1. Eclipse SW8200
2. Alpine SWR-1542D (TYPE R)
4. Rockford Fosgate Power T112D4

Tryin to decide on subs to hook up to JL 1000/1. I've been staring down the SW8200's but does anyone have any experience with em or could suggest another pair?

THanks

 

I believe the 8200s use the LMS technology from TC sounds...they are good drivers, out of those choices I would go with those...

 

I wouldn't touch any TC driver right now.

What is your budget?

 

I wouldn't touch a TC driver bought direct, through eclipse however I see nothing wrong with it, I am sure they will stand by their product...

Review on the SW8200

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...ead.php?t=4147

 

budget....around $600...would love to spend less than $400

 

out of those, i'd get the eclipse.

 

If you want to give it a little time, the new mag is due to come out very soon, and is going to be under 275 direct shipped

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/f...howtopic=14182

Do a search on Stereo Integrity Magnums, great subwoofers and the new ones are going to be nearly half the price of the older versions...

 

is there a reason why you narrowed down to these 3?

 

Well, the Alpines I know will compfort my needs is will be very dependable from my experience. I used to have 12" for 3 years and nothing ever went wrong with them.

The Rockfords, I never heard of this series and they look great, and i've heard nithing but good things,

The Eclipse, just curious about them. They have a nice design but i've heard alot of pros and cons....

I have always used kicker and alpine, but I wanted sumthin new

 

I would wait till there are some credible reveiws on the new Mag. Everyone says it will be better than the old vesion yet noone knows. I seriously doubt you have heard one, if you have then disregard my post. Why recommend a sub to someone you have never heard or have any experience with?

 

Yes they would. What happens when TC is actually totally gone and parts are impossible to come by? Just a fair question.

 

Do you have any way to demo any of these? I wouldn't make a choice until you have. You may find yourself with more than just those three options. Listen to as many as you can.

 

Have a little faith in SI, I have heard the original magnum (claw baby!) and was very impressed by both the output and the fidelity...what makes you think the new one will be WORSE?

Isn't Nick (Electrodynamic) credible enough? I would think he would have the most experience with his sub

One last note, its XBL^2 driven

Don't blow the sub But seriously, a huge company like eclipse should have plenty of parts laying around for warranty repairs...Would be rather inefficient to sent the sub to them, they send it to TC, then send it back to us, got me there though

 

dammit i didn't know the new mags are XBL2 driven.

 

Neither did I until Nick finally gave us comments, for under 275 that is an amazing deal They are pretty shallow too...

 

if i known they used the XBL2 motor, i'd would have gotten the mag instead of the Q.

i've had the brahma and aa avalanche. both were sweet *** subs. very linear throughout the excursion range. and they can get loud too.

 

To play devil's advocate, don't you think Nick is of course going to talk highly about his own sub? Granted people have experience with the older ones, but who in their right mind is going to run a company, put out a sub, and post online saying a single negative thing about it? Nick himself said he sacrificed power handling for better SQ, which is a good thing in my opinion too so im not hating on it, but who knows to what extent?...and what to compare it to in real world? He showed a bunch of graphs against a 12W7 in WinISD...whoop dee doo, its Just Lousy. Thats still a decent comparison because a lot of people have heard W7's, and its a good price comparison too, but still nobody has any play time with these yet to compare to the other competing subs, especially from the smaller companies in competing price points like an RL-p or Q. But none of these were talked about by the OP so its all moot right now.

Like I said I'm not hating on SI or the Mag, I'm all for more SQL drivers out there and in its price point it will probably do well, but just playing devil's advocate because nobody has heard them yet.

 

I told you xbl2 will never die...all the haters back on SI.net (when it was around), totally dogged it once Wiggins dipped out of the car audio scene...you will love the Fi sub don't worry.

 

All though I do agree with you, being "loud" isn't a mystery, its a SCIENCE. T/S parameters don't tell the whole story from a sound quality standpoint, but they also don't lie either...if you choose the right enclosure, the correct configuration in our cars, and you have the power to back it up, it WILL be loud if the woofer has a significant amount of throw.

Remember, its all about moving air in an efficient way. You can't take a woofer with a QTS of .2 and expect it it to perform well in a sealed box, tailor the enclosure to the woofer and you should get fantastic results...

As far as SQ, it is subjective but I SERIOUSLY doubt its going to sound bad...have you ever heard of XBL^2? The technology has given us woofers with some of the lowest distortion levels on the market. Ever heard of the legendary RE XXX(pre-06))? Adire Brahma? Extremis 6.8/4? AA Avalanche? The list goes on and on...

As far as "Just Lousy", I wouldn't jump to conclusions, are they over priced? Yes. Are the products bad? Of course not, the W6 is one of the cleanest woofers I have heard...W7 is no slouch either, just sacrificed sound quality for sheer movement...

We always want what we don't have! Don't worry about it mang, like slick said, I doubt you will be disappointed with the Q, give it a chance. If the curiousity gets the best of you, you can always sell it
XBL2 is making its mark in many woofers, even full range drivers are getting a taste...

 

1. Yes the original Mag was an awesome driver. I have heard both the claw and 12 spoke and they were impressive.

2. I don't think the new version will be worse. I honestly have no idea, nor do you. I don't know what the would be if "new" always meant better.

3. I am in no way questioning Nick's or SI's credibility, charachter or business practices. Not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post. I am 100% positive he wants the new version to be better. Noone knows though.

4. I have never heard an XBL^2 driver I didn't like. Split gap was an amazing addition to driver technology.

5. Do you really think Eclipse has endless bins of spare parts for repairs? I am sure they have a certain amount based upon relative levels of sales related to each driver. Companies are taxed on inventory, there is no incentive for them to have gobs of parts sitting around just in case. I am not saying that Eclipse wouldn't take care of the issue, they would, I would just feel better about buying that sub from them if they owned the patent on LMS. I am sure it is for sale considering the state of affairs of TC.

