Got a rather unusual question here.

First off, according to the courtesy parts website, the L31 3.5 altima 5 speed is the same part number as the A33 maxima transmission. (which also means that it physically the same as the 4th gens)

http://www.courtesyparts.com/32010m-...-p-173302.html

http://www.courtesyparts.com/32010m-...t-p-49946.html

If the above is accurate, we can move on to the next observation.

We also know that 02+ VQ35 cars us the dual mass flywheel. The part numbers they list for the 5MT altima and the 6MT maxima dual mass flywheel is also the same.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/12310-f...ml?cPath=4032&

http://www.courtesyparts.com/12310-f...t-p-53226.html

Now given that this is also accurate, theoredicaly, would this mean that an 02-03 maxima can be swapped to a 5MT as long as the dual mass flywheel is used? (just a more readily available option for those 5.5 genners that want a MT and dont mind missing out on the cruising 6th gear)

Now one more time, given that the above is correct. Does this mean that for the (handful) of people that want to do the full ECU 3.5 swap into a 4th gen (or 5th). Can they just keep their 5 speed and just bolt up the dual mass flywheel so the crank position can be read properly? This is oposed to doing this...

http://forums.maxima.org/3602982-post74.html

This is just an idea for others to brainstorm on if it makes sense. If i'm missing something, or it doesnt make sense or whatever, just lock it up. But if it technically does work this way, thats just one less part that has to be fabricated to make this swap work.

 

Those aren't nissan part numbers on courtesy's website. The first part "32010" is only the first part of the ACTUAL nissan part number. That "32010" basically tells you what part of the car it is that you're looking at - 32010 means it's transmission. I forget what DaveB told me the official name of that portion of the part number is, but it's simply a locator reference for the parts guys to know that they're looking in the right area basically. The full nissan part number for the altima V6 5spd trans is 32010-8J204


The V6 altima trans is not the same as the 3.0L maxima trans. It's the 3.5L maxima trans 6 speed trans with just one less gear on the shafts. So you could swap the altima V6 5spd back and forth with the 3.5 Maxima 6spd trans, but the 4th gen trans is not the same (obviously they both bolt on and can be made to work, but it's not the same trans. totally different design inside, and the 4th gen trans is quite a bit weaker). I don't believe the splines on the input shaft are the same so I don't think you can use a dual mass flywheel on the 4th gen trans - but I'm not 100% on that. I can check this at some point if no one has ever 100% confirmed this, but I thought someone had confirmed that at one point? I have a 6spd trans laying around and I can try to stick a 4th gen clutch disk on it. Actually I have some pictures comparing the two. I'll see if I can tell from the pics whether or not the input shaft has the same splines.

The V6 altima flywheel part number is 12310-8J100. That part number cross references to both the 3.5L 6spd maximas for both 2002-2003, and 2004+ varieties. So they are the same flywheel it appears.

I don't know the full procedure for a full 3.5 so I can't comment on that.

 

Just looked at my pictures and I don't have a good enough one of the splines on the input shafts to determine if they are the same or not (which would dictate whether or not you can use a 3.5 clutch which would dictate whether or not you can use a 3.5 flywheel on a 95-2001 trans). I'll check it out next time I am near those parts if I can remember to.

 

Thanks Neal. I actually remembered after I posted the thread that what was listed on courtesy parts is actually only the first half of the part number while I wad pulling down a tranny earlier today. Silly me on that part.

And I also had a 6 speed with a clutch and flywheel sitting in the garage with a bunch of 5 speeds also. But never was curious enough to see if anything looked interchangeable or not. Oh well. It was just an idea.

Either way. I've never seen an Altima v6 5MT up close before so its good to know that its just a 6 speed with 1 less gear.

 

Sorry I have to revive this thread but did you guys ever find out if they were interchangeable.. Shane you already know im went 5speed but put in on but what english did was weld the trigger wheel from my flexplate to the manual flywheel.. Let me know If I can use the dual mass flywheel with the 5speed tranny..

 

What are you trying to do?

How are you 5mt w/ a 2002? If I understand your post correctly, you have an older gen 5mt which is rod driven and uses a single mass flywheel with a 3.5 timing ring on it?

