Best 10, 12 or 15 inch sub?!
10-05-2005, 06:00 PM
#1
Best 10, 12 or 15 inch sub?!
hey guys..i need your input ont he bext 10, 12 and 15 inch sub..im only looking to buy one that has dual voice coils and DOES NOT push less than 500 nominal power.
IM looking into these subs:
Rockford Fosgate HX2 (either the rfr 2110/12/15, or 3110/12/15) - this is my first pick
Diamond Audio (15 inch M6, ADDED: D915D4)
MA Audio (MA1200XL)
Kicker Comp VR (D4 CVR154) - i kinda dont want this one
MTX (8500)
Hifonics (XX-1612 ) - i also kinda dont want this one
ADDED: ECLIPSE (SW9102)
ADDED: Right now im looking at the SOundstream 15" Rl-P...its dual voice coil..with effeciency at 500 watts rms to 1200 watts rms...and its seems to be the most appealing on price as well as spl and performance
lemem know what you guys think about each of these subs..also any recommendation (i think its also good for you guys to know that im kinda leaning away from jl audio) and thx for all your help...hope to read some good feedback.
IM looking into these subs:
Rockford Fosgate HX2 (either the rfr 2110/12/15, or 3110/12/15) - this is my first pick
Diamond Audio (15 inch M6, ADDED: D915D4)
MA Audio (MA1200XL)
Kicker Comp VR (D4 CVR154) - i kinda dont want this one
MTX (8500)
Hifonics (XX-1612 ) - i also kinda dont want this one
ADDED: ECLIPSE (SW9102)
ADDED: Right now im looking at the SOundstream 15" Rl-P...its dual voice coil..with effeciency at 500 watts rms to 1200 watts rms...and its seems to be the most appealing on price as well as spl and performance
lemem know what you guys think about each of these subs..also any recommendation (i think its also good for you guys to know that im kinda leaning away from jl audio) and thx for all your help...hope to read some good feedback.
10-05-2005, 07:25 PM
#6
Originally Posted by 2 Da Max
get a diamond audio 12 inch, thats by far the best sq sub out of your list, unless you want the best of both worlds....
10-05-2005, 07:58 PM
#8
Originally Posted by filtor1
Diamond TDX any size.
Arc Flatline, any size.
It will cost you though. I went with 2 TDX 12's. I love them.
Arc Flatline, any size.
It will cost you though. I went with 2 TDX 12's. I love them.
thx for you help filtor1
anyone else got anything else to tell me about?
10-05-2005, 08:09 PM
#10
Originally Posted by AscendantMax
15" Sound Splinter RL-p. Got mine for $283 shipped.
pretty accurate sub, that can also get loud...
pretty accurate sub, that can also get loud...
need mroe input though..anyone else
10-05-2005, 08:14 PM
#11
yes, bought it off the website a few months ago. right now it's not connected to anything, but i had it running off a fosgate two channel getting about ~225 watts...and it got pretty close to the loudness of my brahma. then this past weekend, i had it metered with a friend's 300 watt amp, and i hit 137 dB (termlab mic, sealed box).
it's wired to 2 ohms, sub's dvc 4. i will be sending it roughly 800-900 watts once my amp comes in.
it's wired to 2 ohms, sub's dvc 4. i will be sending it roughly 800-900 watts once my amp comes in.
10-05-2005, 08:29 PM
#12
Originally Posted by AscendantMax
yes, bought it off the website a few months ago. right now it's not connected to anything, but i had it running off a fosgate two channel getting about ~225 watts...and it got pretty close to the loudness of my brahma. then this past weekend, i had it metered with a friend's 300 watt amp, and i hit 137 dB (termlab mic, sealed box).
it's wired to 2 ohms, sub's dvc 4. i will be sending it roughly 800-900 watts once my amp comes in.
it's wired to 2 ohms, sub's dvc 4. i will be sending it roughly 800-900 watts once my amp comes in.
10-05-2005, 08:31 PM
#13
10-05-2005, 10:33 PM
#18
ok MAN sweet is there a number i can call cause all i see is the message to send to technical people for questions and stuff...i need some kind of number?..where else can i lok besides contact us tab?
10-06-2005, 12:18 AM
#19
email him at mike@soundsplinter.com
he's pretty good with answering customer's email in fast and timely manner.
he's pretty good with answering customer's email in fast and timely manner.
10-06-2005, 06:39 AM
#20
Originally Posted by AscendantMax
email him at mike@soundsplinter.com
he's pretty good with answering customer's email in fast and timely manner.
he's pretty good with answering customer's email in fast and timely manner.
10-06-2005, 08:27 AM
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
i think by far one of the best subs out their for the price is this soundsplinter..
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
spl is freaking amazing,
-Robert
10-06-2005, 08:34 AM
#22
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
thats what im talking about...now im gonna add the D9 15inch to the list...by the way..do you have them both hooked up to 1 amp?...or 1 amp to each one...assuming that you are usuing both voice coils you are hooked up to two amps no?
thx for you help filtor1
anyone else got anything else to tell me about?
thx for you help filtor1
anyone else got anything else to tell me about?
