caused confusion amongst buyers, and effectively 'painted the Maxima into a corner.' I became concerned for the future of the Maxima. But I feel Nissan finally thought through this, realized making the Maxima even bigger was not the way to go, and came up with the best solution: The Maxima will be more upscale than ever before - a true flagship to be produced in limited numbers - around 70K, while the Altima will continue its steady improvement as 'everyman's car', be an excellent performer that is very nicely equipped, sell 250K copies, and make Nissan rich. I think Nissan has its act straight now, and will be very careful from here on out to keep the Altima separate from the Maxima in purpose, image, appointments, HP, handling, available options, and styling. Not by much, but definitely by a little. I would think Maxima will stay wider than the Altima, shorter than the Altima, possibly not quite as roomy as the more family-oriented Altima, more edgy, aggressive and spirited than the Altima, while the Altima will be more tasteful and conservative, and have more models availably with more tranny and engine options, hybrids, etc. I also think that a top-of-the-line Altima will continue to be priced very near the Maxima SV (maybe $2K or $3K difference). I could easily do just fine with an Altima, a G35, an M, a Lexus, or a BMW. But I have felt for over twenty years that the 'personality' of the Maxima best fits my (probably deluded) image of myself. There will never be any question that the Altima would be the solid choice economically. But despite the rhetoric we often hear, most folks look at more than practically when buying a new vehicle. For many (and even I fall in this category), their vehicle becomes a 'public portion of themselves.' Yes, there is a lot of vanity in vehicles for many of us less-mature souls (such as me). Some might even say I sort of live through my Maxima. I can't deny that. |
It's obvious everyone would vie for the 6spd Manual but I think because my wife will want to drive it then it should've been outfitted with a 7 speed CVT.
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Originally Posted by bk2k3max
(Post 6577526)
...it should've been outfitted with a 7 speed CVT.
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Originally Posted by jcalabria
(Post 6578153)
:rofl:
I'm not sure what you find that is so hilarious. Obviously i know a 7spd CVT doesn't exist but this post is about what trans we would've liked to have in the Max and since this is a dream post I thought I'd say something that I feel Nissan should make and offer. BMW have a 7spd Auto offering in their flagship car, so why not??? After all, this is all just a wishlist. It's guys like you who kill this forum always trying to one-up someone with your so called knowledge of automobiles. It's obvious you think you can pick on me because I'm labeled as a newbie here but don't let that title fool you because I've been a member here every since I first bought my 2k Max and then later a 2k3 Max in the 90's. Somehow or another my membership was placed on hold and now that I just bought an 09 I feel it is time for me to comeback and see what's up. Good to know that we have a few wise-asses here and that things obviously hasn't changed that much. |
Originally Posted by bk2k3max
(Post 6578407)
I'm not sure what you find that is so hilarious. Obviously i know a 7spd CVT doesn't exist but this post is about what trans we would've liked to have in the Max and since this is a dream post I thought I'd say something that I feel Nissan should make and offer.
BMW have a 7spd Auto offering in their flagship car, so why not??? After all, this is all just a wishlist. It's guys like you who kill this forum always trying to one-up someone with your so called knowledge of automobiles. It's obvious you think you can pick on me because I'm labeled as a newbie here but don't let that title fool you because I've been a member here every since I first bought my 2k Max and then later a 2k3 Max in the 90's. Somehow or another my membership was placed on hold and now that I just bought an 09 I feel it is time for me to comeback and see what's up. Good to know that we have a few wise-asses here and that things obviously hasn't changed that much. |
Speaking of the CVT, does anyone know if the Maxima CVT is toroidal or hydraulic? Or other? All I know is that during the two test drives I've done, the CVT has been awesome, and I've always driven manual transmissions...
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Originally Posted by Neptune97
(Post 6579415)
Speaking of the CVT, does anyone know if the Maxima CVT is toroidal or hydraulic? Or other? All I know is that during the two test drives I've done, the CVT has been awesome, and I've always driven manual transmissions...
