Direct Bolt on HO Alternators....
11-03-2004, 07:02 AM
#1
Direct Bolt on HO Alternators....
hey, so i've been in the market, looking at HO alternators for my car, a 5.5 gen. i have heard of ohio generator for a long time, so i gave them a call. after talking to them for a bit, they said that their alternators for the maxima are direct bolt on's, which made me pretty happy. not sure how many people knew this or if this was old news. i personally am not a fan of alternators that require modifications or brackets to be installed. something about that just makes me uneasy.
anyway, the only difference is a smaller alt. pulley, thus allowing it to generate more current at lower rpm's. as far as specs, not including a custom design, they currently have a 170a model. 170a continuous with 190a peak. AFAIK, my alternator is 105a peak, with roughly 35a at idle. not sure about that, but point being the ohio generator provides much more current at a much better rate.
anywho, so after talking to them, they told me how they are not a direct seller but only sell to dealers. a quick ring to don (Pearl96Max) and within a few minutes, don became a dealer with them.
so now, i'm bringing on the guns. i'm looking at definitely purchasing one. how soon, i have no idea. but i figure if we got some interested parties, don can possibly work a better dealer price than if he were to buy just one for me.
i'm sure many of you have heard and have seen ohio generators in many audio competitions, so their background and reputation back them up. how many of you guys would be interested in purchasing a HO alternator from them. it's not core swappable. you get a complete unit, which IMO is better because i'd like to keep my stock, JUST IN CASE. if don reads this, i'd like him to chime in with his single person price, just so that everyone can get a rough figure of how much savings we can get if he were to purchase, for example, 10 at once.
let the conversation begin.
anyway, the only difference is a smaller alt. pulley, thus allowing it to generate more current at lower rpm's. as far as specs, not including a custom design, they currently have a 170a model. 170a continuous with 190a peak. AFAIK, my alternator is 105a peak, with roughly 35a at idle. not sure about that, but point being the ohio generator provides much more current at a much better rate.
anywho, so after talking to them, they told me how they are not a direct seller but only sell to dealers. a quick ring to don (Pearl96Max) and within a few minutes, don became a dealer with them.
so now, i'm bringing on the guns. i'm looking at definitely purchasing one. how soon, i have no idea. but i figure if we got some interested parties, don can possibly work a better dealer price than if he were to buy just one for me.
i'm sure many of you have heard and have seen ohio generators in many audio competitions, so their background and reputation back them up. how many of you guys would be interested in purchasing a HO alternator from them. it's not core swappable. you get a complete unit, which IMO is better because i'd like to keep my stock, JUST IN CASE. if don reads this, i'd like him to chime in with his single person price, just so that everyone can get a rough figure of how much savings we can get if he were to purchase, for example, 10 at once.
let the conversation begin.
11-03-2004, 01:06 PM
#6
Originally Posted by yogi
A HO alt is on my to do list so count me in.... 
oh yeah, everyone must understand this does not come cheap. these things are pretty pricey, but i was already aware of that.
ok, just hung up with don, as he was waiting for pricing from ohio. his price for a single seller is $600.
if you call him up and say you want one, that's your price. i am hoping to get some people together to lower that by a good amount. but at least you guys know what numbers we are talking about here.
11-03-2004, 01:14 PM
#7
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Originally Posted by PoLo
ok, just hung up with don, as he was waiting for pricing from ohio. his price for a single seller is $600.
but i can't say that i wasn't ready for it....i still want it (i need it)
getting a group buy would be nice on HO alt......
11-03-2004, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by yogi
$600 that's a kick in the
but i can't say that i wasn't ready for it....i still want it (i need it)
getting a group buy would be nice on HO alt......
but i can't say that i wasn't ready for it....i still want it (i need it)
getting a group buy would be nice on HO alt......
180 $389.00
200 $429.00
220 $459.00
But this is to have the alternator rewound..
