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Old 07-15-2007, 02:04 AM
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1 sub vs. 2

Hey guys... I currently have 2 Alpine-S Type DVC 12"s that are couple years old. They each run 200 RMS at 4 OHMS.

I'm really sick of not having any trunk space, so as I outfit my newly acquired '03 SE, I'm thinking about purchasing a single sub that can give me at least equal performance. I'm a student on a tight-ish budget, so does anyone have any opinions on what one sub(s) I should consider?

It would be really great if I could use my same Alpine monoblock, it runs at 400 RMS at 4 OHMS obviously, and 800 RMS at 2 OHMS I believe.

Thanx in advance!
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Old 07-15-2007, 04:27 AM
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there are countless subs we can recommend. what's your budget?
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:36 AM
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just fyi 2 10 " subs will usally outproform 1 15" sub. if i was to sugest just 1 sub id say get a kicker comp the round one. run it at 400 rms. should be nice and loud for you probably wont be as loud but sounds like you would port it. if you build the box right you should have a little room in your trunk.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:39 AM
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I have a single eD.A and feed it 1200w @ 1ohm... it pounds pretty hard and was the best deal I could find at the time.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...roducts_id=554
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Originally Posted by arkainshadow
just fyi 2 10 " subs will usally outproform 1 15" sub.

how can you possibly just generalize this?
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Old 07-15-2007, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by spark plugs.
there are countless subs we can recommend. what's your budget?
I am hoping to stick around $200-$250 shipped.

THX's suggestion looks like a sweet deal, although it's more than I want to spend. If I couldn't get anything decent for cheaper I might save up for a while longer and go for something like that. It all depends on what you guys think would be comparable to or better than my setup.

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f i was to sugest just 1 sub id say get a kicker comp the round one. run it at 400 rms.
If this is what you're talking about then I like the price very much. I haven't always heard the best things about kicker, but then again I am no expert.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Kicker-CVR-1...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 07-15-2007, 08:29 AM
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^ Check out their O series. Lotsa happy ED owners out there.
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There's way too many options out there that if setup properly will outperform the dual 10" setup that you have. You may even be able to utilize ONE of those 10's in a better enclosure and get the results you're looking for. Speaker placement is also a big deal. I would build a box to spec for one of the 10's you have now and mount it in the driverside rear 1/4. Face it towards the passenger side corner. I am 90% sure this will result in the sound you're looking for based on my previous experience with this exact mounting setup in my old vehicle.

Of course this is all subjective, we've all got opinions and its just who's opinion you actually choose to go with.
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Originally Posted by mendon99
how can you possibly just generalize this?
he's so wrong in so many ways...and i have practical experience with both setups.
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Originally Posted by nismos14
There's way too many options out there that if setup properly will outperform the dual 10" setup that you have. You may even be able to utilize ONE of those 10's in a better enclosure and get the results you're looking for. Speaker placement is also a big deal. I would build a box to spec for one of the 10's you have now and mount it in the driverside rear 1/4. Face it towards the passenger side corner. I am 90% sure this will result in the sound you're looking for based on my previous experience with this exact mounting setup in my old vehicle.

Of course this is all subjective, we've all got opinions and its just who's opinion you actually choose to go with.
This is what I would suggest, however, if you want to upgrade to a single sub, something like an Eclipse Aluminum or Titanium DVC with more power will suit you well. They are a bit out of your stated price range new, but you can get a used one fairly cheap.

titanium on ebay
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eclipse titanium is a great sub +1. JLw6 v2 might be another suggestion
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Old 07-15-2007, 11:32 AM
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Sweet, I'm getting a much better idea about what I should be looking for.

As far as using a better enclosure for one of my current ones, which style would be ideal?

I have 12"s by the way not 10"s, I think arkainshadow's post confused everyone.
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Low tuned ported for maximum output/flat response.
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depends what you listen to in my opinion
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Old 07-15-2007, 01:12 PM
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Here are two that I found, and Eclipse and an Alpine R Type. Same power handling, the Eclipse is more expensive. Is the Eclipse worth the extra money?

