What is the best 5th gen full coiloever setup for under 1k?
happy hunting.... cant blame you for not wanting used..
10-09-2009, 06:25 PM
#12
I would go with bc's if I could find them...I clicked that link and it seems shady to me....lol And when I try to find my car on the list it only says the coilover are available for 02 and up model maxima's..which doesn't make sense since 00-03 suspension are interchangeable
seriously, right?
10-10-2009, 07:08 AM
#16
Crap? I know ppl who have 4th gens who've been riding on d2's for 60k miles and say it rides like new and still rides great. I'm just trying to figure out which would be better for my 5th gen, in other words I would like to get opinions from a 5th owner who has had these coilovers...
10-10-2009, 09:58 AM
#17
I am running BC coilovers right now. No one can say anything about them since they have not had them. They ride very good not harsh at all, very smooth, it eats the potholes away on the road, they make no noise what so ever which is really good since they are the pillowball type. I have no bouncing effect, and my body roll is very minimal. My friend has had ksports and said my car rode 1000x times smoother with far less noise. He was actually very suprised. They are just a company that is coming up, and people are still scared to use them because of there price being so reasonable. Try them and you won't be dissapointed.
I would say the smoothness compares to stock except when you go over bumps and make turns since the coilovers have far less play which is obvious.
Right now I am running them at 20/30 on the hard side a bit, but when you put it to under 10 it is so smooth.
And yes there might actually be a good coilover setup for under $1000 you just have to take the chance.
I would say the smoothness compares to stock except when you go over bumps and make turns since the coilovers have far less play which is obvious.
Right now I am running them at 20/30 on the hard side a bit, but when you put it to under 10 it is so smooth.
And yes there might actually be a good coilover setup for under $1000 you just have to take the chance.
10-10-2009, 07:43 PM
#18
Do you know what I do for a living? What I've done before this job? What I've done to/ with my car? (I'll give you a hint.. There's a reason I moderate this forum......)
What's your experience designing brake and suspension systems for Maximas?
Until you can list that on your resume, then you need to pay attention to who you're trying to talk down to.
Just because the Maxima was built in Japan doesn't mean anything. In fact, the 95-03 Maximas were pretty much pieces of junk. I don't know a whole lot about the 04+, but considering the 04 model had several recalls in the first year of production, I'd venture to say the quality there isn't that wonderful either.
Look at pretty much all of the model lines Nissan made from 94 until about 02 or so. They're crapola compared to the build quality of the stuff from the early 90s and now.
As for the aftermarket stuff, you get what you pay for. You simply can't put together a good shock, quality spring, and decent mounts/perches for under $1000. It just doesn't happen. The engineering behind it makes it impossible.
A good set of shocks alone will cost you $600. Springs are $60 each, so that's got you to $840. Throw in the adjustable perches at $50 per side and then $450 for a good set of adjustable pillowball upper strut mounts and spring perches.
That's got you at $1500, for a minimally decent set of coilovers. You can knock off a few bucks designing everything as a system, but you still can't buy the quality bearings and seals and materials and do the machining for under $1000. It just doesn't happen.
So if your friends have been driving on D2s for 60k miles and think they're great, then why are you bothering us with questions if you already know the answer? Do you just like trying to argue, or do you have a real point in this thread?
10-11-2009, 07:03 AM
#19
Everyone loves to bring these up but the fact of the matter is very few have them and they seem impossible to come by. Does Larry even visit the forums anymore?
And NissanTuner, it would be in your best interest to listen to Matt, trust me
And NissanTuner, it would be in your best interest to listen to Matt, trust me
10-11-2009, 09:44 AM
#20
Oh and BC Racing offers $100 rebuilds.
http://www.eracingzone.com/BC-Racing...g-p-44263.html
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-03...01510004r27022
http://www.eracingzone.com/BC-Racing...g-p-44263.html
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-03...01510004r27022
10-11-2009, 11:23 PM
#23
Crap? I know ppl who have 4th gens who've been riding on d2's for 60k miles and say it rides like new and still rides great. I'm just trying to figure out which would be better for my 5th gen, in other words I would like to get opinions from a 5th owner who has had these coilovers...
clueless, eh?
Do you know what I do for a living? What I've done before this job? What I've done to/ with my car? (I'll give you a hint.. There's a reason I moderate this forum......)
What's your experience designing brake and suspension systems for Maximas?
Until you can list that on your resume, then you need to pay attention to who you're trying to talk down to.
Just because the Maxima was built in Japan doesn't mean anything. In fact, the 95-03 Maximas were pretty much pieces of junk.
Do you know what I do for a living? What I've done before this job? What I've done to/ with my car? (I'll give you a hint.. There's a reason I moderate this forum......)
