Anyone Here has a Premier DEX-P1R?
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Anyone Here has a Premier DEX-P1R?
What has your experience been like with this deck? What are your PROS and CONS? I have one sitting in my closet and I wanted opinions on its sound quality and reliability before I installed it.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash10.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic..._kit/dash2.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash11.jpg
That was in my GXE.. ugly tan interior.. I had to buy the dash kit so the silver trim wouldn't look out of place in the car.. only pic I have of it in my SE is half installed.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...ead_unit_4.jpg
Anyway, the unit is AWESOME! the only cons I have of the whole thing is that the functions are pretty complicated, and that the grounding in it could be better. I get a bit of turn-on/off thump whenever the muting circuit kicks in and out.. like when you switch radio stations, it mutes the outputs from when you press the channel button until the station is set and signals are ready to go out the speakers.. I get tiny thumps in both places.
same when changing tracks on a CD. the only time it's ever noticeable though is when I'm sitting still and the engine if off. otherwise, it's never audible.
the functions are great, but I would like a little more versatility in the EQ. it's got an Auto EQ, then a quasi-parametric on top of that, then you've got a 13 band "regular" EQ to play with.
I would MUCH rather just have one auto EQ and a 30-band regular EQ to work with. some "rock, jazz, pop, vocal" presets would be nice too, but not needed if you can set your own presets like you can now with the quasi-parametric. basically I want a 30-band instead of a 13-band for ultimate tuning (plus, 30-band is the standard for competition quality head units)..
The way this one is designed, it's a PIA to use an external EQ, as the head has all the crossovers and everything built into it.. you have to run an accessory output, then loop it back through into the head unit if you want to use an external EQ and it requires you to cut open the CD changer/aux signal harness to do it. not fun.
the menus are a bit tricky, as they're very complicated.. I have to keep the owner's manual in the glove box if I want to change any settings that I don't use all the time. otherwise, it takes me 10 minutes to find it in all the menus and sub-menus.
as for sound quality, install ease, product quality, and overall useability, I have YET to find another head unit that comes close to approaching it. Pioneer did a great job on it, and it would be even better if they'd only fix a few small blips that could be fixed with programming changes.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic..._kit/dash2.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash11.jpg
That was in my GXE.. ugly tan interior.. I had to buy the dash kit so the silver trim wouldn't look out of place in the car.. only pic I have of it in my SE is half installed.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...ead_unit_4.jpg
Anyway, the unit is AWESOME! the only cons I have of the whole thing is that the functions are pretty complicated, and that the grounding in it could be better. I get a bit of turn-on/off thump whenever the muting circuit kicks in and out.. like when you switch radio stations, it mutes the outputs from when you press the channel button until the station is set and signals are ready to go out the speakers.. I get tiny thumps in both places.
same when changing tracks on a CD. the only time it's ever noticeable though is when I'm sitting still and the engine if off. otherwise, it's never audible.
the functions are great, but I would like a little more versatility in the EQ. it's got an Auto EQ, then a quasi-parametric on top of that, then you've got a 13 band "regular" EQ to play with.
I would MUCH rather just have one auto EQ and a 30-band regular EQ to work with. some "rock, jazz, pop, vocal" presets would be nice too, but not needed if you can set your own presets like you can now with the quasi-parametric. basically I want a 30-band instead of a 13-band for ultimate tuning (plus, 30-band is the standard for competition quality head units)..
The way this one is designed, it's a PIA to use an external EQ, as the head has all the crossovers and everything built into it.. you have to run an accessory output, then loop it back through into the head unit if you want to use an external EQ and it requires you to cut open the CD changer/aux signal harness to do it. not fun.
the menus are a bit tricky, as they're very complicated.. I have to keep the owner's manual in the glove box if I want to change any settings that I don't use all the time. otherwise, it takes me 10 minutes to find it in all the menus and sub-menus.
as for sound quality, install ease, product quality, and overall useability, I have YET to find another head unit that comes close to approaching it. Pioneer did a great job on it, and it would be even better if they'd only fix a few small blips that could be fixed with programming changes.
as for sound quality, install ease, product quality, and overall useability, I have YET to find another head unit that comes close to approaching it. Pioneer did a great job on it, and it would be even better if they'd only fix a few small blips that could be fixed with programming changes. [/B]
What about Eclipse??
