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Max_Gator 04-16-2013 04:44 PM

Rebuilt 00 5spd vs. used 01 vlsd
 
My transmission failed at around 210k. 00 open diff.

The rebuild shop appears to be decent. Nissan shop that has done many transmissions in Tampa. 1000-1200.

The other best option is a vlsd from an 01 w/ 110k miles. Will net me about 800 plus new drivers axle.

I've read the issues with both. bad rebuild v. abused older trans.

Any thoughts on what I should choose? I think I'm leaning toward the rebuild since the vlsd is likely dead anyway. But it is cheaper than any other open diff trans I've seen.

thanks.

nsnrider 04-16-2013 04:50 PM

1200 for rebuild including labor and warranty? that sounds like a good deal. As long as the shop is reputable and stands behind their work, I would rebuild it. Make sure all wear items get replaced, not just the broken ones.

whats the warranty on the vlsd?

Max_Gator 04-16-2013 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by nsnrider (Post 8772856)
1200 for rebuild including labor and warranty? that sounds like a good deal. As long as the shop is reputable and stands behind their work, I would rebuild it. Make sure all wear items get replaced, not just the broken ones.

whats the warranty on the vlsd?

What would be all the wear items? Is that what would be included in a kit such as bearings and synchros or would there be other things.

I would like to be able to ask the correct questions ... lol.

Thanks.

vipervadim 04-19-2013 12:32 PM

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I would still go for the VLSD.

rebuilt a VLSD I got with bad input shaft bearings ~150K and still pulled great with the 3.5L swap (inspected it first, no problems with gears or synchros, but replaced guides on 2nd and 3rd synchro.)

Attachment 33209

Attachment 33210

otherwise your only other "LSD" option for the open diff 2K tranny is a PHANTOM GRIP
Attachment 33211

^^it works, not as great as VLSD or HLSD but better than a ****ty open diff for sure. and it spins both tires during burnout, so all good there :)

What to ask the place to do?
Input shaft, main shaft, and differential bearings, shim bearings properly is a MUST
Input shaft seal, yoke/shifter seal, axle seals.
would be nice to replace 2nd and 3rd and 4th gear synchros but involves MORE work and careful work with a press and shim gauge that some shops just DO NOT or are not capable of doing

a33nismo 05-01-2013 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by vipervadim (Post 8774825)
I would still go for the VLSD.

rebuilt a VLSD I got with bad input shaft bearings ~150K and still pulled great with the 3.5L swap (inspected it first, no problems with gears or synchros, but replaced guides on 2nd and 3rd synchro.)

https://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d...sdbushings.jpg

https://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d...sdfinished.jpg

otherwise your only other "LSD" option for the open diff 2K tranny is a PHANTOM GRIP
https://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d...pinstalled.jpg

^^it works, not as great as VLSD or HLSD but better than a ****ty open diff for sure. and it spins both tires during burnout, so all good there :)

What to ask the place to do?
Input shaft, main shaft, and differential bearings, shim bearings properly is a MUST
Input shaft seal, yoke/shifter seal, axle seals.
would be nice to replace 2nd and 3rd and 4th gear synchros but involves MORE work and careful work with a press and shim gauge that some shops just DO NOT or are not capable of doing

Love the VSLD.

Gemner 05-01-2013 08:48 AM

a VLSD with 110k that has never been rebuilt probably has the clutches completely worn out anyway and would be just like an open diff. Unless it was babied its whole life

grey99max 05-01-2013 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Gemner (Post 8781907)
a VLSD with 110k that has never been rebuilt probably has the clutches completely worn out anyway and would be just like an open diff. Unless it was babied its whole life

FYI - "VLSD" stands for Viscous Limited Slip Differential" - the VLSD unit is full of a very heavy liquid, and no clutches anywhere in sight. They don't really wear out, but can be broken inside. Did that twice....

Max streets 05-02-2013 08:06 AM

so going vlsd is better than a phantom grip and a quaifie,can u explain a litttle more please.
(vipervadim) going with alot power so tryna see all possablities.

grey99max 05-02-2013 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Max streets (Post 8782419)
so going vlsd is better than a phantom grip and a quaifie,can u explain a litttle more please.
(vipervadim) going with alot power so tryna see all possablities.

Better than? Dunno about that - but you can buy a VLSD transmission without taking transmissions apart. The VLSD has four rotating gears for the passenger axle and conventional diffs have only two, so stronger. The VLSD diff will NOT fit into a conventional-diff transmission - bearings are bigger. You can tell if VLSD - look through the axle holes when axles aren't there, and you can see straight through - a conventional diff has a cross-shaft blocking the view. The VLSD does require a different driver's axle - passenger's is the same for both.

If you can find a quaifie, that's probably best - if you can find one. Otherwise, a VLSD is good. I think they are about 40% locking when spinning your tires. I don't know anything about a Phantom Grip...

Max streets 05-03-2013 06:22 AM

ok good to now,i emailed quaifie two days ago no answer,im thinking of calling them but its not that easy thier in the uk, or i ask cattman first.

vipervadim 05-06-2013 12:02 PM

Quaife > VLSD > Phantom Grip > open diff

For 5spd ^^^^ (can only put Quaife into an open diff case, same as Phantom grip)

In all honesty if you're looking to make BIG power, forget about the 5spd.

6spd HLSD with 3.82 gears.
The tranny is stronger, the gears themselves are beefier over 5spd, the gear ratio is much better. and 6th gear gas saver is fantastic.
HLSD is about as close to quaife as you can get without the crazy $$$.

all you need is 6spd flywheel with 3.0 crank ring. besides tranny mount everything else is bolt on/self explanatory.


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