Well i've had a really hard time deciding between subwoofers, but i've narrowed it down to these two. Now my understanding is that the tempest is just a bigger shiva right?? Would it fit in my max?? i know 12's is a close fit

 

adire has none of them in stock...the shiva and tempest are changing. check out SI.net to see.

 

well that sucks they're out of stock, i can't get that website to work

 

it's soundillusions.net

I'll apologize on rick's behalf, (it boosts his ego to use acronyms)

 

yes a 15 should fit

 

If you don't want to wait and want something close to a "classic" Shiva or Tempest, look at the Dayton DVC 12" and 15" from Parts Express. Both are very similar in both performance and quality (both the Adire "classic" subs and this Dayton line are built by the build house Eminence). The new Shiva and Tempest are now lines of different size subs. They are all going to be built by Dan Wiggins new build house in Chili.

-Robert

 

its an audio forum and dan wiggins, the ceo of adire, mentions the new drivers and what he will do with them.

 

you could check out www.ascendantaudio.com or www.soundsplinter.com both have soem very nice drivers in your price range

 

does sound splinter use the xbl2 technology??

which would be better, the atlas or avalanche?

 

LMAO someone on here talking crap to rich besides me, YES!

lol jfwy rich

 

No. But XBL^2 is not the only way to get a low distortion driver. The low-end Soundsplinter drivers are based on the the TC2+ motor from TC Sounds. It has been tested and is currently the low distortion champion in subs - link. XBL^2 is a patented technology from Adire Audio. Currently the only licensee (that we know of) is Destijl Engineering, the build house for the Ascendant Audio drivers.

That's a very open ended question. The Atlas 15" needs much more room than the Avalanch 15". The Avalanch can take much more power so you better have a large amp or you are just wasting its capabilities. Model them both in WinISD or Unibox and see which one fits your situation.

-Robert

 

what is the peak of the avalanche?? i didn't see it, it does have an rms of 800, i want to put about 1000 watts on whatever system i get, anything more than that and my car will fall apart, lol. I feel stupid right now, what is WinISD and unibox?

 

you DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT need 1k of power to get loud. ported box plus efficient sub= loud with alot less power. at age 17 a big 15" sub with arond 500-700 will be ungoly loud for you trust me.

 

Subwoofer modeling programs.
WinISD
Unibox

To elaborate on SlickRick's post, the RMS and peak power ratings are thermal ratings. That's how much power it will take before the voice coil melts. If you model subs in one of the programs above, you will find the that the physical power handling is very dependent on the enclosure. In a small, sealed box, the sub might never reach it's full potential but in a large ported box, it will only take 250 watts to reach maximum excursion.

-Robert

 

thats awesome, thanks for all the advice, i'll look at those programs here in a little bit once i get back from eating, i was planning on the 1000 watt amp and turn it down to make sure i don't over heat the amp like the problem i'm having right now with the current setup

 

any good sub in the right enclosure will perform very well. some of my friends thought i had huge amount of power til i told them i'm running less then 500 to my sub.

 

there are some confusing/confused posts on here. so if i misinterpet hold the flames and correct me...im tired...and uhhh...never mind...
I hope no one was saying there is only one licensee to use XBL^2.... both RE and Ascendant use XBL^2.
250w will not make an atlas reach full excursion in a ported enclosures....end of discussion.
slikrick...you think a 15 in ported enclosure is loud with 700w....what about an XXX18 with 1800w in a ported enclsoure? can you say 150dB daily? whats that...i cant hear you
why would he want a classic tempest for $150 when an atlas 15 is $160 and is a far superior driver?
look at the RE SE15 as well.

 

robert j forgot about the XXX line. trust me he knows his stuff.

 

Thanks for the compliment but I didn't forget anything. Destijl is the build house for both Ascendant Audio and RE. Destijl and RE are also the same company. Taken from the RE web site:
Resonant Engineering HQ
6672 spencer street
suite 600 las vegas
nv 89119
tel : (702) 896 4823

Taken from the Las Vegas phone listings:
Destijl Engineering
6672 Spencer St
Las Vegas, NV 89119-3903 Phone: (702) 896-8981

Also, I said that is the only licensee that we know about. Dan Wiggins has said there there are others. They just have agreements with Adire not to release the information.

-Robert

 

so which of the these would be better, RE SE, atlas, or the tempest?? (all 15's of course)

 

Tempest classic model - Needs a large box to perform well and is out of stock and will not be produced again. The Dayton DVC 15" is almost the same driver but works better in smaller boxes.

New Tempest 15" - T/S parameters have not been release so we have no clue how it will perform. On the other hand, Dan Wiggins will wring every last bit of performance out of his design.

RE SE 15" - Quality driver. Probably a step above the classic Tempest and Dayton DVC. I haven't modeled it to see the performance or recommended box size.

Atlas 15" - Great reviews. Only one of the three to use XBL^2. Needs a large enclosure to reach it's full potential.

Which one is better? Like I answered above, it depends. Different subs work better in different situations. You have not stated how big the enclosure can be. Do you want to give up your entire trunk? You have not stated a goal. Do you want a full-on LOUD system (SPL)? Do you want the best quality (SQ)? Do you want a combination system (SQL)? Even if you aren't going to take the time to learn proper sub design, we can't even advise you unless you give us more information.

-Robert

 

how long has destij been around? because IIRC, werent RE drivers the same as some onyx drivers and had some buildhouse problems with them?

 

Destijl started out as FRC Soundworks. The archive has them back as far as 2001.

I've read up on the Onyx/RE/Destijl fiasco. Onyx was using Destijl as either the build house or the parts supplier. Onyx rejected some motors due to not meeting specifications. RE just glued a cover over the magnet and resold them as new. Not a smart move on their part. They should have ground off the Onyx label and sold them as b-stock. Onyx was definitely upset having their name on someone elses product. The car audio folk were the ones that really blew it out of proportion. Onyx never stated the exact reason why the motors were rejected. Maybe the pole piece was 1/4" too short. Well that pole piece is the exact length for this RE model. People had perfectly good subs but thought that they had reject pieces of crap. A few people cried 'fire' and the forums started buzzing.

-Robert

 

i do not mind how big the box needs to be, right now i don't put anything in my trunk just because i have subs in there, so size of box doesn't matter, and i want quality sound and volume at the same time