--Don
Have one in my wife's car.. It's a very nice unit, but doesn't do everything that this one does. I'd still have to get an outboard crossover and EQ if I wanted to compete with that Eclipse...
Then again, I'm comparing a $350 eclipse deck to a $700 Pioneer deck. I dunno what Eclipse has on their high end stuff, but for SQ, they're both up there. ease of use goes to the Eclipse- except the damn buttons are so small! I can't read them while driving without bending over and taking my eyes off the road. dangerous.
the P1R is all menu driven and has on-screen displays for every button pushed. I still have to take my eyes off the road, but I can at least read what's on the screen without leaning closer to see what button I pushed.
For overall versatility and features, the P1R gets my vote. for a great SQ unit that's less $ and easy to use, I go for the Eclipse.
The eclipse also has a very nice amp built into it. it makes the stock speakers in the wife's alty shake the mirror. It'll bust out a 40hz tone every now and then.. not bad for otherwise stock stereo.
Then again, I'm comparing a $350 eclipse deck to a $700 Pioneer deck. I dunno what Eclipse has on their high end stuff, but for SQ, they're both up there. ease of use goes to the Eclipse- except the damn buttons are so small! I can't read them while driving without bending over and taking my eyes off the road. dangerous.
the P1R is all menu driven and has on-screen displays for every button pushed. I still have to take my eyes off the road, but I can at least read what's on the screen without leaning closer to see what button I pushed.
For overall versatility and features, the P1R gets my vote. for a great SQ unit that's less $ and easy to use, I go for the Eclipse.
The eclipse also has a very nice amp built into it. it makes the stock speakers in the wife's alty shake the mirror. It'll bust out a 40hz tone every now and then.. not bad for otherwise stock stereo.
Originally posted by Matt93SE
Have one in my wife's car.. It's a very nice unit, but doesn't do everything that this one does. I'd still have to get an outboard crossover and EQ if I wanted to compete with that Eclipse...
Then again, I'm comparing a $350 eclipse deck to a $700 Pioneer deck. I dunno what Eclipse has on their high end stuff, but for SQ, they're both up there. ease of use goes to the Eclipse- except the damn buttons are so small! I can't read them while driving without bending over and taking my eyes off the road. dangerous.
the P1R is all menu driven and has on-screen displays for every button pushed. I still have to take my eyes off the road, but I can at least read what's on the screen without leaning closer to see what button I pushed.
For overall versatility and features, the P1R gets my vote. for a great SQ unit that's less $ and easy to use, I go for the Eclipse.
The eclipse also has a very nice amp built into it. it makes the stock speakers in the wife's alty shake the mirror. It'll bust out a 40hz tone every now and then.. not bad for otherwise stock stereo.
Have one in my wife's car.. It's a very nice unit, but doesn't do everything that this one does. I'd still have to get an outboard crossover and EQ if I wanted to compete with that Eclipse...
Then again, I'm comparing a $350 eclipse deck to a $700 Pioneer deck. I dunno what Eclipse has on their high end stuff, but for SQ, they're both up there. ease of use goes to the Eclipse- except the damn buttons are so small! I can't read them while driving without bending over and taking my eyes off the road. dangerous.
the P1R is all menu driven and has on-screen displays for every button pushed. I still have to take my eyes off the road, but I can at least read what's on the screen without leaning closer to see what button I pushed.
For overall versatility and features, the P1R gets my vote. for a great SQ unit that's less $ and easy to use, I go for the Eclipse.
The eclipse also has a very nice amp built into it. it makes the stock speakers in the wife's alty shake the mirror. It'll bust out a 40hz tone every now and then.. not bad for otherwise stock stereo.
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How many speakers and amps were you running off of the head unit, also what mode did you have it in?
Originally posted by Matt93SE
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash10.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic..._kit/dash2.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash11.jpg
That was in my GXE.. ugly tan interior.. I had to buy the dash kit so the silver trim wouldn't look out of place in the car.. only pic I have of it in my SE is half installed.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...ead_unit_4.jpg
Anyway, the unit is AWESOME! the only cons I have of the whole thing is that the functions are pretty complicated, and that the grounding in it could be better. I get a bit of turn-on/off thump whenever the muting circuit kicks in and out.. like when you switch radio stations, it mutes the outputs from when you press the channel button until the station is set and signals are ready to go out the speakers.. I get tiny thumps in both places.
same when changing tracks on a CD. the only time it's ever noticeable though is when I'm sitting still and the engine if off. otherwise, it's never audible.
the functions are great, but I would like a little more versatility in the EQ. it's got an Auto EQ, then a quasi-parametric on top of that, then you've got a 13 band "regular" EQ to play with.