6. I agree it would not be cost effective to send a driver to Eclipse and then to TC and back again. Not sure how you came up with that either.

I am judging the choices based on risk analysis. I don't know anything about the new driver outside of Nick at SI's intentions for the new Mag. Noone has any idea about how the driver will perform. Blindly recommending something to another person w/o personal experience can put your credibility at risk. I am not trying t be a *****, but you are talking out of you posterior. That isn't good. Or is it?

 

So wait, beacause it has XBL^2 it is automatically better than another proven driver? Are you falling victim to the grape vine effect...

 

Split gap is awesome. Wiggins did something very good for all audiphiles. Don't forget about split coil technology developed by Scott from Fi. It serve a very similar purpose.

 

There are a ton of choices out there these days, I gave him a suggestion based on quality of product and company for the listed drivers, how eclipse handles their warranty claims is another discussion in its entirety, and not the subject of this thread...

Read post #7 again filtor, I never recommended that he purchase the mag on a whim, just told him to give it some time and let things unravel...

I don't understand why you have to be so negative about the whole thing. Loosen up your collar and have a little faith once in a while...

 

exactly...IIRC AA used it on certain drivers post xbl2 drivers they produced and still might.

 

Your first paragraph is what I am taking issue with. You ARE suggesting a product that you have zero experience with. Everything I posted has to do with this thread. Someone asked for advice and I am unsure pointing out how someone recommending a product they have never used over another is good advice. It isn't pure and simple.

I read post #7 again.
If you want to give it a little time, the new mag is due to come out very soon, and is going to be under 275 direct shipped

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/f...howtopic=14182

Do a search on Stereo Integrity Magnums, great subwoofers and the new ones are going to be nearly half the price of the older versions...

Here you made a suggestion to the OP to look into a new driver. I am reading between the lines here, it seems as if you are basing the recommendation upon price and performance of the previous model. If I am wrong please correct me. I was simply stating that your recommendations are built on your lack of real experience with the driver. If you are basing a buying decision on price and an optimistic outlook on an untested driver, then go for it. I will politely disagree with your methodology. This is where my posts come in.

I can not appologize for being negative. I see life as such and take nothing for what it appears. It usually isn't. I definitely have a loose collar and fail seeing the correlation between "faith" and a sound decision about where to spend one's recources. I have zero faith in other people and find it to be counterproductive on many levels.

What does any of this have to do with this thread? I hope it gives the OP perspective when making this choice.

 

yep...I remember him showing prototype tweeters and people were like wtf....those were the days when I cared about car audio.

 

You are putting words in my mouth now to back up your claim, I simply stated to look into the older drivers to get a feel of the reputation they have established...never did I say buy this, I said look into it...people just don't have patience anymore.

I used simple logic to denote that the new driver will likely deliver, judging by the reputation of the previous models. Can it be worse? Sure...but not likely in my opinion with the addition of XBL2 and two credible witnesses that have confirmed Nick's description of the driver, which I forgot to mention

Who is right here? NO ONE! Its all speculation in the end. I never gave a concrete "Buy this", I simply suggested that the OP broaden his horizons and consider other options other than three originally mentioned...

Why are you so set on proving me wrong anyway? Sheesh, give it a rest...its an internet forum

 

grape vine effect...?

anyhow, i just loved every xbl2 equipped subs i've owned or had the chance to listen to. so just basing on my past experiences, i wouldn't hesitate to purchase another sub with that motor. i know i'll be happy with it.

the Q i only read reviews over, and wanted to see what its about...hence the reason i ordered one.

 

Who are your "credible" witnesses? Just curious.

Through your suggestion to consider buying the new Mag, you did offer a testamonial that the product will perform. Because you "think" it will, not because you know it will.

I am not set on proving you wrong, just offering an opposing side to your logic in an attempt to help the OP become more informed. I know life is full of speculation about things that are going to happen, I just hate that and would rather go with a proven technology/product over an unproven one.

 

Well after doing some reading on the Mags, and seeing some online demos, it's make you want to get one.

Down the line in the future I will have to test 1 out for myself. In the meantime, I'm searching for wats out there now and what i'm comparing. I think I might just try out the elclipe. Shouldn't hurt.

Only thing that throws me off is that they are rated at 670watts RMS. What I don't understand is that on the Eclipse website they are Single Coil 3ohm, and everywhere else they are single 4ohm. So, thats whats holdin me back now. I think i'm gonna just go back to my old alpines

 

This person tells this person and the process continues until enough people have heard it take the statement as fact.

Word! I am also a huge fan of the XBL^2 motors. And I would take your recommendation due to your direct experience with the product.

The reviews you read on the Q were from people that have heard and/or used the driver, correct? I am glad you took the plunge.

I wish I had the disposable income right now, I would pre-order the new Mag and do a review. I look forward to hearing what it is capable of.

 

Coils generally read a little lower than the "rated" load. The measurement may have been taken before the driver was broken in as well. You can consider it a 4ohm SVC for normal operation. To my understanding the JL1000 will put out rated power at a veriety of different ohm loads as well. You should have no issue at all with the Eclipse subs.

What Alpines did you have before?

 

stupid UPS. the Q won't come until monday. it was originally scheduled for this friday.

 

Ok let's start one now...believe it not...I am dating Carmen Electra. This is gonna be a fact once a few people concur with me.

 

Sucks.

 

I heard that slickrick is dating Carmen Electra. He is a stud.

 

I had 12" Type R's running under a Kicker ZX1000.1

The 15" are rated at 750RMS, so i'm also thinking about a different amp as well.

 

not with his current tiny arms he isn't.