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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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How many subs???

Wanted to know how many subs I should go with. I was planning on doing either 4 10's or three 12's.

Which would be a better fit for a jl 1000.1v? Which ohm load should I go with on the three 12's and / or 4 10's. Should the box be ported? I am pretty good at FG so I am going to make a template of the set up but unsure which would still produce a good sound while looking good for show.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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4 10's will pound but i think the 12's would travel abit more.
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dam, 3 12's or 4 10's?! If you get a good enough sub, cant one sub do everything you want and more? I'm curious as to why you prefer this route?
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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Three 12s will fit better since they would be about 36" across the back while you would need at least 40" for four 10s. I don't think you would have enough room for that unless you got creative. Choose your sub voice coil configuration (impedance, number of coils, etc.) based on what will maximize your power output for the amp you will use. Here's an article on that:

http://www.caraudiohelp.com/newslett...amplifiers.htm

And if you need a tutorial on wiring subs:

http://www.caraudiohelp.com/ohms_law/ohms_law.htm

Whether or not you will port the box depends on the sub. Some are designed for sealed and some for vented. Some will do either. It's always easier to build a sealed box.
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Well for the most part this is for show. My car is primarily show but I still want to get a good sound. No db contest but good beat none the less.

I've got a JL 1000.1v right now. I am going to hide the amp so the only thing visible will be the subs, tv and comps. I was leaning on three 12's. What would be the best bang for the buck. I am not trying to drop too much for subs but am willing to spend to get quality.


Thanks for the links caraudio. I'll read them up right now.

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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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That amp will produce the same power from 1.5 ohms to 4.0 ohms so you have some flexibility in the woofer choice.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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I think 3 x JL W1's or W3's are excellent for the money. If you are looking for cheap but decent quality subs, go with the W1's. If you are looking for excellent quality for a decent price, go with the W3's.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor`
4 10's will pound but i think the 12's would travel abit more.
Can you explain what you mean by "travel a bit more?"
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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dam, 3 12's or 4 10's?! If you get a good enough sub, cant one sub do everything you want and more? I'm curious as to why you prefer this route?
Multiple subs are typically a function of output. In this case though, either configuration would need to be sealed to maintain the optimal internal volume to prevent choking out the performance of the subs. This factor will limit the effectiveness of each driver.
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Originally Posted by Orgullo
Well for the most part this is for show. My car is primarily show but I still want to get a good sound. No db contest but good beat none the less.

I've got a JL 1000.1v right now. I am going to hide the amp so the only thing visible will be the subs, tv and comps. I was leaning on three 12's. What would be the best bang for the buck. I am not trying to drop too much for subs but am willing to spend to get quality.


Thanks for the links caraudio. I'll read them up right now.
Veiwing this as strictly an asthetic project with less emphasis on overall output and SQ, I have always been a fan of three subs. Depending on the overall design of the trunk and the layout of the components, you may want to consider cutting back to 2 12's. You will have the added benefit of porting the subs as well as some additional technical difficulty regarding the build. This option will allow you to stay within your budget and get an optimal level of output given your space requirements.

Just something to think about.
Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Ah yes, one more thing. The three twelve option has the cone advantage. 1240cm^2 with the four tens and 1440cm^2 for the three twelves. With this in mind you can make it uncomfortably loud with a pair of 12"s.
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Thanks for the input Filtor, which brand do you think would be best? I've got a deal on
w3v3's right now. Again I don't want to drop too much loot for subs but then again I don't want some junk either.

Thanks for your help man.
Old Jun 15, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by filtor1
Can you explain what you mean by "travel a bit more?"

I was wondering the same thing....
Old Jun 16, 2008 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Orgullo
Thanks for the input Filtor, which brand do you think would be best? I've got a deal on
w3v3's right now. Again I don't want to drop too much loot for subs but then again I don't want some junk either.

Thanks for your help man.
The only JL sub I have ever found to my liking was the W6. If your source can get you those and you are stuck on using JL, that is the direction I would go.
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I have 30 subs in my crx, not enough.
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Originally Posted by nismos14
I have 30 subs in my crx, not enough.
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I have 30 subs in my crx, not enough.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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I am pretty much open to any quality sub but wanted a good sound with the room that I'd have to sacrifice.