I would MUCH rather just have one auto EQ and a 30-band regular EQ to work with. some "rock, jazz, pop, vocal" presets would be nice too, but not needed if you can set your own presets like you can now with the quasi-parametric. basically I want a 30-band instead of a 13-band for ultimate tuning (plus, 30-band is the standard for competition quality head units)..
The way this one is designed, it's a PIA to use an external EQ, as the head has all the crossovers and everything built into it.. you have to run an accessory output, then loop it back through into the head unit if you want to use an external EQ and it requires you to cut open the CD changer/aux signal harness to do it. not fun.
the menus are a bit tricky, as they're very complicated.. I have to keep the owner's manual in the glove box if I want to change any settings that I don't use all the time. otherwise, it takes me 10 minutes to find it in all the menus and sub-menus.
as for sound quality, install ease, product quality, and overall useability, I have YET to find another head unit that comes close to approaching it. Pioneer did a great job on it, and it would be even better if they'd only fix a few small blips that could be fixed with programming changes.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash10.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic..._kit/dash2.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...kit/dash11.jpg
That was in my GXE.. ugly tan interior.. I had to buy the dash kit so the silver trim wouldn't look out of place in the car.. only pic I have of it in my SE is half installed.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...ead_unit_4.jpg
Anyway, the unit is AWESOME! the only cons I have of the whole thing is that the functions are pretty complicated, and that the grounding in it could be better. I get a bit of turn-on/off thump whenever the muting circuit kicks in and out.. like when you switch radio stations, it mutes the outputs from when you press the channel button until the station is set and signals are ready to go out the speakers.. I get tiny thumps in both places.
same when changing tracks on a CD. the only time it's ever noticeable though is when I'm sitting still and the engine if off. otherwise, it's never audible.
the functions are great, but I would like a little more versatility in the EQ. it's got an Auto EQ, then a quasi-parametric on top of that, then you've got a 13 band "regular" EQ to play with.
I would MUCH rather just have one auto EQ and a 30-band regular EQ to work with. some "rock, jazz, pop, vocal" presets would be nice too, but not needed if you can set your own presets like you can now with the quasi-parametric. basically I want a 30-band instead of a 13-band for ultimate tuning (plus, 30-band is the standard for competition quality head units)..
The way this one is designed, it's a PIA to use an external EQ, as the head has all the crossovers and everything built into it.. you have to run an accessory output, then loop it back through into the head unit if you want to use an external EQ and it requires you to cut open the CD changer/aux signal harness to do it. not fun.
the menus are a bit tricky, as they're very complicated.. I have to keep the owner's manual in the glove box if I want to change any settings that I don't use all the time. otherwise, it takes me 10 minutes to find it in all the menus and sub-menus.
as for sound quality, install ease, product quality, and overall useability, I have YET to find another head unit that comes close to approaching it. Pioneer did a great job on it, and it would be even better if they'd only fix a few small blips that could be fixed with programming changes.
I'm running it in Pro mode.. subs, mids, tweeters, all on separate amplifiers.
the subs are getting 600W each, mids are getting 200W each, and tweeters see 50W each. no passive crossovers involved, except a small tweeter protection circuit in case I push the wrong button on the deck at high volumes.
the subs are getting 600W each, mids are getting 200W each, and tweeters see 50W each. no passive crossovers involved, except a small tweeter protection circuit in case I push the wrong button on the deck at high volumes.
Matt, can you tell me more about the tweeter protection circuit? I'm running my P1R to my A/D/S tweeters 2400hz @ 18db slope bypassing the A/D/S passive x-over and I think I just blew the right tweeter 
How can I prevent this in the future? I'm running 100-125 watts per tweeter and play it VERY loud all the time.
Anton
How can I prevent this in the future? I'm running 100-125 watts per tweeter and play it VERY loud all the time.
Anton
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