Ok so i got 2 sets of the SLC 265's from the first rainbow soundline GB (Thanks Don!) and i have them hooked up to a 4channel amp... I noticed when my audio guy installed them.. he didn't use the crossovers that came with the SLC 265's and told me they would make no difference..? Now is he on drugs or something or do I really not need them if i have them hooked up to a 4 channel amp? i dont want my tweeters to blow or my 6.5's to blow either. I have 2 subs as well but they're hooked up to a separate amp.

any suggestions?

 

Yes. Drugs. Definitely.

 

That is, unless you are running 2 sets of components actively at 2 ohms x4 off of the one 4ch amp, (what deck are you running?) in which case theres not much point in the active part, since you cant really tune or do any time alignment. So hence I say, yes, drugs.

 

therefore I take it i should definitely use the crossovers.. and there could have been no other possible way he could have wired them without using those crossovers to prevent me from blowing my precious soundlines in the future...

 

what deck are you running? any other components in your system at all, mainly tuning wise?

 

i'm running an alpine DVA-9861

 

i have the soundlines SLC 265's as my fronts AND rears, alpine DVA-9861 deck, MTX TC4004 4ch amp for the fronts + rears, and 2 pioneer premier's 12's hooked up to a fosgate T20001BD amp

 

AFAIK (not 100% sure of the specs of that deck off hand) you'd need external processing to wire it any other way, and said other way would be retarded in any case. So I still say drugs.

 

damn it..gotta get this fixed then lol... and if something does blow.. would it be the tweets.. 6.5's.. or both =S

 

Wait a few mins, see if Don happens to see this thread...

 

Drugs yes, reality ones? Nah.

Can you get a pic of the wiring on the amp as well as the settings on it? Also the HU settings if you can.

More importantly, how does it sound?

 

I'll try to get a pic up later tonight or tomorrow for sure... how does it sound? sounds great to me.. but I got worried cause couple other people saw my setup and told me my tweeters will blow cause i have no crossovers setup... but so far so good?

as for HU settings.. if you mean bass treble etc etc..

Bass is set to +3 (out of 10)
Treble is at 0 (out of 10)
Subwoofer is at +10 (out of 15)

no gains or bass boost or anything like that..

there's another thing on the deck.. i think it's a filter..goes up in hertz i think like 60 then 80 then 100 then 125 i believe... that's set at 80...

if you meant a picture of the deck settings.. I'll try to get a pic of that.. although I'm not quite sure how i'll do that unless I remove the deck lol.

 

The stock rainbow x-overs need to be in there. Take it back to the dumba$$ that installed it and make him do it. You have no x-over protecting your tweeters they WILL blow out. Also rainbows x-overs are generally of better quality than any hu can provide, def have him redo it. You spend money on a good install and got a shat job.

 

I agree....drugs. Not the light stuff either.

 

wow...

was it done at best buy?? thats friggin ridiculous

 

certain amps you can get away with out using the external crossover and using the internal crossover like the one on the jl amp i know you can off the top of my head you can change the freq range to x10 on the jl amps and then change the filter freq to adjust for not having the crossovers. Ive done both and they both sound similiar.

 

your right, but were talking Two comps set from one 4 channel amp...something has to be bridged there, so he either has no fader or no balance.

 

thanks for the info guys.. I'll def take it back to him and have him put in those x-overs.


thanks again!

 

Could be Crack Or maybe Heron

 

Heron?

Isnt he a member here?

 

Heron......isn't that a bird?

And yes, he is on drugs, I would find someone else to correct his mistakes.

