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Old May 5, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by doublea
I would guess it's probably like 4-5 pound each.
I bet they weight a lot more than that.

Steel weighs .283 lbs./ cu. in.
One of the most useful numbers is: one square foot of 1" steel weighs 40lbs
(really 40.8lbs)

So, quick math says a square 1/4" thick being on quarter the dimension, is 10lbs

Also, a 3" square tube with 1/4" wall one foot long is nothing but a one square foot piece folded up, it's 10lb also.



Originally Posted by VQuick
Dude, please do! If you go the 1/4" sheet steel route it would be extremely easy to mass produce and you could make a great profit on them. I'm sure you could sell at least 10 if they were reasonably priced, and depending on how well they work, maybe a lot more than that. I would be first in line to buy.

I have LTB II, SFCs w/ stage II, FSTB, RSTB, chassis foam throughout, and two types of sound deadener in my cabin. I still get rattles and thuds, but it seems like they are mostly from the front of the cabin. I suspect fender braces would really make a difference, strengthening the last really weak link in the chassis.
Tube the whole car, problem solved.... j/k

Due to weight, I'm thinking that the traditional "Truax style" might be the way to go, due to weight savings. The negative to the Truax style is there will be a little more time involved in welding. I'm still researching some stuff for both options
Old May 5, 2009 | 11:10 PM
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To the OP: Where did you get that lip for your Max? I'm kinda digging it more than the ground effects kits that they have on most sites. I'm guessing it's probably a custom job?
Old May 6, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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Let's see, which is more complex, coilovers with springs, gas- and oil-filled dampers with complex valving, spring seat, threaded shafts and lock rings, many other small parts, all of which have to be designed and tested to fit each application with acceptable dynamic properties, and which comes with a warranty in case the parts fail.

or

a single plate of steel with no moving parts or testing beyond crude fitment. $175 is highway robbery.

Wizard, I'm glad to see you're giving fender brace design serious consideration. You should check back in the Truax 4th gen thread if you haven't already; he had a bunch of photos up which you could use as a model. He might even give you other design details if you asked him. Obviously his design was better, but IMO 1/4" steel plating is such an improvement over the thin sheet metal and spot welds currently holding our cars together than it might be best to just go the simpler route.
Old May 6, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Sorry guys, I have been really busy the last few days, I'm meeting with my friend this coming friday morning so I'll let you know how much he would charge to duplicate my fender brace.
Old May 6, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by VQuick
Let's see, which is more complex, coilovers with springs, gas- and oil-filled dampers with complex valving, spring seat, threaded shafts and lock rings, many other small parts, all of which have to be designed and tested to fit each application with acceptable dynamic properties, and which comes with a warranty in case the parts fail.

or

a single plate of steel with no moving parts or testing beyond crude fitment. $175 is highway robbery.

Wizard, I'm glad to see you're giving fender brace design serious consideration. You should check back in the Truax 4th gen thread if you haven't already; he had a bunch of photos up which you could use as a model. He might even give you other design details if you asked him. Obviously his design was better, but IMO 1/4" steel plating is such an improvement over the thin sheet metal and spot welds currently holding our cars together than it might be best to just go the simpler route.
And you guys all still jump for k-sports at $400 and wonder why they are such junk...

the way truax designed them had weak points and who knows how they would've turned out, but I also applaud him for the ideas and the development of his products, I had them on my maxima.

but like I said, all you had to do was call the guy. None of you did it, I talk to hector once a week. So this intiative that you all want these things is all just talk, not one of you took the opportunity when given to you to possibly get these things for cheaper then what we listed the price at. The opportunity was there but as no surprise you guys tore at it a pack of lions, this is the 3rd product I brought to the table for the maxima community and it was the last one. So how do you think I feel when I bring a product, that I was there to help to develop and you guys shot it down, just cause of price but if you had brought all this talk to the table, maybe just maybe there would have been an opportunity for a lower introductory price, but no one bothered to try.
Old May 6, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Hey Dave, I certainly dont want to undercut Hector. I bought a set and paid the asking price and I'm very happy with it. The only reason I want to verify the duplication cost locally is because of our weaker currency value and this alone may bring the price down, but it's not a guaranty and maybe I will fall face down when they tell me the price. The actual economy bring people to be as cheap as they can possibly be, so if I can help the community one way or another I'll be happy to do so.

On another note I know this will steal hours from my family and I wont make a penny out of that, I'm doing this as a return to the org members who has been very supportive during my project, plus I still need the expertise from many of you until the car start and run properly.
Old May 8, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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I don't see how I could have Hector fab up a set for my 4th gen when I live over a 1000 miles away. If a local 4th gen had stepped up so he could start producing, I would have been first in line to get my own set.

Drunkie, I certainly appreciate your bringing this opportunity to the Maxima community, and I don't think anyone here was attacking you or Hector. I was just trying to state my opinion that if he lowered the price to a reasonable value, he could sell quite a few of these. Whereas at the current price, he has sold...two?

The way capitalism works, if you set the price too high you don't have enough interest for a viable business. You seem to be upset about that. Did you actually pass on to him that there was interest, but the price was a sticking point? I hope so, because it would be great if he considered that.
Old May 8, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by VQuick
I don't see how I could have Hector fab up a set for my 4th gen when I live over a 1000 miles away. If a local 4th gen had stepped up so he could start producing, I would have been first in line to get my own set.

Drunkie, I certainly appreciate your bringing this opportunity to the Maxima community, and I don't think anyone here was attacking you or Hector. I was just trying to state my opinion that if he lowered the price to a reasonable value, he could sell quite a few of these. Whereas at the current price, he has sold...two?

The way capitalism works, if you set the price too high you don't have enough interest for a viable business. You seem to be upset about that. Did you actually pass on to him that there was interest, but the price was a sticking point? I hope so, because it would be great if he considered that.
He was willing to send you a set with a small deposit to cover shipping at the time and test fit it yourself, the hinges for the doors I know are the same distanace apart on 4th to 5th gen, I honestly don't think there would have needed to be any changes.

All is done and in the past. He is still around for anyone who wants to call him.
Old Jun 9, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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your car is so much cleaner than mine is.
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