As to its technology... it's a belt/pulley system, maybe more appropriately called a belt/"push"ey system, as the steel belt is actually a collection of small steel plates with a flexible "backbone" to hold the plates together. The primary pulley pushes the belt elements together so that it essentially becomes a rigid rod which transfers the torque to the secondary pulley in compression, rather then in tension as in the typical belt/pulley system. The belt... http://asia.vtec.net/article/mmt/04.jpg The Belt & Pulleys: http://www.familycar.com/roadtests/n...cvtdrawing.jpg The complete Nissan/Jatco CVT: http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...tawaySmall.jpg |
Originally Posted by MAXIMAK99
(Post 6579232)
The reason they laugh is because a CVT (Continuous Variable Trans) cannot be a CVT if it is limited to 7 gears. And yes BMW may have a 7 speed tranny, it's not like it can not be offered, but limiting a specific # of gears to a CVT just can not happen in order for it to be a CVT.
...plus the fact that the Nissan CVT is already a "210-speed" CVT. The stepper motor that controls the pulley positions has 210 discreet positions that can be selected by the TCM. 210 "speeds" should make a BMW 7-speed or Lexus 8-speed seem "inadequate". I wasn't being critical or feeling "superior" or anything like that... it was just seeing the term "7spd CVT" that made me laugh. No offense intended. |
Originally Posted by MAXIMAK99
(Post 6579232)
The reason they laugh is because a CVT (Continuous Variable Trans) cannot be a CVT if it is limited to 7 gears. And yes BMW may have a 7 speed tranny, it's not like it can not be offered, but limiting a specific # of gears to a CVT just can not happen in order for it to be a CVT. And don't take this as an insult or arrogance on my part because I'm sure there are many other things that you may know about cars that I do not. Oh and how could you have bought a 2k and 2K3 Max in the 90's? Congrats on the 09 though, I am envious of you, but enjoy. :cool:
Cool, I realized I made a mistake when i said I been a member since I bought my 03 in the 90's, a simple typo, I was trying to do 2 "0"s but I hit the 9 key instead. I'm aware of the CVTs actuation without gears, I know it is not like an auto but as I said this was a wishlist and while we're at it Nissan should go ahead and drop a turbo or 2 in this Biatch and call it a "SUPERMAX" and make it AWD with a 6spd or 7spd like BMW. Wouldn't that be something?? |
I wonder if anyone will come out with a tuner for the CVT, all the time I read about these tuners for pickups with 10 different settings for more power for towing, for track use, economy shifting, Nissan should offer a program like this for the Maxima, with a push of a button you go from economy cruising to performance track use
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Originally Posted by STARR
(Post 6579947)
I wonder if anyone will come out with a tuner for the CVT, all the time I read about these tuners for pickups with 10 different settings for more power for towing, for track use, economy shifting, Nissan should offer a program like this for the Maxima, with a push of a button you go from economy cruising to performance track use
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Originally Posted by bk2k3max
(Post 6578407)
I'm not sure what you find that is so hilarious. It's obvious you think you can pick on me because I'm labeled as a newbie here . . .
bk2k3max - jcalabria laughed at your post for the same reason I did: it struck a 'funnybone'. Of course we both knew you weren't saying the CVT had gears. We knew you just came up with a really neato way to say you wish the '09 had a normal tranny with 7 gears. I can vouch that jcalabria has never bashed anyone here, even newbies (which you are not) or seniles (which I am). Of course you have since said everything was cool, which is cool, but I wanted to be sure you knew jcalabria is that rare poster who never bashes anyone. |
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6580398)
bk2k3max - jcalabria laughed at your post for the same reason I did: it struck a 'funnybone'. Of course we both knew you weren't saying the CVT had gears. We knew you just came up with a really neato way to say you wish the '09 had a normal tranny with 7 gears. I can vouch that jcalabria has never bashed anyone here, even newbies (which you are not) or seniles (which I am).
Of course you have since said everything was cool, which is cool, but I wanted to be sure you knew jcalabria is that rare poster who never bashes anyone. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by lightonthehill
(Post 6580398)
bk2k3max - jcalabria laughed at your post for the same reason I did: it struck a 'funnybone'. Of course we both knew you weren't saying the CVT had gears. We knew you just came up with a really neato way to say you wish the '09 had a normal tranny with 7 gears. I can vouch that jcalabria has never bashed anyone here, even newbies (which you are not) or seniles (which I am).
Of course you have since said everything was cool, which is cool, but I wanted to be sure you knew jcalabria is that rare poster who never bashes anyone. |
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