What's your experience designing brake and suspension systems for Maximas?
Until you can list that on your resume, then you need to pay attention to who you're trying to talk down to.
Just because the Maxima was built in Japan doesn't mean anything. In fact, the 95-03 Maximas were pretty much pieces of junk.
Seriously though, I like turd gens and all but no maxima is a sports car.
10-12-2009, 06:59 AM
#24
Who ever said anything about the Maxima being a sports car? I was referring to the build quality of the 4 and 5 gens, and Nissan's other offerings made at the time. Keep in mind, I've owned or worked on just about everything Nissan has made in the last 15 years, as well as a decent compliment of Honda and Toyota, so I've got a pretty good idea of how well they were put together.
self-owned: 93 Maxima x 2, 95 & 96 240SX, 95 Hardbody, 97 Altima, 04 G35
Family-owned (which means I maintained it like it was my car and have been over damn near every inch of it): 95 Altima, 06 Quest, 93 hardbody, 96 Pathy, 00 & 04 Maxima
Done significant amount of maintenance work for customers: 00 Pathfinder, dozens of 3,4,5,6 gen Maximas, couple B13s, several B14s, several S13 and S14s, Z31, Z32, Z33, Infiniti J30, I30, Q45, G20, G35.
So umm yeah. I think I've got a decent handle on how they were put together.
That said, build quality has little to do with performance. Performance of the Maxima may be superior to that of it's other-brand Japanese equivalents (Accord and Camry), but the build quality is not. And the Maxima is no sports car. Even with my highly modded 3 gen, my similarly-modded S14 is considerably quicker around the track, even though it's 25mph slower at the end of the straight. (power isn't everything)
Now back to the discussion at hand... Regarding the build source of the DC, K2, and BC coilovers- they're all made in China. You can *occasionally* find decent stuff made there, but for these brands, you're not going to get anything past mediocre. They may look nice and shiny now and work great for the first year, but come back in 2-3 years of beating them on the street and/or track and see how they're holding up.
self-owned: 93 Maxima x 2, 95 & 96 240SX, 95 Hardbody, 97 Altima, 04 G35
Family-owned (which means I maintained it like it was my car and have been over damn near every inch of it): 95 Altima, 06 Quest, 93 hardbody, 96 Pathy, 00 & 04 Maxima
Done significant amount of maintenance work for customers: 00 Pathfinder, dozens of 3,4,5,6 gen Maximas, couple B13s, several B14s, several S13 and S14s, Z31, Z32, Z33, Infiniti J30, I30, Q45, G20, G35.
So umm yeah. I think I've got a decent handle on how they were put together.
That said, build quality has little to do with performance. Performance of the Maxima may be superior to that of it's other-brand Japanese equivalents (Accord and Camry), but the build quality is not. And the Maxima is no sports car. Even with my highly modded 3 gen, my similarly-modded S14 is considerably quicker around the track, even though it's 25mph slower at the end of the straight. (power isn't everything)
Now back to the discussion at hand... Regarding the build source of the DC, K2, and BC coilovers- they're all made in China. You can *occasionally* find decent stuff made there, but for these brands, you're not going to get anything past mediocre. They may look nice and shiny now and work great for the first year, but come back in 2-3 years of beating them on the street and/or track and see how they're holding up.
10-13-2009, 11:38 AM
#26
While this is generally true it is not a fact nor a rule. There are cars that are half as expensive as others and are nicer, faster, better in all catagories...etc...same could be said with car parts...there are some $40 intake systems that are as good as $400 ones...I also did not ask for input about teins'. Stay on topic plz.
Last edited by NissanTun3r; 10-13-2009 at 11:48 AM.
10-13-2009, 11:43 AM
#27
Who ever said anything about the Maxima being a sports car? I was referring to the build quality of the 4 and 5 gens, and Nissan's other offerings made at the time. Keep in mind, I've owned or worked on just about everything Nissan has made in the last 15 years, as well as a decent compliment of Honda and Toyota, so I've got a pretty good idea of how well they were put together.
self-owned: 93 Maxima x 2, 95 & 96 240SX, 95 Hardbody, 97 Altima, 04 G35
Family-owned (which means I maintained it like it was my car and have been over damn near every inch of it): 95 Altima, 06 Quest, 93 hardbody, 96 Pathy, 00 & 04 Maxima
Done significant amount of maintenance work for customers: 00 Pathfinder, dozens of 3,4,5,6 gen Maximas, couple B13s, several B14s, several S13 and S14s, Z31, Z32, Z33, Infiniti J30, I30, Q45, G20, G35.
So umm yeah. I think I've got a decent handle on how they were put together.