 

What I dont get is how a system would even work for 5 min while being wired like that. I mean, the tweeters I would think would be toast in a matter of seconds getting the full signal. No offense, but anybody with half an ear, let alone somebody who bought a high quality set like Rainbows should recognize such an obvious wiring blunder. If the wiring is inccorect, it should have been quite evident within the first 5 seconds of playing time. Good luck. Keep us posted. As well, the settings of the installer are not always the optimal settings for your listening tastes and cabin acoustics. I would sit down with the system once it is all taken care of and calibrate it. Most installers are not audiophiles and the average shop could not care less about how it sounds, They simply slap the equipment in and put you back on the road. Unless that is you are working with a reall deal shop. If this is the case, tell em you want him to RTA your car. It is really helpful in the tweakign dept. good luck.

 

If theyre using the high pass, then it wouldnt be an issue of running those tweets at full range, hence them working ok.

 

I would use the crossovers personally. This system wasn't made for obvious reasons to run power to individual speakers.

 

Where is this installer working? Pretty bad stuff right there.

 

well got some good news... took it back and he installed the crossovers and they still sound the same as when he did his wiring.. soo... maybe he did do something right even though he wasn't using the crossovers? Anyways got that taken care of so now they shouldn't blow or anything like that They sound pretty damn good and not too bright... Don is it possible to get another pair of just the rainbow tweeters? I'm debating now whether to replace my other tweeters I installed in the A Pillar last year with rainbows since the rainbow ones just officially made my other tweeters sound like garbage lol.

 

Wait, what? You're running two different tweeters per side right now? Damn, that must sound like @sshole. Consolidate my friend.

 

Ya know, again, NO disrespect, But here you are with a beautiful pair of comps that most salivate to have. and you are doing your system dirty with added tweaters and the such. Can you say phase issues? more than one set of tweets up front can lead to a total collapse of imaging and soundstage if not implemented correctly with something like the CDT image enhancement set. Please do yourself a favor and learn a little about acoustics. I bet if you disconnected your tweeters in the a pillars you would gain more focus. basic rule of thumb is that the tweeters shold be as close to the mid as possible to reduce phase issues as much as possible. If you have your tweets too far away and then add another set of tweets to the mix, then I dont know why you bothered to by a high end set of comps. You might as well go to Wally world and go nuts. Just trying to bang some sense into you. BTW what do you have these extra tweets hooked up to? What are they crossed over at? Honestly it doesnt sound like you know a whole lot about the fundementals of sound....And thats okay, there are plenty of us here that are more than happy to help you out. See the light my young jedi.

 

ok well I guess i should start off from the beginning... when I originally had the bose system.. I wasn't pleased with the bose tweeters so i disconnected them and added my own tweeters in the A-Pillars and a set at the back. It sounded much much better...

now that I got these rainbow tweeters... the tweeters I installed last year now sound like garbage lol... So What you guys are telling me is that Just keeping the rainbow tweeters and not installing another set of the rainbow tweeters in the A-Pillars would be the better way to go?

Keep in mind I have an alpine DVA-9861 deck and I'm adding the Alpine PXA-H701 + RUX-C701 multimedia manager which has a 31 band EQ plus time correction.

on a side note.. DON: did you get my PM?

 

hes on crack!!!!

 

yes yes we're done talking about that now :P I have other questions now

 

Get rid of all tweeters, save your rainbow tweets, install those in the a's and leave it at that.

 

I would have to agree the dual tweet setup in the front is a bad idea. Regardless of what type they are. Take the other tweets out and try it like that..

 

hmm Ok i'll try it out and see how it goes...

Don: did you get my PM?? whenever I send you one you dont reply lol

 

I just did, right here...

 

yes you did... but I'd still like to know the price and if they do come separately

 

yes they do, about $110

 

thanks don.. i'll take out the other tweeters and see how I like it with just the rainbows.. and if I feel like the extra rainbow tweets will do me some good I'll PM you with payment for another set

 

No problem, Ill be here.

 

prince starbai- If you do in fact feel that you want an extra set of tweets up front, make sure that you high pass them even higher than your main tweets. You will also want to have them so you barely can tell that there are there. They should be used to enhance the imaging and not simply to add more SPL in the treble department. Implementation is the key here.