i am extremely confused now...should i get 2 12 inch kicker l7's or stay with my 12 inch w6's??? im confused as too what to do. which sub will hit bass harder and better??? also what are the peak power handling of both???

 

Well, unless there's something wrong with your 12w6's ( Which are great subs) I wouldn't go out and buy new ones. Use the money for something else. W6's pound like hell. Maybe not quite as much as the L7, but the L7 takes a ton of power to make it sound right IMO.

 

my w6's are blown. thats why im asking. also will a fosgate 1000a2 be enough to power the l7's???

 

Correction, L7's take a lot of power to push in a sealed box. In a vented box(which is what I have) they pound VERY well with my DX700 amp. I have not been able to get them checked for db yet but I am posative that it is in the low to mid 150s. The L7's are worth upgrading to if you run a sealed box. If you dont I dont think it is worth it.

K

 

Just out of curiosity, how did you "blow" them? I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, but I have three 10w6s, with a VERY strong Kicker zr600 (birth certificate lists max at 1376 watts) and they have been pushed to hell and back with my fits of needing to hear _________ (fill in the blank) so loudly that it makes my boys crawl up inside me. Do you have a good (read clean) amp? How much headroom? What is your final ohm load? Is your head unit clean? Did you turn the bass up on your head unit? Basically what i'm saying is that the only way i have ever seen someone blow a w6 is with very dirty power, and a new set of square speakers will not help eliminate distortion.
As for the next question: Why not just wait on the w7s....I'm sure they will destroy anything that comes out, or has come out at least for a few years. So, IMHO, I think you should wait and get the w7s, they are the NASTIEST subs I have ever seen.....I worked at a retailer, and we got to bench test the new amps and the w7s before anyone else saw them.

Later on,
Lee DeVine

 

first of all the w7's are gunna cost well over 300 a woofer and thats too much. i can get the l7's with the kicker warranty for 210 per woofer. also bout my w6's. all the installs were clean but the ehadunit that i have has an option for deep bass. deep bass hits very very hard. bass level half way+deep bass=blown w6's

 

Well, If I might offer one more bit of advice. Tune your headunit to the flattest setting, i.e. bass at 0, treble at 0, with loudness off and any super-duper bassificator switch off. It distorts horribly, and will not only make your music sound dirty, but I would suspect it is also your culprit, with regard to your blown W6s. Tune it for bass at the amp only, unless you have a dedicated processor/ preamp. This will ensure a longer, more enjoyable life for your subs, and your amp, since the signal coming into the amp is unadulterated, and therefore cleaner.

Just some helpful advice, and by the way, JL's warranty is three years, not two or one, as with most other companies, so it may be worth the extra loot. Happy trails to you and yours

-Lee DeVine

 

Why would anyone want to put their music on the flatest eq all the time?! That is insane. I only put mine on a flat eq when I am doing an RTA test. It sounds like @$$ if you leave it there all the time. I look in my sig - I keep my bass setting in the middle, play with my remote gain frequently and sometimes I even mess with the eq to bring out the bass. I have never blown a sub. IMO I would go with the KICKER brand. I have tried many different brands along the way and have come to the conclusion that KICKER just does better than anything else. Every bass competition I have gone to has had a car with KICKER products take either first or second, and sometimes both. But, its your money, do what you want with it.

K

 

u gots the setup i want but in a sealed box. what type of power wire u running??? fuse??? also will a fosgate power 1000a2 be enough to power them???

 

I'm running 4 guage power wire. Fuse is an 80. The 1000a2 will push them nicely, but if there is ANY way you can do a vented box it will sound much louder than sealed. Sealed will be minimaly cleaner sounding and much smaller(the box that is). They will sound great.

K

 

awesome...cuz on my old system i have 4 gauge wires and 80 watt fuse. also at what ohm are the woofers?? cuz they have the 4 ohm and 2 ohm version of the woofer. also how many watts are u running per woofer??? cuz with 1000a2 i might be able to run 600 per woofer.

 

also whats the difference between a vented and sealed box???

 

The major differences between vented and sealed are: 1)Vented requires less power to push the subs(this also means that if you have a lot of power running them in a vented box they will be VERY loud), 2)The box will increase in size, and 3)The subs will play lower vented than sealed. I know a guy with a vented 15" L7 being pushed by a 150 watt amp and it gets very loud. If trunk space is a premium for you(read: if you value being able to put stuff in your trunk) go with the sealed box, but note that this will make the subs harder to push and not as loud nor as low. I STRONGLY suggest going with a vented box, you will never regret it.

K

 

at what ohm are the woofers?? cuz they have the 4 ohm and 2 ohm version of the woofer. also how many watts are u running per woofer??? and with the 4 gauge wire are u having any power loss???

 

Very good questions. I will have to check with my cousin about these and let you know tomorrow. He works for a car audio shop and has hooked me up with mad discounts. He has also personaly done all the instilation besides the face I recently put in(with his supervision). I will let you know tomorrow for sure about all these questions.

K

 

cool bro thanks alot for all the help

 

Im running my subs at 4ohm, the 4 guage wire does make a little power loss(ie:the lights dim if I pound hard at night), I have a KICKER DX700 amp pushing them - so I guess 350 to each. Hope this clears things up for you.

K

 

im getting my 2 12inch l7's tommorrow with a box. im gunna put my old fosgate amp on it. dude i cant wait till i start bumping that .

 

I dont' know about the 150 db with 700 watts.... Usually people use over 2000 watts to get 150db.

Anyways.... The peak power for the 12" L7 is 750 watts...so 2 of those with the rf1000d would be fine. I've never really been fond of JL but i'm sure the w6's are great. With the L7's I've seen those things do worse than a 6x9 and i've seen them hit really really hard so it all depends on your box. It's up to you is what it gets down to.

If i were you, i'd buy my Shocker x-treme 15"
5000 watts peak....you're not gonna blow this puppy!!
I'd be willing to see for like $300.

 

Yes. Those bass boost gimmicks in source units are junk. They cause terrible distortion in my experience. If you have subs and power, you don't need that boost junk.

 

Correction for what? I also said it will hit harder in a PORTED box than sealed. If you run sealed it takes mad power to hit 150. If you do it vented it obviously does not. Im not trying to flame you or anything, but check what was posted more carefully. If you dont think I'll hit 150 with my set up I'll have to get it tested ASAP and show you that if it doesnt it comes REALLY close.

K

 

Sorry that correction thing was something i just messed up in pasting. You're right about the needing more power with seal boxes....I'm just saying that it's really hard to get to the 150 db range with 700 watts of power. I'm telling you this through what i've seen. The L7's are definately able to get you that 150 but you need the power. I saw this guy with an Alero w/ 2 12" L7's with 1500 watts RMS and hit a 150.2 but the microphones were high so i think he'd be hitting a 148.5 or so and another guy using around the same power to get a 151. Anyways i'm just saying that you'll need more power to reach X-max which is how all these other guys are getting 150's.

On the brighter side....you can probably get a 150 using the L7G's G= Gate's edition

 

Where can I get this "G" edition? After talking to my cousin again today he said that I will probably be only at 148 db(and thats just judging by his ear). Oh well, its loud enough for me and I'm able to bass away all the competition that wants to pump it on the streets.

K

 

hehe....unfortunately, the L7G's (Gates Edition) are only avalible to Alma Gates and Team Gates. Kicker does not allow regular consumers to buy these so we have to use the crappy L7's. But i suppose you can ask Alma if she's willing to sell. Alma's e-mail, AZSPL@aol.com

 

Thanks for the email addy, I'll send one to her shortly.

K