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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 06:50 PM
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list common mods illegal for STS (autoX)

I just started looking in the rule books for STS class and I think I don't qualify. Please add to the list if you can.

-- y-pipe: Catback mods only
-- tires greater than 225 or rims greater than 7.5
-- SS brake lines? (flexible lines only)
Old Jul 27, 2003 | 09:35 PM
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Re: list common mods illegal for STS (autoX)

Originally posted by theMax
I just started looking in the rule books for STS class and I think I don't qualify. Please add to the list if you can.

-- y-pipe: Catback mods only
-- tires greater than 225 or rims greater than 7.5
-- SS brake lines? (flexible lines only)
y-pipe can also be called a header pipe making it legit
larger tires & rims may just bump you to STX
SS braided brake lines are legal - they're flexible as opposed to metal tubing.

There are nearly unlimited mods that are illegal. If the rules don't say you can then you can't. Locally you can probably get away with lots of stuff if others in your class agree to let you run. Maybe these can help but if you already have a rulebook you're ahead of most.

http://moutons.org/sccasolo/

http://www.sff.net/people/dburkhead/prepcompare.htm
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 07:50 AM
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Subframe connectors will bump you directly to a mod class.. Fortunately, I'm not competitive worth a crap in auto X, so they let me run in STX.... against nationals contenders running highly modded WRXs.. grrrr.
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 03:22 PM
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not to rain on your parade, but...

Maximas aren't competitive in autocrossing, so don't worry to much about whether or not you're in the right class. Just go out and have fun!

oh, STS illegal "mod" = LSD (whether it's factory installed or not)
Old Jul 28, 2003 | 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Driven EF9
not to rain on your parade, but...

Maximas aren't competitive in autocrossing, so don't worry to much about whether or not you're in the right class. Just go out and have fun!

oh, STS illegal "mod" = LSD (whether it's factory installed or not)
Maxima's aren't competitive? Last year you had 5 wins in Vegas DMod.
Patrick Michael took 7 STS wins with his 2001 Maxima. Nevermind index times

Oh, but I fully agree with the "just go out and have fun!"
Old Jul 29, 2003 | 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by BEJAY1

Maxima's aren't competitive? Last year you had 5 wins in Vegas DMod.
Patrick Michael took 7 STS wins with his 2001 Maxima. Nevermind index times

Oh, but I fully agree with the "just go out and have fun!"
I should have said,

nationally competitive.


I had 5 wins with a CRX in D-Mod (also an uncompetitive car in the class) and if I had gone to national events and ran D-Mod, i'd get my *** handed to me. .

Patrick wouldn't have won if there was a car in the class that was remotely competitive. Not to say Patrick can't drive, it's just the Maxima isn't a competitive car if you're up against a good driver in a decent car.

In our region (and i'm sure in most regions), STS is a generic class for a variety of cars... not too many people are running STS every single event.
Old Jul 29, 2003 | 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Driven EF9

Patrick wouldn't have won if there was a car in the class that was remotely competitive. Not to say Patrick can't drive, it's just the Maxima isn't a competitive car if you're up against a good driver in a decent car.

In our region (and i'm sure in most regions), STS is a generic class for a variety of cars... not too many people are running STS every single event.
You're right - against a competively prepped Honda ie Conrad it would've been very different. We'll never know this year as Patrick increased his own fun factor moving to the 350Z.

Interesting about STS turnout there that it seems a catch-all class. In Chicago a third of our STS drivers have made every event this year. Same ratio for Milwaukee (8 of 25). Maybe it's our lack of year round warm weather forcing so many front wheel type cars.
Old Jul 30, 2003 | 07:37 PM
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Would these be legal for STS/STX, or do they count as subframe connectors?

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Old Jul 30, 2003 | 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by GMT_MAX
Would these be legal for STS/STX, or do they count as subframe connectors?
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Assuming you mean the lower brace...I think it would be allowed.

17.7 "reads any anti-sway bar is permitted". 17.8.D reads "Traction Bars or torque arms may be added or replaced. Methods of attachment and attachment points are unrestricted.". 17.8.G reads "Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from...lower right to lower left suspension mounting point."

Question - Does this increase understeer?
If so then why would you want it at all? Matt and I have both removed our front anti-sway bars to help the rear rotate more.
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by BEJAY1

Assuming you mean the lower brace...I think it would be allowed.

17.7 "reads any anti-sway bar is permitted". 17.8.D reads "Traction Bars or torque arms may be added or replaced. Methods of attachment and attachment points are unrestricted.". 17.8.G reads "Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from...lower right to lower left suspension mounting point."

Question - Does this increase understeer?
If so then why would you want it at all? Matt and I have both removed our front anti-sway bars to help the rear rotate more.
It seems to me like it would be legal too, but it's hard to see from the pictures where the brace connects. It looks like it connects to the frame around where the control arms are hinged. In this case, I don't think it would increase understeer. It doesn't seem to connect where the sway bar does - if it did, then yeah, it would increase understeer and be a useless part.
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Old Aug 1, 2003 | 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by BEJAY1
Question - Does this increase understeer?
If so then why would you want it at all? Matt and I have both removed our front anti-sway bars to help the rear rotate more. [/B]
How did removing the FSB affect daily/highway driving? I've been considering removing mine, and I may have a torn bushing so that will make the decision easier.

Did you just pull the FSB and leave the endlinks hanging?
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Old Aug 1, 2003 | 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by xHypex

How did removing the FSB affect daily/highway driving? I've been considering removing mine, and I may have a torn bushing so that will make the decision easier.

Did you just pull the FSB and leave the endlinks hanging?
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Absolutely no diff on daily driving and barely noticable on hard turns to me. I'll have to look at the endlinks this weekend. My shop did it when they swapped ypipes. I did have to up my front pressures another 1-2 lbs for hard cornering because of it though.
Old Aug 6, 2003 | 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by BEJAY1

Maxima's aren't competitive? Last year you had 5 wins in Vegas DMod.
Patrick Michael took 7 STS wins with his 2001 Maxima. Nevermind index times

Oh, but I fully agree with the "just go out and have fun!"
He did but I feel that would not be replicated this year. STS is faster this year. My Maxima is a joke on autox.
Old Aug 7, 2003 | 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by Maximam

He did but I feel that would not be replicated this year. STS is faster this year. My Maxima is a joke on autox.
Gotta somewhat agree. Got my butt handed to me by Civics and Preludes last weekend at Cendiv. But some days I DO hang with them within a tenth which keeps me motivated.
Old Aug 8, 2003 | 08:10 AM
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we gotta compete against drivers like this www.willraceforfood.com check out my friend's video clip of his r32 on the autocross... tho drifting yeilds worse times, he can complete the course with no drifts and finishing the thing in a real low time.
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