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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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$500-600 4-chan amp budget: Arc, Diamond, PPI, Audison, DLS, Jensen?

Ok the last one was a joke, but just trying to get your attention. :0

Time to upgrade again, my Focal Polyglass comps never forgave me for feeding them with a cheap Rockford Fosgate Power amp :P

All choices in the title (minus jensen) seem like a good choice. I want nice, big, open, crystal-clear, dynamic sound with a wide soundstage.

Any advice or experience with those brands, or even a recommendation for another one? Thanks for any help.
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Buy my arc 4150xxk $550
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Will you get mad if I tell you to look at item #9708224128 on egay
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Would you get mad if you had no warranty?
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Regardless thats the amp that gets my vote.
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Would you get mad if you had no warranty?
u win

Can I ask what you're upgrading to?
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I'm not. I'm either getting rid of all my audio besides the HU or I'm putting it all in the Alti.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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PPI!! lol im very satisfied with my ppi...if not go with the arc.
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PPI!! lol im very satisfied with my ppi...if not go with the arc.

PPI is mainstream crap nowadays. If you get their old stuff then hell ya. NEW PPI is maybe 1/10th of what Arc is in terms of quality.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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i was very impressed on PPI's part in pushing the speakers and the quality it distributes. it is not the best, i know that, but it is worth the 500 BUCKS. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I WOULD TAKE THIS PPI AMP OVER MY OLDER PHEONIX GOLD.

freakin PG!! it's supposed to puch 600 watts to anywhere from 1-8 ohms , it was pushing my 2 ohm sub PERFECTLY untill i connected a 4 ohm sub to test it out,, guess what... it started smoking
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I do want to try Xetec out tho, anyone had any experience?
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Originally Posted by eckounltd287
i was very impressed on PPI's part in pushing the speakers and the quality it distributes. it is not the best, i know that, but it is worth the 500 BUCKS. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I WOULD TAKE THIS PPI AMP OVER MY OLDER PHEONIX GOLD.

freakin PG!! it's supposed to puch 600 watts to anywhere from 1-8 ohms , it was pushing my 2 ohm sub PERFECTLY untill i connected a 4 ohm sub to test it out,, guess what... it started smoking
Ya would you rather spend that $500 on a PPI or an Arc? Personally I would save up more and spend even $800 on an Arc. PG is crap nowadays their as good as profile.
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oh god profile. i wouldnt give that to my worst enemy. i havent gotten that chance to test out arc, so i wouldnt know. that dls someone posted looked WELL built tho.
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+1 on arc...
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eckounltd287
I do want to try Xetec out tho, anyone had any experience?
No personal experience, but a few posts I read on a European forum from users said they pack a lotta power in a small footprint.

I'm not saying it's the best, but what did you not like about the Rockford Power amp? Did it sound bad and what led you to believe it was due to the amp?

"open, and wide soundstage" to me would likely be more of products of the install/speakers/ and speaker location moreso than what amp you're using. Even the "crystal clear sound" you're looking for...are you sure thats because of the amp and not other things?

If you want more power, or just wanna change, thats cool....but a lot of systems can not sound up to the owners expectations for a lot of reasons besides what amp you're using.

Want a powerful versatile four channel amp that is "in the league" of the other amps you're looking at and cheaper....here ya go. Jump on this while you have the chance. Don't find these babies around much...
http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showt...hreadid=129088
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Originally Posted by BBOYSTEVIE
I'm not saying it's the best, but what did you not like about the Rockford Power amp? Did it sound bad and what led you to believe it was due to the amp?

"open, and wide soundstage" to me would likely be more of products of the install/speakers/ and speaker location moreso than what amp you're using. Even the "crystal clear sound" you're looking for...are you sure thats because of the amp and not other things?
The Rockford just sounds barely above average to me. What made me want to upgrade is hearing my brother's recent setup with a JL Audio amp powering 4 Focal Accesses. His speakers are a step below mine but overall produced a fuller, richer sound.

I know speaker placement has a lot to do with soundstage but I'm happy where they are right (meaning I'm too lazy to move them again :P).

Any reputable online dealers for Arc Audio or did Pearly brainwash everyone into buying retail? (i kid, i kid)
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not sure on Arc's online policy but offhand I don't know of any places that do.
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how much power was that RF amp giving your comps? power isn't everything, the install is also plays a vital role on how it'll sound. but arc gets my vote.
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No Online sales of Arc, I guess this Pearly guy musta brainwashed em all, but not into retail
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i gotta contact this Pearly guy about some D9 amps...
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I really hope your kidding.

I like ya Gordo, I really wouldnt wanna change that by selling you those.
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not for me, but for a buddy of mine...

and i didn't know D9 amps are "bad"...care to elaborate?
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Do a bit of searching and check the internals...thats all Im gonna say.

D6s..solid performers and decent price.

D3s..great price point and theyll provide rated power all day.

D9s...Jury isnt back on that one yet.

Its primarily the markets assumption thats its their highest level with a price tag to match, so "it Must be good". By far different from original copy of the Esoteric E7s.
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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I have a PPI DCX1000.4 for sale hardly used with custom plexi top and graphics for $250 if you happen to be interested. I would not consider PPI mainstream crap as someone posted above. I know nobody that runs PPI personally, I don't consider it mainstream
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Originally Posted by Pearl96Max
Do a bit of searching and check the internals...thats all Im gonna say.

D6s..solid performers and decent price.

D3s..great price point and theyll provide rated power all day.

D9s...Jury isnt back on that one yet.

Its primarily the markets assumption thats its their highest level with a price tag to match, so "it Must be good". By far different from original copy of the Esoteric E7s.

I definitely agree on the D3..... Christi is still running it in my old car i assume and the thing puts out gobs of power (D3 3400.4)
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Do a bit of searching and check the internals...thats all Im gonna say.

D6s..solid performers and decent price.

D3s..great price point and theyll provide rated power all day.

D9s...Jury isnt back on that one yet.

Its primarily the markets assumption thats its their highest level with a price tag to match, so "it Must be good". By far different from original copy of the Esoteric E7s.
yeah, remember that guy i told ya about trying to get his G35c all diamond'ed out? he's been debating back and forth between audison and the d9 amps to power his diamond subs. looks like i gotta do some researching. those d9 amps ain't cheap...
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Originally Posted by AscendantMax
yeah, remember that guy i told ya about trying to get his G35c all diamond'ed out? he's been debating back and forth between audison and the d9 amps to power his diamond subs. looks like i gotta do some researching. those d9 amps ain't cheap...

Thats a no brainer...especially with flexibility and addons for the VRxs..which is almost what I order today if I didnt get confirmation for my SEs shipping..
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Personally I love Pyramid/Legacy amps, I dare someone to show me a better performer!
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Originally Posted by slammed
Personally I love Pyramid/Legacy amps, I dare someone to show me a better performer!



Quoted for truth.


Ya know I gots wub for ya
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bastard LOL


this is why you want me to post here?

Im leaving
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Nah I sowwy, had ta get ya back one time.

We're good now.
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bastard LOL


this is why you want me to post here?

Im leaving



now thats givin it right back.
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