They will take the D6100.1 each all day long. I have heard this setup in a.n SUV with the exception of he was using D9 12's and all I can say is I would never have any issue recommending any Diamond sib or amp combination. Oh and yes I am using both coils on each sub.
10-06-2005, 11:49 AM
#23
Originally Posted by filtor1
They are both wired to a Diamond Audio D61500.1. I was considering adding another 1500.1 to the mix but it benched at 1940watts at 14.4volts. So I think I might hurt them with that much current. They will take the D6100.1 each all day long. I have heard this setup in a.n SUV with the exception of he was using D9 12's and all I can say is I would never have any issue recommending any Diamond sib or amp combination. Oh and yes I am using both coils on each sub.
They will take the D6100.1 each all day long. I have heard this setup in a.n SUV with the exception of he was using D9 12's and all I can say is I would never have any issue recommending any Diamond sib or amp combination. Oh and yes I am using both coils on each sub.
10-06-2005, 11:55 AM
#25
Originally Posted by filtor1
Diamond TDX any size.
Arc Flatline, any size.
It will cost you though. I went with 2 TDX 12's. I love them.
Arc Flatline, any size.
It will cost you though. I went with 2 TDX 12's. I love them.
Retail-$499 ea.
10-06-2005, 12:07 PM
#27
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
dude but doesnt your impedence stoop down to 1ohm? or less with them both wired to one amp due to ohms spiliting for the dual voice coils on each?
There are multiple ways to wire dual voice coil subs, have you ever noticed that there are probably 10's to 100's of guys on this forum alone that run dual voice coil subs to ONE amp.
A dual 4 ohm sub can be wired to 2 ohm or to 8 ohms
A dual 2 ohm sub can be wired to 1 ohm or to 4 ohms
A dual 1 ohm sub can be wired to .5 ohm or to 2 ohms
ETC.
2 dual 4 ohm subs can be wired to 1 ohm, 4 ohms or 16 ohms
2 dual 2 ohm subs can be wired to .5 ohms, 2 ohms or 8 ohms
2 dual 1 ohm subs can be wired to .25 ohms, 1 ohms or 4 ohms
Most amps can handle resistance down to 2 ohms and some go even further from 1 ohm and some all the way down to .25 ohms.
10-06-2005, 01:27 PM
#28
Originally Posted by nismos14
Where were you planning on getting the HX2 from?
10-06-2005, 01:32 PM
#29
Originally Posted by nismos14
There are multiple ways to wire dual voice coil subs, have you ever noticed that there are probably 10's to 100's of guys on this forum alone that run dual voice coil subs to ONE amp.
A dual 4 ohm sub can be wired to 2 ohm or to 8 ohms
A dual 2 ohm sub can be wired to 1 ohm or to 4 ohms
A dual 1 ohm sub can be wired to .5 ohm or to 2 ohms
ETC.
2 dual 4 ohm subs can be wired to 1 ohm, 4 ohms or 16 ohms
2 dual 2 ohm subs can be wired to .5 ohms, 2 ohms or 8 ohms
2 dual 1 ohm subs can be wired to .25 ohms, 1 ohms or 4 ohms
Most amps can handle resistance down to 2 ohms and some go even further from 1 ohm and some all the way down to .25 ohms.
A dual 4 ohm sub can be wired to 2 ohm or to 8 ohms
A dual 2 ohm sub can be wired to 1 ohm or to 4 ohms
A dual 1 ohm sub can be wired to .5 ohm or to 2 ohms
ETC.
2 dual 4 ohm subs can be wired to 1 ohm, 4 ohms or 16 ohms
2 dual 2 ohm subs can be wired to .5 ohms, 2 ohms or 8 ohms
2 dual 1 ohm subs can be wired to .25 ohms, 1 ohms or 4 ohms
Most amps can handle resistance down to 2 ohms and some go even further from 1 ohm and some all the way down to .25 ohms.
then 2/2 = 1 then 1/.5 = .5 and so forth..maybe i was wrong..i dunno but im just asking this stuff for more information not to criticize.
10-06-2005, 01:38 PM
#30
Not true at all. It's all about the end impedence after you have wired them in series/parallel or combination thereof. It merely splits the wattage coming from that one amp. The amp has nothing to do with the impedence. It's about the impedence PRESENTED to the amp by the subs. Amps do have an operating range and most don't do 1ohm mono, so that's a consideration. 2 ohm stereo = 4 ohm mono. 1 ohm stereo = 2 ohm mono etc.
A single 15" doesn't necessarily mean less space. Depends on what the requirements for the sub are. To calculate space, you'd need to tell us the max size you'd like your box to be.
A single 15" doesn't necessarily mean less space. Depends on what the requirements for the sub are. To calculate space, you'd need to tell us the max size you'd like your box to be.
10-06-2005, 01:40 PM
#31
Originally Posted by nismos14
There are multiple ways to wire dual voice coil subs, have you ever noticed that there are probably 10's to 100's of guys on this forum alone that run dual voice coil subs to ONE amp.
