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98I30t 04-08-2005 12:20 PM

Need massive cam/VTC info
 
Been playing around with a version of DynoSim S.C edition, and looking for some seriously detailed stock cam info. I have a copy of the 2003 Max dealer repair manual (3 volumes)..and it is falling a bit short on the cam info. Trying to convince myself whether to buy aftermarket cams..or stick with stock. And yes, I know, :: pulls string :: "Corky Bell says It's hard to find a turbo cam, that works better than the stock item."

Jeff92se 04-08-2005 12:24 PM

The only real way is to buy a set of cams and put a dial indicater to them yourself.

JeffesonM 04-08-2005 12:25 PM

read the sticky at the top of the forum that says "Links to threads with useful information"

Stephen Max 04-08-2005 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by 98I30t
Been playing around with a version of DynoSim S.C edition, and looking for some seriously detailed stock cam info. I have a copy of the 2003 Max dealer repair manual (3 volumes)..and it is falling a bit short on the cam info. Trying to convince myself whether to buy aftermarket cams..or stick with stock. And yes, I know, :: pulls string :: "Corky Bell says It's hard to find a turbo cam, that works better than the stock item."

Maybe I can figure out a way to map cam lift vs angle with my spare VQ35 cams. Any ideas on how to do that easily, anybody? I've got a dial indicator. Maybe it's just a matter of putting a protractor on the cam and measuring lift vs rotation angle.

Jeff92se 04-08-2005 12:38 PM

I guess put the cam into a spare head and oil it up. Then secure the indicator to something solid and rotate the cam.

Stephen Max 04-08-2005 12:42 PM

Andrew, what information do you need specifically?

98I30t 04-08-2005 12:46 PM

I've read all the stickies..they don't help too much. The programs cam manager wants these details before it can calculate anything, in all relativity, even I can get this info, I would need the info from tomei, JWT cams..etc, which would be even harder to get probably.
Details: Seat to Seat Duration
Intake and Exhaust Centerline and Max lift
Cam lobe-center angle
Valve Overlap
Ramp rate
Maximum lift at valve

I believe I'm gonna have to get the program to "estimate" these things, and try to get as close as possible to a stock VQ35 dyno curve.

IceY2K1 04-08-2005 12:52 PM

Something like this maybe?

https://www.dougrippie.com/images/_17.jpg
http://www.dougrippie.com/drm/engine_components.htm


Originally Posted by Stephen Max
Maybe I can figure out a way to map cam lift vs angle with my spare VQ35 cams. Any ideas on how to do that easily, anybody? I've got a dial indicator. Maybe it's just a matter of putting a protractor on the cam and measuring lift vs rotation angle.


IceY2K1 04-08-2005 12:56 PM

Cam Doctor is the program we need.....

98I30t 04-08-2005 01:01 PM

I was gonna get that also..but decided not to. Figured I'd see what the dynosim had built into it. Hmm, now I need to rob a bank and get one of those machines..with the vintage 1980s monitor also :bowdown: Might order the cam doctor later today, see what I can do with it towards the endless discussion of to aftercam, or not to aftercam :.orgy:

IceY2K1 04-08-2005 01:06 PM

I'm not sure what hardware is required, but I think the Cam Doctor software is located here:
http://www.powermechanics.com/download.html

I downloaded one of them and it runs...not sure how/what to do with it though.:gapteeth:

98I30t 04-08-2005 01:28 PM

Hah, "clean dos running program". I saw a company selling versions of the Camdoctor software, that had year ranges in it..for instance, All engines/stock cams from years 1994-2004. It was a bit expensive..but if it actually helps some of us..I'd get it. I'll have to find it again.

SR20DEN 04-10-2005 07:20 PM

If it can't calc from peak lift, duration and timing you're pretty much screwed. No cam manufacturer ever gives out ramping numbers.


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