That said, build quality has little to do with performance. Performance of the Maxima may be superior to that of it's other-brand Japanese equivalents (Accord and Camry), but the build quality is not. And the Maxima is no sports car. Even with my highly modded 3 gen, my similarly-modded S14 is considerably quicker around the track, even though it's 25mph slower at the end of the straight. (power isn't everything)
Now back to the discussion at hand... Regarding the build source of the DC, K2, and BC coilovers- they're all made in China. You can *occasionally* find decent stuff made there, but for these brands, you're not going to get anything past mediocre. They may look nice and shiny now and work great for the first year, but come back in 2-3 years of beating them on the street and/or track and see how they're holding up.
self-owned: 93 Maxima x 2, 95 & 96 240SX, 95 Hardbody, 97 Altima, 04 G35
Family-owned (which means I maintained it like it was my car and have been over damn near every inch of it): 95 Altima, 06 Quest, 93 hardbody, 96 Pathy, 00 & 04 Maxima
Done significant amount of maintenance work for customers: 00 Pathfinder, dozens of 3,4,5,6 gen Maximas, couple B13s, several B14s, several S13 and S14s, Z31, Z32, Z33, Infiniti J30, I30, Q45, G20, G35.
So umm yeah. I think I've got a decent handle on how they were put together.
That said, build quality has little to do with performance. Performance of the Maxima may be superior to that of it's other-brand Japanese equivalents (Accord and Camry), but the build quality is not. And the Maxima is no sports car. Even with my highly modded 3 gen, my similarly-modded S14 is considerably quicker around the track, even though it's 25mph slower at the end of the straight. (power isn't everything)
Now back to the discussion at hand... Regarding the build source of the DC, K2, and BC coilovers- they're all made in China. You can *occasionally* find decent stuff made there, but for these brands, you're not going to get anything past mediocre. They may look nice and shiny now and work great for the first year, but come back in 2-3 years of beating them on the street and/or track and see how they're holding up.
Just because you've done maintenance work on several cars doesn't make you an authoritative professional on all things suspension does it? Thanks for your input but I am looking for ppls opinions who have or have had 5th gens and who have had these coilover setups...so I can get true second hand opinions on which coilovers to buy....your opinions means nothing since you dont have a 5th gen and haven't ran these setups. We now know your opinion on this matter so you can GTFO...
kthxbye
10-13-2009, 11:46 AM
#28
Oh and BC Racing offers $100 rebuilds.
http://www.eracingzone.com/BC-Racing...g-p-44263.html
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-03...01510004r27022
http://www.eracingzone.com/BC-Racing...g-p-44263.html
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-03...01510004r27022
I thinkll ill go with the bcs since they seems to be regarded highly around here...
10-13-2009, 11:51 AM
#29
Yes and I personally love them. Firm yet forgiving, now don't get me wrong I would not be tracking with them, but overall a solid product. I wrote a review 8 months ago. I am truley surprised at the quality except for no brake line mounts had to make my own. Oh and I'm on staggered 20"s
any questions just shoot me pm. Jon perk.
any questions just shoot me pm. Jon perk.
10-13-2009, 02:54 PM
#30
Yes and I personally love them. Firm yet forgiving, now don't get me wrong I would not be tracking with them, but overall a solid product. I wrote a review 8 months ago. I am truley surprised at the quality except for no brake line mounts had to make my own. Oh and I'm on staggered 20"s
any questions just shoot me pm. Jon perk.
any questions just shoot me pm. Jon perk.
10-13-2009, 03:47 PM
#31
Just because you've done maintenance work on several cars doesn't make you an authoritative professional on all things suspension does it? Thanks for your input but I am looking for ppls opinions who have or have had 5th gens and who have had these coilover setups...so I can get true second hand opinions on which coilovers to buy....your opinions means nothing since you dont have a 5th gen and haven't ran these setups. We now know your opinion on this matter so you can GTFO...
kthxbye
kthxbye
Just saying...
10-14-2009, 07:41 PM
#32
Just because you've done maintenance work on several cars doesn't make you an authoritative professional on all things suspension does it? Thanks for your input but I am looking for ppls opinions who have or have had 5th gens and who have had these coilover setups...so I can get true second hand opinions on which coilovers to buy....your opinions means nothing since you dont have a 5th gen and haven't ran these setups. We now know your opinion on this matter so you can GTFO...
kthxbye
kthxbye
And why the hell would you want a SECOND hand opinion when people are giving you firsthand opinions with much more input telling you NOT to buy them? Is their opinion invalid because you don't like it, or are you just too much of a ****head to listen to them because you don't THINK their comments are valid?
So until you have something constructive to say, then YOU need to :matt93se:. Go ahead and insult me one more time and see what that does for you. There's your warning.
kthxbye.