And you want to use a dual mass flywheel with your current older gen rod driven 5mt?

Then... No this is not possible with some modifications.

And no a newer 5mt will not just plop right into your car without some modification.

Like they said above, the Altima 5mt is just a 6mt with a missing gear.

Why do you want a DMF in the first place? They're heavy..... If you want a heavy flywheel look into 350z billet flywheels.

 

Never got around to trying it, but I dont think it will work.

Did you get the car started with the welded trigger wheel?

By the way, I havent been on facebook it months. So If you tried to hit me up on there thats why I havent replied.

 

He's using the 95-01 5 speed on his 02. They are alot easier to find. Any modifications required to make it work wont be an issue. He's got one of the best fabricators around to do the custom stuff.

 

yeah we finished it the car started up and everything I have to hook up the speed sensor cause I tried to drive it without it and the car was real jumpy.. I didnt want to post it cause I know how people get with the ITS NOT POSSIBLE POST but it at least went down the street.. the dual mass question was a just in case question we did welding the timing ring to the 3.0 flywheel and again it did start without any problems..

 

I hand cut my 3.0 timing on a 3.5 timing ring, i drove it to work, school and back but it drove like ***, misfired, could barely get it above 2k, then I used a paper clip to move the CPS over and I got better response, but it was not acting right still, random misfires and hesitations were just preventing the car to behave (still beat a civic SI though )

So you want the DMF because of the 3.5 timing ring correct?

The only way to use a DMF is to get a matching transmission with it.

I have a better idea..... Do what I did but backwards

Get a LW Fidanza FW (Easier to fab and make up bolt on timing ring), have your fab guy make up a trigger ring to bolt to it.

Count the marks on the ring, then divide by 360 and I think you cosign it (It's the summer, my calc is ruuuusty)? Your fab guy should know how to do it, once he comes up with the formula should be easy for the CNC to make the ring since you have the mathematical formula already.

Personal Thoughts:
Why do a 5mt? They aren't as common as 6spds, all of nissan FWD 6spds are pretty much the same, sans bellhousing, once my current $200 107k+ mile 6spd gives out (I'm abusing it too much, I know it's a matter of time) I will be putting in a cube 6mt that has 8k miles on it for $800 , I work at a parts place and the prices for 5mts are NOT pretty and they are getting rare, unless you have some secret connection to get them for the low low and often.

Also clutches are more expensive too to get the same holding power... There were many little reasons why I ditched my 5mt, even though sometime towards the end of this year I should have in my possession the most badass 5mt known to maxima kind.... and I have my test car too!

/to help with searches/
Timing ring = trigger ring.

 

Looking at the Versa/Cube 6MT (RS6F94R), it looks quite a bit different than the RS6F51. Neutral and reverse position switches are integrated into one, and on the bottom of the trans like the 5MT. Reverse is up and left instead of down and right, the trans mount area doesn't look compatible, etc.

Granted, this is just from the FSM as I've yet to tear one down, but I would call them similar at best.

 

Theres a one or two here, I'll poke around, I've just glanced at them externally, I figured at most I'd need a new shifter.

What I meant to say was, I can swap over the internals to a Maxima Bellhousing still like I did w/ the Sentra.

I'll update towards the end of the week when things slow down, got a few cars in that we're hackin up.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. But 00-03 measures speed through the ABS sensor. your speedo should work fine. When we did mine, we left the sensor unplugged. And as far as I know there isn't a plug for it on our harness. My speedo worked fine until recently. Now it works when it wants too and I have the ABS light on too.

 

Yea my abs light is already on.. and the Revolution sensor is also the VSS on mine.. But year I used the timing ring from the 3.5 and weld to the 3.0 but I have to take it back out and do some machining to line it up better...

 

I went with a 5mt cause it was available to me.. Especially down here where I do know people that can work magic when it comes to modding a car.. If I had the money or when I get my second car I would have No problem putting and LS1 in a maxima when the people i know.. We do crazy swaps down here in S. Florida and most of them are NOT on forums.. Nizmo101 or essential1 can tell you that...