Again this is for show... so the one's who could give a **** about it then please refrain from putting some silly, negative, pointless remarks in here. I'd just like to know what quality sub to go with and would 3 or 4 be my best option.
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just stick with a bunch of low end jls... should be good enough to impress the local high school kids (and only them). stuffing a bunch of gear in a trunk is not show... its just sloppy.
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multiple subs doesn't equal sloppy if done properly.. Its more of a wow factor thing.

2 of the right subs in the right box and a good amount of power will be plenty loud, and you'll get a better bang for your buck. Once you get into 3 or 4 or more subs it starts to get expensive to 'do it right' with the correct amount of power (especially with a complex box in a trunk car). Its much easier to do lots of subs in an SUV, Id vote go with 2 good 12s. good luck
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Originally Posted by filtor1
The only JL sub I have ever found to my liking was the W6. If your source can get you those and you are stuck on using JL, that is the direction I would go.

I myself also like the W6, it's a nice sub.
Old Jun 17, 2008 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mendon99
multiple subs doesn't equal sloppy if done properly.. Its more of a wow factor thing.

2 of the right subs in the right box and a good amount of power will be plenty loud, and you'll get a better bang for your buck. Once you get into 3 or 4 or more subs it starts to get expensive to 'do it right' with the correct amount of power (especially with a complex box in a trunk car). Its much easier to do lots of subs in an SUV, Id vote go with 2 good 12s. good luck
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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dam, 3 12's or 4 10's?! If you get a good enough sub, cant one sub do everything you want and more? I'm curious as to why you prefer this route?
After hearing Dons Esotar 1200, I agree one Sub should do it.
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Originally Posted by mendon99
multiple subs doesn't equal sloppy if done properly.. Its more of a wow factor thing.
i'm not speaking in general, i'm referring to this application. i'm just going by general numbers but 4 of anything standard is looking for ~4^3'+ sealed. minimal power would still be in the 1000w range + full range amplification. i could be wrong but it seems like thats already pushing the limits of trunk capacity in its rawest form. now try to make a good looking fiberglass box and i just don't see it happening.

to me the notion that more = better is ridiculous (show or not). using what is best suitable for the application will constantly yield better results then just trying to go big for big's sake (all aspects of modifying).

but what really rubs me the wrong way is when somebody says "this is what i want so don't tell me anything but what i want to hear". if thats the case then you should be able to make your own decisions rather than force ppl to recommend something outside of their experience. don't take it personal orgullo, just explaining why i gave the kind of answer i did, and why i won't be the last.

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I recommend 8-15"s tuned to 32HZ.
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I recommend 8-15"s tuned to 32HZ.
yea. you can fit it
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F that, 32 15's in a 40 cu ft enclosure, roof mounted.
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The difference in your suggestion and mine is that I have done it, even though it was in an Astro.
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go with 4 10" the smaller the sub the tighter the bass= louder
Old Jun 23, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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go with 4 10" the smaller the sub the tighter the bass= louder
false. subwoofer size doesn't dictate how 'tight' the bass will sound.
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or how loud it will be. Wow, what a great contribution.
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Originally Posted by Bird1411
go with 4 10" the smaller the sub the tighter the bass= louder
Using this logic I should trade in my 12"s for a pair of 8"s and it will be "tighter" and louder?
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Nothing personal taken here. I was just referring to the bull**** replies that most threads get cluttered with.

I am all ears to what you guys might think would work the best. Again, this is for show and it's not for the H.S. kids. I want a good sound with the show factor in mind that doesn't take the bank.
I've been reading through these threads for a minute now and you guys are dropping some serious dough on subs, amps etc. I don't mind paying for them however I just don't have the ends to drop like that with all the other mods in the works.

Now if three subs or four won't work then so be it. I can still put out two subs and still work out a great design. Hence the reason I asked your opinion in the first place.

Besides I've got a ole skool that I can throw the " 30 subs " in.

sub recommendations???
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My persanal favorites asthetically are the AA Havocs. As soon as I get the extra cash I will be picking a pair of these up and comparing them to the Q's. I have heard them in other cars and have really enjoyed them. I can get them for you if you decide to go that route.
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How much are they running for? Any other choices? 2 12's and thanks for the insight
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Re sx 12's ported Im a fan of re and i have 1 re 15"sx running off a kx 600.1 and i gets hella loud for the amount of power im giving it nice sq my box was made by iamamp3pimp on caraudio.com ive had kicker, infinity, rockford and diamond audio subs.and I also liked my 15" d6's so diamond audio or re sx 12's.
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I personally wouldn't buy Diamond or RE. The SX is more of an spl sub.



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