Eclipse
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-2007-E...QQcmdZViewItem

Alpine
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Alpine-12-Ca...QQcmdZViewItem
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Not sure about the Eclipse Aluminum's (Titaniums are pretty Good though but out of your budget). The Type R can handle at least 700RMS if properly suited and not abused. Try the type R in a 3.0 enclosure at 32hz. Good bang for the buck.
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Type Rs can handle a 1000w a piece if you know at all how to tune.

Eclispe Aluminums are very crisp, clear sounding drivers and can get fairly loud as well.
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^^^^didn't want to recommend above 700rms b/c most don't know how to tune or drive into clipping. I had mine on 1000rms with no problems.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:26 AM
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As a matter of fact viper, I can sell you one if you're interested. Dual 4ohm, purchased in March 06. And I think I still have a W6v1 laying around the house somewhere...300rms.
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Old 07-16-2007, 08:31 AM
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I would go without any subs. With a pair of good 6.5" or larger midbass drivers, you should have enough lows. Also, the fact that the subwoofers go in the trunk is a huge drawback. You want all the sound in front of you, just like at a concert.
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
I would go without any subs. With a pair of good 6.5" or larger midbass drivers, you should have enough lows. Also, the fact that the subwoofers go in the trunk is a huge drawback. You want all the sound in front of you, just like at a concert.
you could adjust the phase and have it "sound" like its' up front.
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
I would go without any subs. With a pair of good 6.5" or larger midbass drivers, you should have enough lows. Also, the fact that the subwoofers go in the trunk is a huge drawback. You want all the sound in front of you, just like at a concert.
Most of us are running subs and most 6.5's will not produce the lowest rumbles and subsonic information would be lost without a sub. Of course some subs don't even go that low, but generally thats what the sub is there for.
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Originally Posted by nismos14
Most of us are running subs and most 6.5's will not produce the lowest rumbles and subsonic information would be lost without a sub. Of course some subs don't even go that low, but generally thats what the sub is there for.
plus...subbass is nondirectional
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^^ very true.
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Originally Posted by slickrick
plus...subbass is nondirectional
yeah but you can still hear that it's behind you, instead of up front where it should be (along with the other frequencies)
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Not with a proper setup and time alignment / phase shifting.
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
yeah but you can still hear that it's behind you, instead of up front where it should be (along with the other frequencies)
READ my response.
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Originally Posted by burnurass
READ my response.

Oops sorry...I was distracted by the beautiful picture. Still, I'd rather have the free trunk space.
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I have 95% of my trunk space
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Originally Posted by ElVito1981
Oops sorry...I was distracted by the beautiful picture. Still, I'd rather have the free trunk space.
Ooohhh but you still can...infinite baffle FTW
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Originally Posted by Fast1one
Ooohhh but you still can...infinite baffle FTW

Nooo 3 way passive up front.... yes thats what he wants, 3 way passive or bust no wooferz.
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Originally Posted by nismos14
Nooo 3 way passive up front.... yes thats what he wants, 3 way passive or bust no wooferz.

You're god damn right
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I give it a coupla months before you get some 8's or something IB in the rear deck.
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Originally Posted by nismos14
I give it a coupla months before you get some 8's or something IB in the rear deck.

No, I live 4 hours away from Don--I'm only making that trip once.
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4 hours? Thats it?
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Originally Posted by nismos14
4 hours? Thats it?

Yeah I'm not within minutes like you
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4 hours isn't all that bad... prob a good thing you're not minutes away
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Originally Posted by nismos14
4 hours isn't all that bad... prob a good thing you're not minutes away

probably yeah--I'm not even gonna want to listen to Don's system, because I know it's like 10 times better than what I'm gonna get, so I don't want that letdown
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Lawl.

Why aren't you going active?
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