11-03-2004, 02:30 PM
#9
well yes, that's true. most rebuilds should be noticably less for a number of reasons. no core swapping as this would be your very own alternator. before i would do that, i would consider a few things.
1) do i want to have my original just in case. if you were to purchase an extra OEM alternator then do this upgrade, the prices may be somewhat close.
2) when alt.'s are rewound, usually that is all that is done. it's usually required that 2 things also occur.
a)more diodes be added to handle the greater current
b)stronger dioded that can handle the overall current. it is my understanding that MOST rewinds add more diodes, not essentially better ones, and then the alt's tend overheat much quicker. doesn't mean your product will do this, but it gives us questions to ask.
3)most HO alt's allow for substantiall current at low idle because of the smaller alt. pulley. with a core rewind, although there would be an overall increase, an even greater increase could be achieved with the smaller alt. pulley. putting that into consideration, can oem alt's have their pulley's swapped for smaller ones. and if that's the case, going through all this trouble, would it not end up the same/cost the same to just buy one that offers all these benefits (better/strong/more diodes, smaller pulley, etc..)
4)it is my understanding that an alt with that much current would rob us of HP. the 180 would sound ideal, but i think the 200+ would disappoint some of us who would feel a lag, on top of a rough idle. the 180 would be just enough, but then again, the same size pulley is brought back to attention on the 180 model.
Kinda sounds like i'm sellin ohio gen. but i'm not. just wanted to raise these questions. if those who have more knowledge about alt's can chime in, by all means share your input. this is what i've been told and through my limited knowledge of having rebuilds done. they're usually a bandaid and not always a complete product.
1) do i want to have my original just in case. if you were to purchase an extra OEM alternator then do this upgrade, the prices may be somewhat close.
2) when alt.'s are rewound, usually that is all that is done. it's usually required that 2 things also occur.
a)more diodes be added to handle the greater current
b)stronger dioded that can handle the overall current. it is my understanding that MOST rewinds add more diodes, not essentially better ones, and then the alt's tend overheat much quicker. doesn't mean your product will do this, but it gives us questions to ask.
3)most HO alt's allow for substantiall current at low idle because of the smaller alt. pulley. with a core rewind, although there would be an overall increase, an even greater increase could be achieved with the smaller alt. pulley. putting that into consideration, can oem alt's have their pulley's swapped for smaller ones. and if that's the case, going through all this trouble, would it not end up the same/cost the same to just buy one that offers all these benefits (better/strong/more diodes, smaller pulley, etc..)
4)it is my understanding that an alt with that much current would rob us of HP. the 180 would sound ideal, but i think the 200+ would disappoint some of us who would feel a lag, on top of a rough idle. the 180 would be just enough, but then again, the same size pulley is brought back to attention on the 180 model.
Kinda sounds like i'm sellin ohio gen. but i'm not. just wanted to raise these questions. if those who have more knowledge about alt's can chime in, by all means share your input. this is what i've been told and through my limited knowledge of having rebuilds done. they're usually a bandaid and not always a complete product.
11-03-2004, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PoLo
if those who have more knowledge about alt's can chime in, by all means share your input
11-03-2004, 09:04 PM
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screw that...i`m not going to rebuilt the alt....i need the oem one just in case so i can swap it out and still use the car....plus i really hear some good things about ohio alt...so i`m going to get that one........maybe more people will get that so we can save some $$$.....
11-03-2004, 10:40 PM
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Hey guys a GD would definately be possible. Figure on the price dropping at Least $60. Marco is on the right track here as far as getting new over rebuilt. I do have a local place, been around longer than me (Im going on 31). That is more than capable of a rewind. Those that dont want a new one from OG may go that route. If interested I can also check pricing on that....
--Don
BTW..OGs "sell for" price for these alts is $799 plus freight.
--Don
BTW..OGs "sell for" price for these alts is $799 plus freight.
11-05-2004, 08:13 AM
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