i've got a 5th gen.
rainbow SL comps in front

need suggestions for a 6.5 coax for rear fill...


any ideas? budget is like 70

 

Talk to Pearlmax, I picked up a pair of Rainbow SL 165 coaxes off him awhile back for a great price.

 

yea, i've been to don's place numerous times this week so his suggestion will be taken with high regard. just wanted to get some opinions of users

 

CDT makes some damn fine coaxes for the price...

 

affirmative - cdt cl-6x i think they're under 50 now. good enough for my friends in the back seat.

 

Boston Acoutics FX 6

 

I will have to suggest what I always do. None. As a seasoned competitor, I have always subscribed to the mindset of emulating a live performance in an audiophile installation.

 

I have Rainbow SL 6.5" in the rear.

 

plurco - interesting comment but unfortunately i will be getting something. i do however appreciate your input.

macalert - how do u like em? what are they powered with?

 

Not unfortunate man, do whatever makes you happy. The whole reason behind the “no rear fill” thing is, when at a live performance you do not hear the artist performing behind you. In a car if you have a properly installed front stage with a solid “center of the dash” image, it actually creates an ambient rear fill without have any drivers back there at all. However, this does take a fair amount of know-how and a lot of time tuning. It’s all in what you want. It’s kind of like tuning a Maximum. It is easy to throw in a NX wet kit and have a fast car, however those that have the time and knowledge opt to built a turbo kit and spend countless hours tuning it.

 

I have them powered by an Arc Audio XXK5150 from Don. I love them, not to expensive either.

 

under 50? wow my wires cost more than that! shiet i dont mind getting it for that price!

 

the usual talk talk talk from you... what happened to no more audio?

 

i was just curious ok...

 

If you must do rear fill- IMO at least match the drivers- so I suggest SL coaxes- same series, same cone material/properties as your components mids, and matching fabric tweets. Trust me last thing you need is to hear a noticeably different sound coming from behing you.

 

so can I assume that at least one person agrees with no "no rear fill" philosophy?

 

me too...but for $50 i said why not and did it. if it was going in the rear deck i would def. not do it.

 

Man the rear deck is better that the rear doors. IMO The only time rear fill is needed is then you are runnign a DSP.

 

I'm currently running no rear fill without intentions nor need to run them. I like my stage in front , center of my dash with my subs meeting them there- oh and lots of headroom...hehe

But I did run SL's in my rear doors at one point and they complimented my Rainbows up front fine. Just had them faded and gains down so that they served as 'fill'- never quite felt they were noticeable or felt sound coming from places other than my separates

It comes down to application- for example you cant expect the avg person, driving these sedans ,running high output ported enclosures or 1 kw+ sealed sub applications to be content with 50rms(for example) per channel to a frontstage in OEM locations w/out rear speakers. Many Maxima owners feel by having the extra output of rear fill adds more fullness and keep up with the subs better. There are also the rear passengers that cannot hear any vocals in these non-properly tuned cars due to back and brain massage the subs give there.

Not everyone is as passionate about building a traditional comp stage in their car and relocate drivers either. They just wanna jam out while driving their sedan, and they want it to be loud and sound powerful.

 

Well in a 5th gen-speaker locations in the rear doors to the avg driver position lies just about directly to the left and right of the ears, low of course- not quite the 'sound from behind you' effect that rear deck mounted speaks in the 4th gens give....also doesn't suffer from the reflections off the back window either...

 

Does not mean I will stop TRYING to educate the masses. I guess it all comes down to who you build the system for. Yourself of others. i build a system for ME, which sounds the best where I sit. I am so glad I have shed the highschool metality.

 

exactly. but honestly, if i told my roomate "SQ" "rear fill" he would laugh at me and say im so full of it. even if people have had numerous systems they still may know NOTHING about it. its so sad but ive given up on educating people about car audio except here.

 

thanks all for the very educated responses.

heres my thoughts:
1. right now i am VERY confident in my front stage. in addition im very confident in my 4 channel amp, that has enough capacity to power my fronts very well. also, it has plenty of additional capacity to power the rears (if i get them)
2. i do have passengers to worry about on occasion. if i were to get rears, they would go in the doors and they would definitely be faded way down to emulate the 'front stage', so that they are not mains, but truly just 'fill'. your points regarding that are surely taken.
3. it is true that i am creating a system for me, and no one else, which is why i chose a nice set of comps for clarity, and to rock out on my own at any volume level.
4. im not sure however if i have the capability to tune just a set of fronts well enough to compensate for the lack of rears, plus i prefer more of a surround sound type of atmosphere, to truly get lost in my music rather than a stagefront emulation.

a few questions -
plurco - have u ever heard rear fill in the rear doors of a 5th gen? what were your thoughts in comparison to the 4th gen rear deck?
manny - when we listened to your system on friday, did u have rears? i didnt take a notice.

gentleman, i'd like to thank you for your honest opinions. i am still on the fence whether to get rears or not, mainly because i am simply very curious to explore this notion that there is no need for rear fill, but manny rest assure if i get em, they'll match my fronts. i'm also glad that I could start a discussion about true audiophile knowledge and opinions vs. "hey guys check it out i have 3463409 12' subs in my trunk!" please continue to discuss if i've missed anything.

again, thank you
-nilesh

 

Nilesh-

There is no rear fill - just the ACS 2 ways with a ton of power going to them...did you like?

 

Not in a 5th gen. I have heard rear fill in doors of other cars, but they have been used for two different applications. 1st, as the rear channels of a DTS, of surround setup, and 2nd for the rear channels of a DSP setup like my Sony mobile ES.

 

he'll be doing his share of movie watching- he has an Eclipse AVN2454- i believe it has DSP/5.1....

 

well then I can justify that then.

 

shoot i should have checked the sound in the back seat...i just assumed that u had em, its a normal assumption

 

I've got a 6th Gen non bose with the mid bass 6x9's in the deck. I'm wondering if some good components in the front and good coaxials in the rear doors would be fine. I'm going to amp the doors and was thinking about my alpine HU powering the mid bass in the deck. Is this pretty good for SQ??

 

Let's Bump This

 

too short - do u have speakers in the doors now?

it sounds alright


to all that were curious:
i will NOT be using rear speakers. I'm gonna see if i can tune my front stage well enough to fill the car, plus it would be cool to say that my fronts are so good that i dont need rears hehe. it shall be implemented soon, i shall keep u updated. plurco, you'd be proud

 

bridge that 400.4 to'm