10-14-2009, 08:13 PM
#33
dear nissantun3r- matt is highly respected around here and reguarded for building products for the maxima community.. so i would trust his opinion.he is a professional....and your playing with fire...and oddly enough around here people dont get burnt from fire.. they get vacations lol
if it were me.. i would put on second hand teins over first hand megans and nex or bc. . .but your anti tein.. so g/l.. and yes maybe you can find ''deal's'' and not always get what you pay for.. but in terms of coilovers for THIS car.. yes.. you get what you pay for...
if it were me.. i would put on second hand teins over first hand megans and nex or bc. . .but your anti tein.. so g/l.. and yes maybe you can find ''deal's'' and not always get what you pay for.. but in terms of coilovers for THIS car.. yes.. you get what you pay for...
Last edited by mist max2000; 10-14-2009 at 08:18 PM.
10-15-2009, 08:55 PM
#34
I'm glad someone gets it.
With suspension, you get what you pay for. You can find deals on Chinese knockoff intakes that work just as good as the $$$ ones. that stuff's easy to copy. you can't do that with suspension.
With suspension, you get what you pay for. You can find deals on Chinese knockoff intakes that work just as good as the $$$ ones. that stuff's easy to copy. you can't do that with suspension.
10-21-2009, 09:21 PM
#36
Just because you've done maintenance work on several cars doesn't make you an authoritative professional on all things suspension does it? Thanks for your input but I am looking for ppls opinions who have or have had 5th gens and who have had these coilover setups...so I can get true second hand opinions on which coilovers to buy....your opinions means nothing since you dont have a 5th gen and haven't ran these setups. We now know your opinion on this matter so you can GTFO...
kthxbye
kthxbye
If you think that bouncing around in your mad slammed ride is cool and dampers that leave their oil on the ground is normal, you will love D2s. Go for it.
10-21-2009, 09:32 PM
#37
The best way to find out is to not get any opinions at all because the crowd cant satisfy youi. there is really no reason to ask anybody anything if you want to pay under $1000 
as long as you dont go off roading or hit potholes for kicks then you should be fine. this thread will get you no where.
as long as you dont go off roading or hit potholes for kicks then you should be fine. this thread will get you no where.
10-31-2009, 05:30 PM
#38
No, you are looking for someone just like you to validate a choice you have already made. You are clueless. Matt has probably forgotten more about suspension than you will ever know about cars. You would do wise to take his advice on a matter like this.
If you think that bouncing around in your mad slammed ride is cool and dampers that leave their oil on the ground is normal, you will love D2s. Go for it.
If you think that bouncing around in your mad slammed ride is cool and dampers that leave their oil on the ground is normal, you will love D2s. Go for it.
I was looking for ppl who have had 5th gens and these setups so I could get opinions from ppl who have had these setups. Since that simple concept has eluded you it would seem you are the clueless one. It would be wise to stay on thread topic. This thread isn't about teins, konis, or mattwhoeverthefukheis. And no where did I say i was going to slam my ride so stop pulling these idiotic assumptions about me out of your ***, just because you might do that doesn't mean I will.
10-31-2009, 05:34 PM
#39
The best way to find out is to not get any opinions at all because the crowd cant satisfy youi. there is really no reason to ask anybody anything if you want to pay under $1000 as long as you dont go off roading or hit potholes for kicks then you should be fine. this thread will get you no where.
as long as you dont go off roading or hit potholes for kicks then you should be fine. this thread will get you no where.
10-31-2009, 05:38 PM
#40
Just because I don't own a 5th gen doesn't mean I don't have direct experience with them. I've installed and set up several brands of coilovers and strut/spring type setups on various cars, INCLUDING 5TH GENS , as well as maintained them after the fact. I custom made the coilovers on my 3 gen because nobody offered them. I design, build, and sell suspension mods for various cars. There's also half a dozen people in this thread telling you to listen to me. So ummm YEAH, I guess that does make me 'an authoritative professional'
And why the hell would you want a SECOND hand opinion when people are giving you firsthand opinions with much more input telling you NOT to buy them? Is their opinion invalid because you don't like it, or are you just too much of a ****head to listen to them because you don't THINK their comments are valid?
So until you have something constructive to say, then YOU need to :matt93se:. Go ahead and insult me one more time and see what that does for you. There's your warning.
kthxbye.
And why the hell would you want a SECOND hand opinion when people are giving you firsthand opinions with much more input telling you NOT to buy them? Is their opinion invalid because you don't like it, or are you just too much of a ****head to listen to them because you don't THINK their comments are valid?
So until you have something constructive to say, then YOU need to :matt93se:. Go ahead and insult me one more time and see what that does for you. There's your warning.
kthxbye.