A dual 4 ohm sub can be wired to 2 ohm or to 8 ohms
A dual 2 ohm sub can be wired to 1 ohm or to 4 ohms
A dual 1 ohm sub can be wired to .5 ohm or to 2 ohms
ETC.
2 dual 4 ohm subs can be wired to 1 ohm, 4 ohms or 16 ohms
2 dual 2 ohm subs can be wired to .5 ohms, 2 ohms or 8 ohms
2 dual 1 ohm subs can be wired to .25 ohms, 1 ohms or 4 ohms
Most amps can handle resistance down to 2 ohms and some go even further from 1 ohm and some all the way down to .25 ohms.
A dual 4 ohm sub can be wired to 2 ohm or to 8 ohms
A dual 2 ohm sub can be wired to 1 ohm or to 4 ohms
A dual 1 ohm sub can be wired to .5 ohm or to 2 ohms
ETC.
2 dual 4 ohm subs can be wired to 1 ohm, 4 ohms or 16 ohms
2 dual 2 ohm subs can be wired to .5 ohms, 2 ohms or 8 ohms
2 dual 1 ohm subs can be wired to .25 ohms, 1 ohms or 4 ohms
Most amps can handle resistance down to 2 ohms and some go even further from 1 ohm and some all the way down to .25 ohms.
10-06-2005, 01:54 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
dude but doesnt your impedence stoop down to 1ohm? or less with them both wired to one amp due to ohms spiliting for the dual voice coils on each?
10-06-2005, 02:21 PM
#33
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
personally i wouldnt risk going 2 dual voice coils unless i was running 1 different amp to each...thats the main reason why im trying to go 15" so its a space saver as opposed to two 12's and that i would have to worry about the ohms and could comfortably run 1 amp to that one sub...i always though that you couldnt wire 2 DVC subs to 1 amp unless it was 4 channel/2 channel...i thought that if you split a 4ohm mono amp 4 ways (from a mono -> 4 channel) than it would split the ohms into half every time you split...so i also naturally assumed that spliting 4/2 = 2
then 2/2 = 1 then 1/.5 = .5 and so forth..maybe i was wrong..i dunno but im just asking this stuff for more information not to criticize.
then 2/2 = 1 then 1/.5 = .5 and so forth..maybe i was wrong..i dunno but im just asking this stuff for more information not to criticize.
There's no risk involved, just math. It's easy to wire all of these combinations. Plus a 15 in the right sized box will probably take up as much space as a pair of 12's. The only thing that can be tough about wiring is if you forget the laws of resistance and the differences between series and parallel wiring. BTW you can't split a mono amp into channels its a single channel no matter what you do, but you can split that output into multiple drivers thus causing those drivers to act as one(when wired correctly).
10-06-2005, 02:24 PM
#34
Originally Posted by Big_Ham
And at one time, there was an amplifier that claimed INFINITE stability ... name that amp.
So what was it? An old Soundstream? Zapco? Us Ampst? I know Us Amps had some in the late 90's that were .25 stable etc.
IIRC MTX made one too that was the predecessor to the 225HO
10-06-2005, 02:48 PM
#35
Originally Posted by Big_Ham
And at one time, there was an amplifier that claimed INFINITE stability ... name that amp.
and everyone else i really appreciate the input..lemme know what else you guys think..also is there any place where i could see all this wired up? some kind of impedance diagram...i cant search google right now because i am running out of the house...but when i get bakc i will chgeck the forum first..then google if nothing is up here about wiring impedance...lol if anyone is doing nothing and whats to help feel free to provide a link
thx everyone.
10-06-2005, 03:01 PM
#36
http://elliottelectronics.com/Spkwiringset.htm
Someone has been giving you wrong information about wiring posibilities. It is not only perfectly acceptable to us 2 DVC subs with a single amp, it is easily done as well. The link I provided will help you see some of the possibilities with different voice coil configurations.
Oh, and I would take 2 12' over a single 15 anyday. Minimal added box size with more avialable surface area for air movement.
Someone has been giving you wrong information about wiring posibilities. It is not only perfectly acceptable to us 2 DVC subs with a single amp, it is easily done as well. The link I provided will help you see some of the possibilities with different voice coil configurations.
Oh, and I would take 2 12' over a single 15 anyday. Minimal added box size with more avialable surface area for air movement.
10-06-2005, 03:11 PM
#37
Originally Posted by Big_Ham
And at one time, there was an amplifier that claimed INFINITE stability ... name that amp.
Did you make this up?
10-06-2005, 04:06 PM
#38
Originally Posted by Chipotle18
thx with all your help..i already got an email back...he said everyday use is good at about 800 watts rms...so im going to get the amp next...i think by far one of the best subs out their for the price is this soundsplinter..spl is freaking amazing, and ratio'd to the nominal power, you just cant beat it.
10-06-2005, 06:09 PM
#39
Originally Posted by AscendantMax
no prob, i don't think you'll be disappointed.